TEW 2009 Diary of the year discussion

mistaken · December 10, 2009

Below are the categories from last year.

I know some people say the more the merrier, (they are not the ones modding the awards ) are these the right awards? are there some we should add, some we should take out?

things will change a little this year, as I am going to do all of this by polls, embeded in one fat daddy thread.

As well, when we get to nominations, except for the top 3 categoreis (doty rw, doty cv, writer oty) you are welcomed and encouraged to nominate yourself along with links to appropriate parts of your diary. That way if we all forgot that awesome PPV last January, you are not left feeling like you never stood a chance against all those shows from October.

Questions, Comments and Concerns are welcome.

Real World Diary of the Year

Any diary outside of the C-Verse that you think is the best in the category.

Cornellverse Diary of the Year

Any diary in the C-Verse that you think is the best in the category.

Writer of the Year

Which writer put in the best effort this year? (Must be nominated in at least one other category)

Show of the Year

The best card of the year, PPV, TV, Live Event... Whatever.

Indy Diary of the Year

Best diary about a non-national (or higher) promotion

Most Compelling Character

Who you think is, overall, the best character this year.

Best Promos

Which dynasty consistently has the best promos.

Best Match Write-Ups

Which dynasty has the best written up matches.

Match of the Year

Which match captured your attention the most this year?

Feud of the Year

Which feud captured your imagination the best this year?

Best Gimmick Match(Gold Only)

Which new match concept did you think was best?

Best Presentation(Gold Only)

Which diary made best use of graphics, video or websites?

Best Utilized Roster(Gold Only)

Did anyone use their roster well, regardless of it's faults?

Best New Writer(Gold Only)

Which writer that debuted this year do you think was best?

Manager of the Year(Gold Only)

Which manager earned his/her paycheck this year?

Most Hated Wrestler(Gold Only)

Which heel really got your blood boiling this year?

Most Popular Wrestler(Gold Only)

Which face could you not help but cheer?

Rocky Maivia Award

Which wrestler couldn't you care less about IRL, but really enjoy in this dynasty?

Tag Team of the Year

Which tag team was your favourite this year?

Stable of the Year(Gold Only)

Which group, stable or team of more than two was your favourite this year?

Best Kayfabe-Breaking Segments

Who's backstage antics with the boss did you like best? Or who had the best internet reports?

[thread=38345]link to last years noms[/thread]

totti · December 10, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tigerkinney" data-cite="Tigerkinney" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In my view, this is what the categories should be, the next time one of these is set up..... Categories that should stay/Adjusted categories Cornellverse Diary of the Year Real World Diary of the Year Writer of the Year Show of the Year Most Compelling Wrestler Most Compelling Tag Team or Stable. Most Compelling Non Wrestler - This would cover Manager of the Year but also things like commentators and authority figures. Best Promos Best Match Write Ups Feud of the Year Best Presentation- Borderline, but I think it should stay as it rewards those who go that little extra mile in the presentation of their diary. Best New Writer Best Kayfabe Breaking Segments- I actually like this category, because as with the presentation category it's given recognition to those who put alot of effort into that part of their diary. If Match write-up's should get recognition, then so should this category and this is coming from someone who's strength of their diaries is their Match Write-Ups (or so I'm led to believe !) and not the backstage segments. Best Mod- Personally one I'm not that bothered about if it stays or not, as I tend to just stick to the original Cornellverse. But I recognise that it should be there, as those who have made mods have put alot of effort into them and there are plenty of TEW connoisseurs who do prefer other mods over the database the game came with. That's 14 all together, which would be alot more manageable than the 24 we currently have. What should go: Indy Diary of the Year Match of the Year- I think any category where people have to go back and read individual segments should be scrapped, they just don't know where to start or have the time. Best Gimmick Match Best Utilized Roster Manager of the Year -Swallowed up into Most compelling Non wrestler Most Hated Wrestler - Covered by most compelling Wrestler Most Popular Wrestler - Same as above Rocky Maivia Award Tag Team of the Year - Covered by most compelling Tag Team or stable Stable of the Year - Same as above </div></blockquote> I thought I would quote this is the thread because I feel the awards that Tigerkinney suggested last year are spot on. I think fourteen awards will recieve a lot more votes than into the twentys.

James Casey · December 10, 2009

The only thing I can think of to cut the number of categories is to combine Most Compelling/Popular/Hated awards into a single category. Compelling can include non-wrestlers (more the Rips and Richards than the Bombshell or Guru, I'd wager) but generally it might tidy things up a bit.

