VTial Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 It's a bit less black and white than "winning championships left and right". If anyone really remembers how Punk's ride went while he was on top, different views might crop up. Cena was built up.. like Cena. You weigh in the aspects between their overness, this is as gratifying as it gets for him[Punk]. There is no fluke factor anywhere around him right now. Back then.. save for him winning midcard titles and the MITB twice, the rest was fairly drab and you figured the casual fans would yell "fluke, fluke" around him. About the title, I agree, but again it's all about how it goes over time. If you look back months from today, and that after the Nash spat he went gunning again for the belt, things would make more sense. Even though a character can be deadly focused towards the title, it wouldn't be outlandish to have him focus on someone else who cost him, if certain aspects are weighing on his mind. You look at Punk's character, you see all he does - the pipebombs, the constant references, you see what he's about, and it'd be understandable to have someone like Nash strike home a bit more than anyone else. If someone like Miz or Ziggler cost him the title, things would be different. As for the jacknife.. maybe again thats where perception differs when you see a big man capitalize on a guy who went through a 20-minute match, but hey. All valid points but since we are pretty much just talking about Punk vs. Nash in a single promo, I don't think we need to analyze the situation in-depth and just lay it out in as simple a depiction as possible which is where I was going with the post. However before I respond, I think it's important to emphasize that when I was posting my explanation, I already said I was adding to dj's post so I was being a bit rushed with talking over the past events. What dj said should still be the strongest point as to why Nash looked off. The rest of these tidbits just add to that. The jack knife for example. I don't think our perception differs as much as the WWE has so often painted the big man as being a different and superior creature from most other wrestlers and when you have someone like Nash who has a history of backstabbing his opponents - something as straight forward as guards just makes the character weaker after he was sold as someone that could still just flat out lay out Punk. Remember when Punk won over Cena, it wasn't like he was broken down wrestler who just went through Hell in a Cell. Nash still eliminated a slightly fresh Punk. How fresh Punk was is debatable but they depicted Nash as not just an old legend but a dominating force. I think over time, it seems pretty clear that it's heading away from the title regardless of whether Punk retains the belt or not. WWE can always flip flop on their feuds but the fact is, the premise of Punk returning was to give a voice of credibility to wrestling and even though it may seem logical for Punk to pay attention to Nash right now, it only does because the title doesn't have that much of a prestige anymore. We've seen champions vs. champions, MITBs and Cena hog that thing up. If the title had prestige, which the original Punk returning pretended it to have, then this feud totally destroys whatever little face in Punk's tweener gimmick. By going after Nash-HHH, Punk pretty much made it clear without any sliver of a doubt that he's in it for himself. It's not up in the air anymore. The same will go for when he pursues the belt at a later date it will just be Punk being in it for himself and wanting the title. (If he does indeed do that because my guess is this storyline is heading into a different direction that's faction related not title belt related.) Either way, Nash adds nothing to what Punk was talking about previously. Sure maybe Punk can "reference" some Kliq things and Punk would still be over but the potential for his character is long gone and everything Nash and Punk do from here on out will only stabilize Punk's overness, not add to the potential that garnered Punk this fast boost in pops that got both Punk, Cena and the title more over than they ever were in the past few years; and Nash's lack of pops is just one of the initial signs of that downgrade shift in the interest for this feud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 One of the other things they rarely do is give the heels credibility in matches. The Monday before Summerslam, six days before becoming World Champion, ADR lost to Punk in a little over four minutes. If the guy is going to be your next champion, and he's getting the belt in six days, at least make him look competitive with the current champ by going a while. Make him look like an undeserving champion, but don't make him look like a weak one. Nobody cares about a belt held by someone like that. For me Del Rio has been booked strong (most of the time) since his arrival. He's been impressive in the ring, with a good character and I love watching him. He's one of my favourites along with Punk, Sheamus, Bryan and Christian). But that's just me. And to be honest, I'm getting sick of these mix'n'match tag matches they put on the week before and after PPVs (put these guys up against decent tag teams instead of each other). And the champions/contenders usually winning (unless there's interference) right before the PPV. Too predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Hey, when did the inside of the World Heavyweight Title start being red? I first noticed it after Christian won it, and thought it was just one of those little unique changes that a champion adds to it, but it still seems to be there now that Orton holds it again... Also; "I am certainly no Christian." ...Does he realize that he said this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Nothing says 'phoning it in' quite like a battle royal... Potentially interesting Rhodes/Orton confrontation here, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 That confrontation showed that Rhodes is the future. He really had the presence and didn't seem out of Orton's league. DiBiase had some nice mic work too. I'm loving Rhodes right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 "Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww shucky-ducky quack quack!" Pretty much sums up Booker T as a commentator, doesn't it? And yeah, Rhodes did good. Wouldn't mind seeing him challenge Orton before too long. Maybe it could be part of his campaign to restore the lineage of the Intercontinental Title, to try and hold it and the World Heavyweight Title simultaneously, to show it itself is on World Title level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Ooh, Kidd/Gabriel. Was a fine match on Superstars. I'm sure it won't be as long on TV, but should still be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 If this match isn't reason enough to bring back the CW title, nothing will be. Nice length match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 "That's what a real champion do!" I think Booker may be a bad influence on Del Rio... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 El Patron! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Teddy Long sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 What did he do to her? I never heard about anything like that. He constantly cheated on her with a variety of women when on the road with WWF. He admitted it himself. But don't tell anyone that I told you, because then VTial will come down on me for saying something about Bret Hart that is not "he is a lovable unicorn". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 If we are discussing Bret Hart, we need to talk about his gross misuse in WCW...Truely sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I want a romance thing between Natalya and Swagger, and I want long interviews from both of them.... IS that wrong of me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Cole really needs to be quiet, and new Sin Cara is so different, he seems a bit awkward, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Cole really needs to be quiet, and new Sin Cara is so different, he seems a bit awkward, He is also larger and slower, which takes away most of the Sin Cara character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Baretta and Tatsu are the first two out. I am legit shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Boy, I bet Sheamus didn't appreciate Slater doing a Rear Naked Choke on him. Ahahahaha- yeah, I shouldn't have said that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 WTH did Henry get eliminated? Damn it I read spoilers of the results, not match descriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 He wasn't, he just went under the bottom rope... did they say he was eliminated? Was posting at the time, wasn't really listening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 WTH did Henry get eliminated? Damn it I read spoilers of the results, not match descriptions. He went under the ropes, he's still in it. It's an over the top elimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 yeah after commercial they said he was still in. I had blinked for a moment and he was out of the ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Tyson Kidd was of the final five in the match... amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Tyson Kidd and DiBiase were in the final 6 fwiw. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeel1 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 My God, a crossbody on Henry actually worked! ...Sort of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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