The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[ShaunGBD]

Quiet board tonight huh

[Rone Rivendale]

<p>Hated that The Rock took up the whole first 30 minutes of the show for his b-day bs. I thought it was bad when Karen Angle took up 15 on last week's iMPACT but this was twice as long.</p><p> </p><p>

Good match from Cena/Miz and a nice run in from Kharma.</p><p> </p><p>

Still got 30 minutes left, but overall this Raw has been lacking. And its all The Rock's fault. Get his stupid ass off my tv until at least the Rumble. He is a self promoting d-bag. He isn't giving back anything to the business he claims to love. He is just taking up time that could be given to young talent.</p><p> </p><p>

Speaking of young talent, I just saw Drew McIntrye straddling Jack Swagger in their ring entrance. That is just... eww. lol</p>

[Russo]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hated that The Rock took up the whole first 30 minutes of the show for his b-day bs. I thought it was bad when Karen Angle took up 15 on last week's iMPACT but this was twice as long.<p> </p><p> Good match from Cena/Miz and a nice run in from Kharma.</p><p> </p><p> Still got 30 minutes left, but overall this Raw has been lacking. And its all The Rock's fault. Get his stupid ass off my tv until at least the Rumble. He is a self promoting d-bag. He isn't giving back anything to the business he claims to love. He is just taking up time that could be given to young talent.</p><p> </p><p> Speaking of young talent, I just saw Drew McIntrye straddling Jack Swagger in their ring entrance. That is just... eww. lol</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Rock is the best thing thats been on Raw the last 7 years</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>underwheling show but it was expected although way too much Rock party and celebirty jazz.</p><p> </p><p>

Felt good to hear Vince's music again too.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Christiaaaaaan~! Christiaaaan! At last! You're on top of the food chain!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hated that The Rock took up the whole first 30 minutes of the show for his b-day bs. I thought it was bad when Karen Angle took up 15 on last week's iMPACT but this was twice as long.<p> </p><p> Good match from Cena/Miz and a nice run in from Kharma.</p><p> </p><p> Still got 30 minutes left, but overall this Raw has been lacking. And its all The Rock's fault. Get his stupid ass off my tv until at least the Rumble. He is a self promoting d-bag. He isn't giving back anything to the business he claims to love. He is just taking up time that could be given to young talent.</p><p> </p><p> Speaking of young talent, I just saw Drew McIntrye straddling Jack Swagger in their ring entrance. That is just... eww. lol</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah.. nothing except a dream match of a lifetime. A jackload of PR for the WWE, joining them for donations to charities.. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Still doesn't change the fact I was underwhelmed by the ending though.</p>

[milamber]

Raw:

 

Miz v Cena was good. Fast and furious. I was rooting for Miz and I was 100% certain Cena would retain but I love the way they ended it.

 

I like Swagger/McIntyre as a tag team. Mason Ryan looked impressive.

 

Nice moment between Vince and Rocky.

[critical-23]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Raw:<p> </p><p> Miz v Cena was good. Fast and furious. I was rooting for Miz and I was 100% certain Cena would retain but I love the way they ended it.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>I like Swagger/McIntyre as a tag team. Mason Ryan looked impressive.</strong></p><p> </p><p> Nice moment between Vince and Rocky.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with you here. Although it was short, Mason/Kane told a good--although sloppy on Kane's part just slightly and Mason could use a little more selling (just a little)--story that shows off Mason biggest upside: his strength.</p>

[crownsy]

Glad I read the smackdown spoilers, now I know to skip it. What a joke WWE

[OctoberRaven]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Glad I read the smackdown spoilers, now I know to skip it. What a joke WWE</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh please, the only surprise is that it didn't happen on Raw.</p>

[Ajstylesfan1978]

The only top guys in the WWE in Vinces eyes are John Cena and Randy Orton.

[OctoberRaven]

<p>You're all seriouslly overreacting. This was obviously going to happen from the start. Ray Charles saw it coming.</p><p> </p><p>

No use throwing a hissy fit over WWE Creative being WWE Creative.</p>

[Astil]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're all seriouslly overreacting. This was obviously going to happen from the start. Ray Charles saw it coming.<p> </p><p> No use throwing a hissy fit over WWE Creative being WWE Creative.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Look.</p><p> </p><p> It's rather simple.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> You create a very emotional moment. That you created. You.</span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> Then, while the emotion is still fresh you take it away.</span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> What reaction is to be expected?</span></p><p> </p><p> It's complete bull on so many levels. So many. </p><p> </p><p> I am a big WWE fan. I am not really a <span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Christian</span> fan.</p><p> </p><p> It just all reeks of bad, bad, bad storytelling. Like someone didn't understand human psyche 101.</p>

[Hashasheen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're all seriouslly overreacting. This was obviously going to happen from the start. Ray Charles saw it coming.<p> </p><p> No use throwing a hissy fit over WWE Creative being WWE Creative.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's not about Orton getting another title run. It's about completely raping a beautiful moment in a man's career and for his fans. I wasn't even a Christian fan until I spent time in the last few months looking at old WWF and TNA stuff.</p>

[OctoberRaven]

<p>Oh give me a break.</p><p> </p><p>

Since you already broke the news, I'm going to talk freely about it now.</p><p> </p><p>

Christian was <strong><em>NEVER</em></strong> supposed to have the belt in the first place. And he would have NEVER been a successful long term champion for WWE. RoH, yes. TNA, maybe. Not WWE.</p><p> </p><p>