Also, right now we have 'kayfabe' awards (IE, what an Apter mag might give out) mixed in with writer awards. Maybe something as simple splitting the awards down the middle so you have separate sections for writers (eg Self for X, Y, Z) and characters (Edd Stone for A, B, C) could make it easier to cope with.

So, it might look something like:

RW Diary

CV Diary

Writer of the Year

Indy Diary of the Year

Best Promos

Best Match Write-Ups

Best Presentation

Best New Writer

Best Kayfabe-Breaking Segments

Best Utilized Roster

Best Gimmick Match (these two could fit into either kayfabe or writer categories)

Wrester of the Year

Show of the Year

Match of the Year

Feud of the Year

Non-wrestler of the Year (managers, owners, authority figures etc.)

Rocky Maivia Award

Tag Team of the Year

Stable of the Year

Just some thoughts.

Bigpapa42 · December 10, 2009

I definitely see the downside to having too many categories. But some of those "lesser" categories are still fun. So maybe have three "levels" of awards, with three voting polls. One for the main three, one for the big ten, and one for the lesser ten. That way readers can simply avoid the polls they don't care about....?

Self · December 10, 2009

"Best User Character" could be an interesting one. Judging how folks how incorporated an outside force into the gameworld. EDIT: Although for the most part it would be similar to "Best Kayfabe-Breaking Segments".

On the whole, I like the categories. You could cut the one Tigerkinney suggested without much fuss though.

DreamGoddessLindsey · December 10, 2009

Why limit this to only the CornellVerse and the Real World?

All diaries should be allowed a chance at awards in my opinion. Stuff from diaries that don't fall into either of those. Maybe split it by best real world and best fictional world stuff instead of just the CornellVerse.

mistaken · December 10, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why limit this to only the CornellVerse and the Real World? All diaries should be allowed a chance at awards in my opinion. Stuff from diaries that don't fall into either of those. Maybe split it by best real world and best fictional world stuff instead of just the CornellVerse.</div></blockquote> though I like Jame's suggestion, all awards will continue to be open to all diaries. the only place this is not true. is big three Diary of the year, DOTY RW, DOTY CV. I think you could argue D_W_W should get writer of the year for his work on Marvel diary. (hey where's our update. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />)

Self · December 10, 2009

The trouble with lumping all fictional stuff in with the C-Verse is... well... I'll use d_w_w's Marvel diary as an example. There are folks here who don't like the C-Verse. They usually only read Real World, but seeing as they know the Marvel characters, they also may be willing to give that a try. So when you get to voting, and they look at a decision between 7 C-Verse diaries and a Marvel one, they'll automatically go for the Marvel one. As opposed to a pure C-Verse category, where they just won't bother voting. Which is preferable.

Plus, the C-Verse category is likely gonna be stacked.

Other than a third category, "Miscellaneous Diary of the Year", it's a tricky one. Those kind of projects are all still able to win Best Character/Best Promos/Best Match Write Ups etc. So it's not like freak projects are left out in the cold entirely.

keefmoon · December 11, 2009

I've said for the last two years that I wanted the Rocky Maivia award done away with as I've never been a fan of it. It seems like a really weird award to have. Aside from that I'm not too worried, although I agree the fewer categories the better.

As for Self's point, I can see what you are saying, but I don't think it'll be a huge issue. I don't think you'll see many people vote for the Marvel diary just because it is real world and they don't read C-Verse. If people like it, they'll vote for it regardless of the category. You could say that if it is in real world that some people don't like real world because they don't like knowing what the characters are like in a wrestling enivronment and like to see a fictional background. Therefore, theoretically they would vote for Marvel (as it's not a pre-existing wrestling company because they don't like RW. I don't think it'll be an issue. Like I say, if people like it, they'll vote for it, and not just because of the category.

And again, it's a fair point about them not being in the cold entirely, but to me it seems unfair that they can't win a DOTY award because they don't fit in to either category.

angeldelayette · December 11, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="keefmoon" data-cite="keefmoon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've said for the last two years that I wanted the Rocky Maivia award done away with as I've never been a fan of it. It seems like a really weird award to have. Aside from that I'm not too worried, although I agree the fewer categories the better.</div></blockquote> Yeah but the Rocky Maivia award is the only one I might have an opportunity to win because of my use of Anger! lol.

