TEW2010 Developer's Journal Discussion

[EricAdams]

This is really cool and hopefully opens the gates for more venues, because if you can't get Madison Square Garden you can still run Shea Stadium or something (if this was the 70s that is, I think Shea was/is baseball exclusive now).

[The Celt]

<p>This is the one of the features that might seem strange at first but actually reflexes real life. MSG is locked down by WWE, while the Arena in Philadelphia has been leased out several times first by ECW but then XPW and CZW, and maybe even PWU and 3PW. Because the venue is such a hotbed for fans its vital to have control over it for a good tri-state company. </p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arena_%28Philadelphia%29t" rel="external nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arena_%28Philadelphia%29t</a></p><p> </p><p>

One interesting problem is this: in the C-Verse each region only has one venue of each size in it...so</p><p> </p><p>

Let's say SWF controls the Big venue in the Tri-state: that would mean that if TCW ever wanted to go the tristate they'd either have to go to a smaller venue or use a venue that's way too big.</p><p> </p><p>

that or more venue might be added this year.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is the one of the features that might seem strange at first but actually reflexes real life. MSG is locked down by WWE, while the Arena in Philadelphia has been leased out several times first by ECW but then XPW and CZW, and maybe even PWU and 3PW. Because the venue is such a hotbed for fans its vital to have control over it for a good tri-state company. <p> </p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arena_%28Philadelphia%29t" rel="external nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arena_%28Philadelphia%29t</a></p><p> </p><p> One interesting problem is this: in the C-Verse each region only has one venue of each size in it...so</p><p> </p><p> Let's say SWF controls the Big venue in the Tri-state: that would mean that if TCW ever wanted to go the tristate they'd either have to go to a smaller venue or use a venue that's way too big.</p><p> </p><p> that or more venue might be added this year.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> More venue's will probably be added, I would think. I don't see the data ever being exclusive to one company in one area (there are several big cities in every region, surely they all have the capacity to hold big shows).</p>

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phil Parent" data-cite="Phil Parent" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I wonder if it will be possible to set how often you run those exclusive venues.<p> </p><p> Because yeah, Madison Square Garden is as exclusive to WWE as, say, the ECW Arena used to be exclusive to ECW. But one is ran once or twice a year and the other is ran every week.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ECW pretty much ran on a three-four week schedule at the Arena. WWF used to run MSG monthly, so it would be pretty cool to be able to add that into mods like DOTT. I would love to be able to run the Mid South Coliseum as CWA on a weekly basis <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Historian]

I think people are under-estimating the effect of this feature. Say SWF is able to lock in exclusive venues in multiple regions of the US... That keeps other companies from being able to rise up and challenge them in that particular venue. Now, if there are more venues added, it becomes less severe, but if the venue amounts stay relatively the same, it allows for one company to try to force out another... I'm very interested in seeing how this plays out... If you have to contract with a venue to say it's exclusive, and if you do have a contract, if the venue can decide to drop the exclusivity if you are not drawing well...

 

Or, if you can out bid a company. Say SWF has venues as exclusive, but I want to out-bid them on those venues, give them a better deal than what ever deal SWF has with them, it.'d be interesting to see if I can out bid them...

 

