The Celt Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/125893/ROH-News:-ROH-Developmental,-Talent-and-Matched-Announced-For-The-Weekend-TV-Tapings,-More.htm Ring of Honor, whom most of us would see as being Cult sized by TEW standards, have just announced the opening of a developmental fed, Pro Wrestling RESPECT, to be run by Ring of Honor School Trainer and RoH Star Delirious. Debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Orange Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 TEW, by game terms, would rank ROH cult. or maybe high regional, it's a blurry line. I real life, they are just a company, not forced to be a Cult company that can't do certain things. Maybe cult companies should be able to offer developmental deals, but for me this does not change the game in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamelessposer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 It reads to me less like a developmental promotion and more like an extension of the training school. Lots of wrestlers who wouldn't yet count as "debuted" by TEW standards will still wrestle in front of the occasional live crowd before their training is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 Pro Wrestling RESPECT has many, many roster members who have already debuted for Ring of Honor, including Ricky Reyes, Shane Hagadorn, Daizee Haze, MsChif, Alex Payne, Grizzly Redwood, "Dirty" Ernie Orisis, Pelle Primeau and "Addicted to Love" Rhett Titus. Infact the majority of the roster have been wrestling for "name" promotions for a small bit. Thus, PWR would seem to be a legit developmental by TEW Standards. Continue debate on updated information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxxHexx Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 My opinion with TEW has always been that any company should be able to have a developmental. Look at many of the local feds in your area, I bet there is at least two schools in your general proximity, I have three school within an hour from my house but outside of MN none of those companies have any popularity and would be called local. In the world, non-nationals have these developmentals. The key thing is A) that in the game a developmental is a financial burden and if in the game would need to be a risk for a small company, and B) that the smaller the parent company, the slower guys will develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Ring of Honor, whom most of us would see as being Cult sized by TEW standards, Since when have "most of you" considered ROH a Cult-sized promotion? I wouldn't say they're even close to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Look at many of the local feds in your area, I bet there is at least two schools in your general proximity, I have three school within an hour from my house but outside of MN none of those companies have any popularity and would be called local. In the world, non-nationals have these developmentals. What do those schools have to do with this? They're not development territories, they're schools - two separate things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Celt Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 Youch, Ryland burns ROH. Although I'm interested what he's makes of them having a developmental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Although I'm interested what he's makes of them having a developmental. I don't think they do have a development; nothing in the article you linked to suggests that it's going to be an actual promotion - it just appears to be occasional spot shows using ROH talent. It doesn't look like they're going to run a regular schedule, have people being called up, or have separate storylines or continuity....therefore I don't think they even qualify as a TEW promotion. It sounds more like it's just regular "dojo training" done in front of the public with some regular wrestlers on the card to draw a crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Chono Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I don't think they do have a development; nothing in the article you linked to suggests that it's going to be an actual promotion - it just appears to be occasional spot shows using ROH talent. It doesn't look like they're going to run a regular schedule, have people being called up, or have separate storylines or continuity....therefore I don't think they even qualify as a TEW promotion. It sounds more like it's just regular "dojo training" done in front of the public with some regular wrestlers on the card to draw a crowd. To me this feels a lot like Kensuke Office. They're not really a real promotion, but a booking agency for Kensuke Sasaki and his students. They run a show every now and then with a person from NOAH usually in the main event. They don't have their own title belts, nor do they really attempt to be taken seriously. It's more of a, "Kensuke Sasaki presents an indy show" type deal. Realistically in TEW terms, Sasaki wouldn't refuse negotiations with NOAH because he's loyal to his booking agency. But yeah, this is basically how I view "respect". It's just "American Independent Show" that uses the same talents every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Youch, Ryland burns ROH.. If their attendance figures can be considered indicative of their popularity, he's probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamelessposer Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Youch, Ryland burns ROH. He's being realistic. The only Cultish thing Ring of Honor ever did was fail to support a pay-per-view deal. They have no national presence, have never sold out a big arena, and are a non-factor to anyone who isn't part of the Internet Wrestling Community. This isn't an indictment of ROH so much as a proper appraisal of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 There is no way roh is "cult" in my view......they are regional without question in my mind. I hear people say well what about FIP.......two diffrent companys that were owned operated by the same person who shared some talent. but all of that is way off topic lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 He's being realistic. The only Cultish thing Ring of Honor ever did was fail to support a pay-per-view deal. They have no national presence, have never sold out a big arena, and are a non-factor to anyone who isn't part of the Internet Wrestling Community. This isn't an indictment of ROH so much as a proper appraisal of the facts. What's their TV deal