Eisen-verse · December 11, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The only thing I can think of to cut the number of categories is to combine Most Compelling/Popular/Hated awards into a single category. Compelling can include non-wrestlers (more the Rips and Richards than the Bombshell or Guru, I'd wager) but generally it might tidy things up a bit. Also, right now we have 'kayfabe' awards (IE, what an Apter mag might give out) mixed in with writer awards. Maybe something as simple splitting the awards down the middle so you have separate sections for writers (eg Self for X, Y, Z) and characters (Edd Stone for A, B, C) could make it easier to cope with. So, it might look something like: RW Diary CV Diary Writer of the Year Indy Diary of the Year Best Promos Best Match Write-Ups Best Presentation Best New Writer Best Kayfabe-Breaking Segments Best Utilized Roster Best Gimmick Match (these two could fit into either kayfabe or writer categories) Wrester of the Year Show of the Year Match of the Year Feud of the Year Non-wrestler of the Year (managers, owners, authority figures etc.) Rocky Maivia Award Tag Team of the Year Stable of the Year Just some thoughts.</div></blockquote> I like the way James Casey lays it out! <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> If there were any to eliminate I could see the "Rocky Miavia" one getting let go. Not that's bad for any reason, I can just see why people may not like it. Also, I do like the best "User Character" award that someone brought up. Why? Sometimes that's what sets dynasties apart when the user character is something unique in itself. That's all. ... Descends back into his cave ... <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Phantom Stranger · December 11, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="keefmoon" data-cite="keefmoon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> As for Self's point, I can see what you are saying, but I don't think it'll be a huge issue. I don't think you'll see many people vote for the Marvel diary just because it is real world and they don't read C-Verse. </div></blockquote> I don't think that's what he's saying, actually. At the moment, readers and potential voters divide easily enough into three pools: - Only reads Real World - Only reads C-Verse - Reads from everywhere At present, pool A and pool B simply don't vote in the other category. If, however, there is one diary they follow - because it's something different, say, Marvel (or arguably Destined To Fail) - that is placed in the other category for nominations, then they'll cast their votes for it and an entire pool, A or B, will really skew the voting.

tristram · December 11, 2009

I'm either for:

A split in the most important categories

Or keeping the categories - while I don't like the wording of the Rocky Maivia award, I understand that essentially its an award that says you took a RW or CV performer that no one really had time for and turned them into something. That to me is a strong award. I see there's some mention of combining the tag team/stable awards, but to me they're very separate.

In terms of polls, I would hope they were private polls, meaning you couldn't see the results. Its a bit like an election, when you vote you don't know which percentage you're going for, rather you're going for a particular philosophy. But I reckon results were trend out completely differently if you knew the real time results, because a lot of different psychological biases come into play.

I'm not really one who is that into awards for some reason or another, but I do like variety.

ampulator · December 11, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>At the moment, readers and potential voters divide easily enough into three pools: - Only reads Real World - Only reads C-Verse - Reads from everywhere At present, pool A and pool B simply don't vote in the other category. If, however, there is one diary they follow - because it's something different, say, Marvel (or arguably Destined To Fail) - that is placed in the other category for nominations, then they'll cast their votes for it and an entire pool, A or B, will really skew the voting.</div></blockquote> Honestly, I used to be "A", but now am "B".

DreamGoddessLindsey · December 11, 2009

I'd just like my DreamVerse diary to be eligible to be honest. I think I'd be in the running for Best New Writer and Most Hated Wrestler (Anubis).

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If I had more time, I could do well enough for other awards, but I did not start mine until just recently, so I do not believe I would be deserving. I would have to get to A Night To Remember before the end of the year, and since that takes place on Sunday Week 4 December, there is no chance of me getting there by the end of 2009.

Self · December 11, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd just like my DreamVerse diary to be eligible to be honest. I think I'd be in the running for Best New Writer and Most Hated Wrestler (Anubis).</div></blockquote> As far as I understand, you are absolutely eligible for those awards. It's only "C-Verse Diary of the Year" and "Real World Diary of the Year" that you can't win. @ keefmoon. You're probably right that it wouldn't be a big issue. I'm just wary about lumping wacky projects in with strong, pre-exisiting, defined catagories. I'd much prefer a 3rd catagory be created. I would accept nominations to all of the catagories, but if, for example, the field for 'Most Compelling Stable/Tag Team' looked identical to 'Tag Team of the Year' or 'Stable of the Year', THEN you merge the catagories.

Eisen-verse · December 11, 2009

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="tristram" data-cite="tristram" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25433" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In terms of polls, I would hope they were private polls, meaning you couldn't see the results. Its a bit like an election, when you vote you don't know which percentage you're going for, rather you're going for a particular philosophy. But I reckon results were trend out completely differently if you knew the real time results, because a lot of different psychological biases come into play.</div></blockquote> I agree 100% with tristram. The voting process would be far more telling if it were done "blindly" (in the sense that no one else could see your vote). This way some are not pressured to vote for something that maybe they wouldn't have before (however, have a sense of pressure to go along with the status quo) or it also cuts down on those who vote for one because it's in the lead; or one that's coming up on the leader. As tristram said, In political voting... You have no idea who is ahead of who really as you cast your vote... You just do so hoping that you're selection ends up winning! That being said, It would be great to see this voting process follow suit. That way we can end up with a wide range of decisions and will have a more confidential process.