I have no idea if any of that will come into play, just merely speculating

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think people are under-estimating the effect of this feature. Say SWF is able to lock in exclusive venues in multiple regions of the US... That keeps other companies from being able to rise up and challenge them in that particular venue. Now, if there are more venues added, it becomes less severe, but if the venue amounts stay relatively the same, it allows for one company to try to force out another... I'm very interested in seeing how this plays out... If you have to contract with a venue to say it's exclusive, and if you do have a contract, if the venue can decide to drop the exclusivity if you are not drawing well...<p> </p><p> Or, if you can out bid a company. Say SWF has venues as exclusive, but I want to out-bid them on those venues, give them a better deal than what ever deal SWF has with them, it.'d be interesting to see if I can out bid them...</p><p> </p><p> I have no idea if any of that will come into play, just merely speculating</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From the way I'm reading it, that's not how it works.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As the name suggests, promotions can now have their own exclusive venues, much like WWE being the only promotion who can run MSG.<strong> Having an exclusive venue means that no other promotion can run there (unless the promotion that</strong><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> owns </span></strong><strong>the venue goes bankrupt), </strong>there is a slight increase to attendance levels when that venue is selected, and the crowd will be slightly hotter than normal.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Bolded and underlined the part I am having a difference of opinion with you on. From how it sounds to me, you can probably give certain venue's (or make) to certain promotions in the editor. These venue's are either owned, or used exclusively for that company. The bolded word there "Own", makes me believe the only way someone like SWF is going to have a Venue added in game, is to make or buy their own (however it is done). Meaning, it will be a new venue made specifically for SWF (in game), but not taking away from the rest of the gameworld.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Bassically your making your own "Hotspot" for your biggest fans (or at least closest thing to a home base).</p>

[dcxbox]

<p>on the exclusive venue deal, i think it needs to have some restrictions. 1 you need to be at least a small or regional company to be able to get an arena.</p><p> </p><p>

cost shouldn't come cheap. should have options to purchase or sign an exclusive lease deal. smaller arens should be easier to just be purchaseable. bigger only lease. large arenas like your domes and stadiums arent available.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

only one arena allowed at a time and in your region only.. owning or leasing needs to have some sort of risk factor.</p>

[LoganRodzen]

<p>I'm curious to see what venues are 'owned' by C-Verse promotions. Considering the locations in TEW08 were pretty generic I'm hoping that more are being added for TEW10. I'm going to be disappointed if this was simply added for real-world mods and C-Verse promotions don't even do this... that's just me though. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WWE's the only wrestling company allowed to use MSG? ...I was not aware of that..still pretty cool feature.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I see that coming to an end within a few years though. TNA held that press conference to introduce the signing of Hulk Hogan at MSG... so I find it hard to believe that WWE will have sole-rights to the venue for years to come. Maybe MSG just opened the doors 'cause it was Hogan, but doesn't that mean they'd open the doors to TNA doing a show there if Hogan appears? Not that I see TNA running a show at MSG anytime soon... they can barely sell out 3,000 seat arenas for house shows. I went to one last week and probably 800 people were there... but to TNA's credit it was their first show in Maine ever.</p>

[Phil Parent]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dcxbox" data-cite="dcxbox" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>on the exclusive venue deal, i think it needs to have some restrictions. 1 you need to be at least a small or regional company to be able to get an arena.<p> </p><p> cost shouldn't come cheap. should have options to purchase or sign an exclusive lease deal. smaller arens should be easier to just be purchaseable. bigger only lease. large arenas like your domes and stadiums arent available.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> only one arena allowed at a time and in your region only.. owning or leasing needs to have some sort of risk factor.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well WCW had the Georgia Dome. But I agree stadiums and domes don't give out exclusivity that easily.</p><p> </p><p> How about FMW and Kawasaki Stadium?</p>

[Reaper_ofall]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm curious to see what venues are 'owned' by C-Verse promotions. Considering the locations in TEW08 were pretty generic I'm hoping that more are being added for TEW10. I'm going to be disappointed if this was simply added for real-world mods and C-Verse promotions don't even do this... that's just me though. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, other there is one in the Piper Casino, but I have to agree in that if there is no other alteration to the data I will be somewhat disappointed, as I only really play C-Verse.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<p><strong>YES!</strong> Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! My GOD YES! Best addition so far, absolutely fantastic! I can understand why Adam (and many others) may not be a fan of this, but since I always make my own mods, I know how I want to use this feature. This broke the camel's back for me: I want to play this game now! I'm so thrilled, SO THRILLED!</p><p> </p><p>

THANK YOU, ADAM!</p>

[Gigas]

Awesome feature. If he added in chemistry, maybe the auto booker is next.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

Absolutely wonderful feature! Now historical mods can be made more accurate, and my DreamVerse can be made more accurate as well!