like? I only watch it online, so have no idea what kind of coverage they've got. Is is National? Is HDNet in many homes? Not arguing for or against, just curious. I figured National TV was one of those things you get when you hit Cult, so (without doing research) I would have said Cult, with popularity heavily weighted towards wherever they actually run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 HD Net is a speciality channel, so while its technically available nationally, its not actually seen in that many homes. Kind of a unique situation. As for the ROH "development territory", its tough to say whether that's what it is yet. Like Adam points out, the article doesn't confirm that it will be an actual promotion of its own. With a regular schedule, regular roster, storylines, titles, etc. But even if it was a full promotion of its own, I don't think the game should be changed based on it. The reality is that there will always be some "exceptions". The actual ROH promotion isn't governed by a set of "rules" the way that promotions in the games are... but promotions in the game have to be. If the rules were taken out or amended every time an exception happens, then the game likely couldn't function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 The school of ROH decides to put on shows in school gyms and people call it a dev terratory? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Lyrium Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I see PW:R, as people have said, as more like FIP than a 'development promotion' in TEW terms. Just a promotion run by the people behind RoH, starring many (most...) of RoH's regular talent, but without RoH's name attached formally. More like a B-show/brand than a development territory. Self: American TV stations always confuse me, but I'm pretty sure HDNet is roughly equivalent to 'MUTV' or those sorts of channels, where you have to pay seperately to get just that one channel (and from what I gather it's a fairly broad-spectrum channel, just happens to show MMA/wrestling in the evenings. So pretty similar to Sky One in terms of programming I imagine. Would YOU pay seperately just for Sky One? ¬_¬). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I would consider ROH to be Regional in TEW terms. I also think that the way Dojos are going to be handled in TEW10 is what this ROH 'development' - practically a school - will do. They will have the first shot at signing talent from the 'school' or Dojo. That's all that news article looks like to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Killian Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I always saw HDNet as like Sentanta in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Self: American TV stations always confuse me, but I'm pretty sure HDNet is roughly equivalent to 'MUTV' or those sorts of channels, where you have to pay seperately to get just that one channel (and from what I gather it's a fairly broad-spectrum channel, just happens to show MMA/wrestling in the evenings. So pretty similar to Sky One in terms of programming I imagine. Would YOU pay seperately just for Sky One? ¬_¬). Yeah, its a speciality channel that has to be specifically ordered (some providers have it as part of upper-level packages). Its technically general in its focus, yet its really not. ROH is the only wrestling it featues, though it does have a lot of MMA. It does have some other sports (MLS, UFL), though they are nowhere near the focus that MMA is. It has a fair amount of concerts, movies, and some travel shows. Not that much else. Its an odd channel. Worth it if it you like MMA, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthsiddus2 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 this "territory" according to TEW terms is exactly that. its a dojo. its just a slightly advanced training center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdWarrior Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Either way, pwRespect is an interesting concept. Wonder how a Cult-level promotion would do with a development promotion in TEW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOnu Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Either way, pwRespect is an interesting concept. Wonder how a Cult-level promotion would do with a development promotion in TEW? In TEW08, it doesn't run well. You can only send people in your dev promotion that are on written contract, but you can't offer those yet. I learned it the hard way when, for the sake of trying something new, merged NOTBPW and CGC, rebranded them CFW (cult on the verge on being national; mix of both products) and sent the lower guys in their brand new dev promotion, the Stone Institute. It looked great on paper, but not such in the execution, it ended up as just another race to national before you lose all your top guys. As for TEW2010... we will have to test it ourselves in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Cowboy Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yeah, its a speciality channel that has to be specifically ordered (some providers have it as part of upper-level packages). Its technically general in its focus, yet its really not. ROH is the only wrestling it featues, though it does have a lot of MMA. It does have some other sports (MLS, UFL), though they are nowhere near the focus that MMA is. It has a fair amount of concerts, movies, and some travel shows. Not that much else. Its an odd channel. Worth it if it you like MMA, definitely. We get HDNet included free with our Verizon FiOS TV subscription here in New Jersey, although I seem to miss ROH every time. Is it HDNet that also has a block of like 6 straight hours of WWE on Saturdays (basically replaying the last week)? Or am I thinking of another channel? I do have to pay for channels like Setanta, and sometimes channels will give you the regular version for free and force you to buy a subscription to the HD channel (like MLB Network does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Wait, doesn't all a promotion have to do to qualify as "cult" is have some presence in two regions? I'm not saying ROH has a national presence, but they are on TV, and they do work the Tri-State and Great Lakes area, and have at least occasionally made appearances in other parts of the country. Are they the size of DAVE or USPW? No, but to me they still meet the minimum qualifications of being a "cult" promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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