BHK1978 · December 11, 2009

I agree 100% with tristram.

The voting process would be far more telling if it were done "blindly" (in the sense that no one else could see your vote). This way some are not pressured to vote for something that maybe they wouldn't have before (however, have a sense of pressure to go along with the status quo) or it also cuts down on those who vote for one because it's in the lead; or one that's coming up on the leader.

As tristram said, In political voting... You have no idea who is ahead of who really as you cast your vote... You just do so hoping that you're selection ends up winning! That being said, It would be great to see this voting process follow suit. That way we can end up with a wide range of decisions and will have a more confidential process.

Yeah I also think that this would be the best step. Like Eisen said, people would be far less likely to blindly vote for others just because everybody else votes for them. I think on here there tends to be people who will get votes no matter what they put out (and that is understandable because they have earned that respect) but if it is a blind vote that may not be the case.

mistaken · December 12, 2009

The Big 5:

The awards that recognize the best of the best

(remember Diary of the year comes from winner of the match between RW & CV)

Real World Diary of the Year - in, by nomination only

Any diary outside of the C-Verse that you think is the best in the category.

Cornellverse Diary of the Year - in, by nomination only

Any diary in the C-Verse that you think is the best in the category.

Independent Diary of the Year Proposed changed, by nomination only

Best diary about a non-national (or higher) or Non traditional promotion. (This category would include all non CV or RW mod diaries, along with any diary running running non nation with in the CV seem fair?)

Writer of the Year - in, by nomination only

Which writer put in the best effort this year? (Must be nominated in at least one other category)

The Worker Awards:

Recognize the characterizations that brought the workers to life

Most Compelling Wrestler proposed change, nomination or self proposal

Who was the most compelling athlete of the year, joins Hated & Popular into one category

Tag Team or Stable of the Year proposed change, nomination or self proposal

Which tag team or Stable was your favorite this year?

Most Compelling Non Wrestler Proposed change, nomination or self proposal

Which manager earned his/her paycheck this year?

Rocky Maivia Award in, nomination or self proposal

Which wrestler couldn't you care less about IRL, but really enjoy in this dynasty?

Match of the Year in, nomination or self proposal

Which match captured your attention the most this year?

Feud of the Year in, nomination or self proposal

Which feud captured your imagination the best this year?

The Writing awards

Diaries don't have that spark with out certain moments that just stand out from the rest, these awards recognize those moments.

Best New Writer in, nomination or self proposal

Which writer that debuted this year do you think was best?

Show of the Year - in, nomination or self proposal

The best card of the year, PPV, TV, Live Event... Whatever.

Best Promos - in, nomination or self proposal

Which dynasty consistently has the best promos.

Best Match Write-Ups in, nomination or self proposal

Which dynasty has the best written up matches.

Best Presentation in, nomination or self proposal

Which diary made best use of graphics, video or websites?

Best Kayfabe-Breaking Segments

Who's backstage antics with the boss did you like best? Or who had the best internet reports?

Take a look at the proposal and feel free to respond. I would like to start nominations on Monday. with voting going up some time around new year.

mistaken · December 12, 2009

In terms of polls, I would hope they were private polls, meaning you couldn't see the results. Its a bit like an election, when you vote you don't know which percentage you're going for, rather you're going for a particular philosophy. But I reckon results were trend out completely differently if you knew the real time results, because a lot of different psychological biases come into play.

I agree.

Problem is I think with the way the current ballot system, only about 30 people vote. in a good month 60+ vote for CV diary of the month.

there is a time investment in the silent ballot system that there seems a reluctance to trust.

if, there were a way to run these polls, and not have them show the results until voting had finished, that would be the best yet.

I really do want to balance ease of access with most honest outcome.

Self · December 12, 2009

SurveyMonkey is great. When setting up voting for my diary's own awards do, I got a ton of replies by setting up a simple survey. Way more than my estimated fanbase. foolinc can probably back me up on this. His diary got far more replies than a typical start-up, and I figure a good portion of the credit goes to his use of surveys.

SurveyMonkey.com. Look into it.

tristram · December 13, 2009

I would definitely NOT combine tag team and stable awards. To me they are two very separate enterprises. You can have a great tag team that's not part of a stable or a great stable that has no tag teams.

G-Prime · December 13, 2009

I'm with tris on this one, Tag Team and Stable should be kept apart.

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