The new TNA plus TEW locker room =????

[davebiggs]

After last night in Tna, with all the "new names" coming how will TEW view the locker room. I mean you have Hogan, nash, hall, waltman, flair, bischoff, the nasty boys, Jeff hardy, Scott stiner, and may others. To me I think WCW 2.0 is doomed with that poisonous of a locker room. With the new locker room feature in TEW will you even get though a month of game time before that powder keg goes off? I can't stand TNA but I know I look forward to giving it a try in TEW 2010.

[Moe Hunter]

Incidentally, I think January 2010 is a perfect setting for any RW modern day mod. It's like the rash of "1997 Screwjob" and "2001 Invasion" mods... really solid setting, lots of potential excitement abound. Playing as TNA or WWE would be a lot of fun with a well balanced and "accurate" data set.

[Tempest Kane]

Its a bonus feature for demo players to succesfuly play out the doom of TNA within the alotted month, TNA has simply provided you with the tools to do so

[Donners]

Perhaps with the next version of TEW, you can book segments with midgets and exploit the deaths of your workers, gradually eroding the fanbase of not just your company, but the business in general.

[davebiggs]

Can't wait to drug test the whole roster, Rvd and Ken Anderson (mr.kennedy) are both set to debut soon this should be fun.

[King Chono]

Realistically though the Nasty Boys, Waltman, Hall, and Hardy are all there on short term contracts. Hall and Waltman are also under the added bonus of if they screw up they're gone, no second chances or excuses. Bischoff has never been a negative influence on the locker room, if anything he boosts morale with his confidence, much like Vince McMahon. Nash has been in TNA for quite a while and half the TNAmark X-Division favourites are good friends with them and have stated he's helped them out(MCMG included).

 

I think you're looking at this under the understanding that people don't change, or that re-told history is always accurate. When hearing scrutiny on the nWo members in WCW, who is the bitching always by? It's by a few random undercarders who weren't even over or talented(With the exception of Jericho). Jeff Hardy on the other hand I could see being a negative influence, because he'll come in with a really good contract(Probably better than all the native talent), work less dates, and not even put 30% into his work.. Kurt Angle would also be someone who's a negative influence, because he's trying to protect his spot. Steiner has jobbed to everyone on the roster, and nobody else you listed even has a "spot" because they're mostly retired.

 

Anyhow I also feel TNA even in a poorly made mod where people are the same as they were in 1996, has enough good influences to counter balance. Guys like Sting and Mick Foley surely have positive influences. I think by this stage Nash and Jarrett no longer have the desire to keep their spots, and are much more relaxed in terms of helping others succeed. Taz and Mike Tenay would probably be "well respected locker room leaders" too.

 

But yeah, I don't think TNA is anywhere near a point where in TEW terms they'd implode within a month. I also don't think Hogan will be anywhere near as bad as a booker or an owner as people in mods would dictate either, but that's a different discussion. Either way this topic seems like it's more related to taking shots at TNA than discussing a feature in TEW.

[Donners]

King Chono, you are my new favourite member. That's the most sensible, insightful and fair post I've seen in a while.

[davebiggs]

Either way this topic seems like it's more related to taking shots at TNA than discussing a feature in TEW.

 

I'm not against taking shots at tna but thats not purely what this is. It terms of the game how can you tell me that given all those influences that the locker room would not be a powder keg with a lit fuse? Hogan proved one thing last night, he has not changed at all..... bringing in bubba the love sponge? The nasty boys? scott hall? Sean waltman? Bischoff? what does that do for your current talent? NOTHING execept use up valueable tv time on over the hill has beens. So lets say you have a mod that starts from last night. If the effects of the locker room are really carry as much weight as Adam makes it sound like then guys are going to have a **** fit about hogan bringing in guys that do nothing for your current roaster.

[Donners]

I'm not against taking shots at tna but thats not purely what this is. It terms of the game how can you tell me that given all those influences that the locker room would not be a powder keg with a lit fuse? Hogan proved one thing last night, he has not changed at all..... bringing in bubba the love sponge? The nasty boys? scott hall? Sean waltman? Bischoff? what does that do for your current talent? NOTHING execept use up valueable tv time on over the hill has beens. So lets say you have a mod that starts from last night. If the effects of the locker room are really carry as much weight as Adam makes it sound like then guys are going to have a **** fit about hogan bringing in guys that do nothing for your current roaster.

 

Not purely, perhaps, but obviously an agenda.

 

I see nothing in the developer's journal that relates to signings. It refers to people being upset about having their friends fired, and about being jobbed out, but not about other people who are hired, and certainly not in the sense that you refer to in your last line (which again seems a shot rather than an on-topic point).

 

Indeed, I would think it would have to be very carefully handled if there were such a feature, because there's no telling how those people would be used. It could be like Shane Douglas' last stint in TNA, where he came in for just one PPV match and put over Daniels. Punishing the user in morale terms for a decision like that would not work well at all.

[Genadi]

After last night in Tna, with all the "new names" coming how will TEW view the locker room. I mean you have Hogan, nash, hall, waltman, flair, bischoff, the nasty boys, Jeff hardy, Scott stiner, and may others. To me I think WCW 2.0 is doomed with that poisonous of a locker room. With the new locker room feature in TEW will you even get though a month of game time before that powder keg goes off? I can't stand TNA but I know I look forward to giving it a try in TEW 2010.