[Cold Cobra]

This is a great addition to the game, this way if I play an 80's WCW file I won't have to be told Flair and Steamboat "don't click".

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>YES!</strong> Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! My GOD YES! Best addition so far, absolutely fantastic! I can understand why Adam (and many others) may not be a fan of this, but since I always make my own mods, I know how I want to use this feature. This broke the camel's back for me: I want to play this game now! I'm so thrilled, SO THRILLED!<p> </p><p> THANK YOU, ADAM!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod. Hopefully Adam has underestimated the community, or at least have given us enough "Caution" as that we won't be over-utilizing this feature.</p><p> </p><p> I too will use this, but it will be for obvious reasons, not for just anyone that has ever been placed together. </p><p> </p><p> Hopefully everyone will realise that Randomness can be better with the majority (like 99%) of the mods out there. I'm not going to utilize it for something like "JeriShow" and if it appears in a mod, I will definately take it out.</p>

[FINisher]

<p><strong>#30: Forced Chemistry</strong></p><p><strong>

</strong>Uuh, a shocker of some sort for Friday. I'm not a fan of this either but I do understand the 'need' for this for mods and to people who genualy want to have it in their games. The more options, the better in the end me thinks, no matter what the subject or addition is. I'm just wondering what RW workers would really have TEW described chemistry in the end? I'm hoping just for the sake of the RW mods themselves that mod makers won't end up abusing this feature too much.</p>

[Adam Ryland]

I have opened a thread specifically for you to discussion real world chemistry so that it does not clog up this thread.

[Self]

<p>I love the displeasure Adam seemed to take in announcing this feature. As though his typing it was accompanied by mumbling obscenities under his breath.</p><p> </p><p>

Not my kinda thing, but different strokes.</p>

[LoganRodzen]

<p>I don't really like this feature because I think chemistry is something that should be random and different for every single game. I almost think that this feature is going to make real world mods unplayable because people are going to go over the top with opinionated 'chemistry'... guess it's a good thing I don't play real world mods. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love the displeasure Adam seemed to take in announcing this feature. As though his typing it was accompanied by mumbling obscenities under his breath.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I enjoyed that part of the update as well.</p>

[Adam Ryland]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love the displeasure Adam seemed to take in announcing this feature. As though his typing it was accompanied by mumbling obscenities under his breath.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I actually was, too. I can see that this is going to be the feature that has me banging my head against a brick wall regularly.</p>

[dvdWarrior]

<p>Well, on one hand, I like the feature. It'd be pretty odd to play a real world game, and find that Dean Malenko and Rey Mysterio just didn't have any chemistry at all. But on the other hand it kind of detracts from the whole point of playing TEW - the whole unknown randomness of the world.</p><p> </p><p>

What would be the point of playing a real world mod where everyone came pre-set to evolve just the way they did in real life?</p><p> </p><p>

Just seems so predictable...</p><p> </p><p>

Odd. I was hoping for a feature like this, but now that it's here, there's all these consequences and repercussions. </p><p> </p><p>

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[Donners]

I'm hoping that the Dirtsheet feature will provide a greater insight into chemistry - perhaps sufficient that modders can use that to tweak stats to create chemistry, rather than having to force it.

[shamelessposer]

It looks like I won't be playing "real world" data in 2010. I understand the demand for this feature was overwhelming, but I can count on maybe two fingers the number of real world modders who I trust to correctly use this feature and neither of them are modding anymore.

[FlameSnoopy]

I have to agree with Adam here, don't like this feature. Though, it is good for one thing, and ONE thing only. Those for life tag teams like Road Warriors (that are almost all the time together). Otherwise, not a fan of this.

[crayon]

Well, I for one will be happy to use forced chemistry in my mod, although it'll be pretty sparingly and most likely only if I come across something screwy in testing, that said.