He is a great worker, yes, I'm not denying that. But he's not a guy you can make WWE-level bank with. Plain and simple.</p><p> </p><p>

He got an Iron Sheik run which is still more than guys like Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts ever got. Countless talented workers never even get to be in a major promotion like WWE.</p><p> </p><p>

You can't be happy that he got this recognition even if it was only for a week?</p>

[Astil]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh give me a break.<p> </p><p> Here there be spoilers</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're taking this like I'm a <span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Christian</span> fan.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not.</p>

[ShaunGBD]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh give me a break.<p> </p><p> Since you already broke the news, I'm going to talk freely about it now.</p><p> </p><p> Christian was <strong><em>NEVER</em></strong> supposed to have the belt in the first place. And he would have NEVER been a successful long term champion for WWE. RoH, yes. TNA, maybe. Not WWE.</p><p> </p><p> He is a great worker, yes, I'm not denying that. But he's not a guy you can make WWE-level bank with. Plain and simple.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Here the thing. Try it out. Give him a shot. Maybe it works maybe it doesn't. But you can at least try it. O well it's WWE</p>

[OctoberRaven]

<p>So you're surprised about who won?</p><p> </p><p>

...Come on. THAT was obvious as soon as the Draft ended.</p>

[Hashasheen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh give me a break.<p> </p><p> Since you already broke the news, I'm going to talk freely about it now.</p><p> </p><p> Christian was <strong><em>NEVER</em></strong> supposed to have the belt in the first place. And he would have NEVER been a successful long term champion for WWE. RoH, yes. TNA, maybe. Not WWE.</p><p> </p><p> He is a great worker, yes, I'm not denying that. But he's not a guy you can make WWE-level bank with. Plain and simple.</p><p> </p><p> He got an Iron Sheik run which is still more than guys like Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts ever got. Countless talented workers never even get to be in a major promotion like WWE.</p><p> </p><p> You can't be happy that he got this recognition even if it was only for a week?</p></div></blockquote><p> ... What Shaun said.</p>

[The Final Countdown]

<p>Guess there's not much point in me avoiding talking about the spoiler, since the cat is already out of the bag...</p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh give me a break.<p> </p><p> Since you already broke the news, I'm going to talk freely about it now.</p><p> </p><p> Christian was <strong><em>NEVER</em></strong> supposed to have the belt in the first place. And he would have NEVER been a successful long term champion for WWE. RoH, yes. TNA, maybe. Not WWE.</p><p> </p><p> He is a great worker, yes, I'm not denying that. But he's not a guy you can make WWE-level bank with. Plain and simple.</p><p> </p><p> He got an Iron Sheik run which is still more than guys like Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts ever got. Countless talented workers never even get to be in a major promotion like WWE.</p><p> </p><p> You can't be happy that he got this recognition even if it was only for a week?</p></div></blockquote><p> I expected this to be a short, transitional reign (though not THIS short.) But do you really think Christian having the belt for a month or two would have led to an appreciable decline in WWE's bottom line? This post makes it sound like you do, and personally, I don't buy it at all. People weren't going to tune out in droves, or refuse to buy tickets, because Christian was the World champion. It's all about the strength of the WWE brand these days.</p>

[Mr Rager]

<p>Wow. I shouldn't be shocked given that this is WWE, but I am.</p><p> </p><p>

Isn't Over The Limit in like, three weeks? I don't understand why this had to happen so soon.</p>

[Astil]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So you're surprised about who won?<p> </p><p> ...Come on. THAT was obvious as soon as the Draft ended.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No. I'm upset that the writers wouldn't know how to write if you handed them a six year education at Harvard in Creative Writing and let them pick the brains of Twain, Shakespeare and Homer whenever they got a writer's slump.</p><p> </p><p> Creative Writing 101. Natural progression. Ebb and flow. Rising action, climax falling action. You don't climax in the falling action. It ****s with the reader's (or viewer's) emotions, taking what was a great positive moment into what is a negative moment.</p><p> </p><p> Which admittedly can be fantastic storytelling ... <strong>if there is a heel involved at all.</strong> Now you have this negative emotion. This feeling of robbery and unfairness (check out the Long promo prior to set that mood). You set the emotion of a guy who finally made it, only to turn that around. </p><p> </p><p> <strong>But there is no heel to take the heat.</strong></p>

[OctoberRaven]

<p>Now THAT makes sense, I can agree with that. Problem is WWE marks will cheer Orton even if he kicks their puppy so Creative just won't turn him heel even though well... his character IS a heel.</p><p> </p><p>

But really, Orton was going to hold the belt, so it would have made a lot more sense if ADR won at Extreme Rules and not Christian. Not to mention that ADR's momentum is completely shot to hell and he's back to square one.</p>

[Astil]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Now THAT makes sense, I can agree with that. Problem is WWE marks will cheer Orton even if he kicks their puppy so Creative just won't turn him heel even though well... his character IS a heel.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh it's true, it's true... <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:(<img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[OctoberRaven]

Well, at least there's always CHIKARA, where the puppy kicking heels are heels.

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> But really, Orton was going to hold the belt, so it would have made a lot more sense if ADR won at Extreme Rules and not Christian. Not to mention that ADR's momentum is completely shot to hell and he's back to square one.</p></div></blockquote><p> I completely agree with this. I thought it was a mistake not to have ADR beat Edge at Mania (and I'm not just saying that in hindsight after Edge's retirement; I felt that way when it happened.)</p>