 

It's not 1997, people change and grow no matter how much alot of us don't like to think they do. Attitudes have changed, priorities aren't what they were and the power of the guys you listed is nowhere near what it was when they ran a muck in WCW. Add to that the promotions are completely different, WCW allowed top guys to get away with murder, it caused a ripple effect that reached even openers in the company.

 

Adam announced the new morale features which I think cover this area perfectly now. Randy Orton is a perfect example of how a guy can go from a total jerk to what I'd say now is close to a lockeroom leader if handled correctly. He was disciplined and well, we saw the results.

 

If the TNA lockeroom blows up it will be because Kong finds out it's been Dixie stealing her Snickers

[Genadi]

Hogan proved one thing last night, he has not changed at all..... bringing in bubba the love sponge? The nasty boys? scott hall? Sean waltman? Bischoff?

 

First I don't know how that proves anything other then Hogan is still a loyal friend and likes to give his boys easy paydays

 

what does that do for your current talent? NOTHING execept use up valueable tv time on over the hill has beens.

 

That's an assumption you're jumping to, granted going by TNA's booking I can see why the assumption is made. All the guys you listed except for Bubba (who I don't imagine is coming in full time) can contribute massively to TNA, it depends how they're used of course but used properly you're talking about some of the best workers of our generation.

 

 

Perhaps with the next version of TEW, you can book segments with midgets and exploit the deaths of your workers, gradually eroding the fanbase of not just your company, but the business in general.

 

You can do that in '08

[BurningHamster]

Perhaps with the next version of TEW, you can book segments with midgets and exploit the deaths of your workers, gradually eroding the fanbase of not just your company, but the business in general.

 

I have to give this props for it's brutal honesty.

[D-Lyrium]

it depends how they're used of course but used properly you're talking about some of the best workers of our generation.

 

Nobody should ever call The Nasty Boys that, ever again. They barely ever strayed above 'atrocious' for long, even in their prime.

 

More seriously though, I agree with Chono's sentiment. Nash, by all accounts, is a pretty nice guy these days. Hall won't turn up anyway, and if people were that annoyed at Steiner they'd have left by now.

 

I doubt it would rate 'perfectly harmonious', but I can't see it being as bad in reality as it will probably be turned into in TEW.

[Genadi]

I was referring to Waltman and Hall, you know I was

[James Casey]

I never thought Waltman was a problem backstage?

 

But it will be interesting to see how this works. Hall's long absence in 1999 was said to be a key reason for morale tanking in WCW in 1999, so even some obvious routes to backstage harmony may be cut off.

[Slim Jim]

I never thought Waltman was a problem backstage?

 

After what he went through with Chyna, can you blame him for being a little messed up?

 

Really hope people put the time in on the personalities. I've just started a TNA game with one of the RW mods, I forget which, and they are all one of three exact templates. Loyal and dependable / completely neutral / egotistical and selfish. It's frustrating enough in 08 that literally ALL the personalities are off [some to a massive degree] and with the new features in 10, it'll have more of an effect. Obviously, I've gone through and edited them to my own perception now but when you just want to jump straight in at a moment like the start of this year, eh, frustrating.

[Sydewayz]

It remains to be seen what actually happens...It is my understanding that some of the guys that were brought in were done so for short term contracts, just to get a short term pop. The theme of the show was that that it was Not going to be like WCW...Hogan at the end seemed torn on what the ex-NwO was doing. The old guys coming in is a plot thing --it may not be for the long run. It does bring up the fact that Biscoff and Hogan need to learn to create their own stars rather than operate as usual and just get people that Other promotions built up.

 

The main thing that needs to change in TNA is the spoken part of the programming...Other than Nash, the rest of the workers are horrible (they make the Miz seem passable on the mic). They need to stop pumping the promotion in every sentence and start focusing on real character development.

 

They also need to slow the turns down. I would be considered a casual watcher of TNA and everytime I have watched in the past 2 or so years, I spend half the show figuring out who is face and who is heel. There has to be a real reason for a turn--not just to balance the face/heel divide. If you are short on Heels--HIRE a heel unless you have a story driven reason for flipping someone.... WWE has had the luxury of having other brands to shuffle around so they can do this alot better. I could list all the turns, semi turns etc that happened, but to cover the last 6 months I would have to quadruple the length of this already novel-lengthed post.

 

my 2 cents anyways....

[Immortal1]

It sounds like the Outsiders will be putting over Bear Money at the PPV, so it seems like they are not the negative influence people expected. BTW, Jericho has had more negative to say about Goldberg, than Hogan. I think in a fair mod, they would not be seen as bad influences.

[James Casey]

Jericho was never on Hogan's radar, though - even while being in WCW at the same time, they never crossed paths that I'm aware of. As for Goldberg, well, that's been covered enough, I think.

[Krazy Killian]

The only part of Waltman's history we could possibly use to predict the future is that he MAY end up sleeping with Kong. He likes 'em strong.

[Remianen]

When hearing scrutiny on the nWo members in WCW, who is the bitching always by? It's by a few random undercarders who weren't even over or talented(With the exception of Jericho).

 

So Mick Foley isn't over or talented? He's just a random undercarder? Eddie Guerrero wasn't over or talented. He was just a random undercarder? Dean Malenko. Benoit. Saturn. Storm. Austin. None of these people were talented, eh? They were just random undercarders?

 

That's a problem inherent with broad brushes.

[Genadi]

I've heard very few of those guys complain or bitch about the nWo crew, their beef always seemed to be with WCW and how they handled situations that arose.

[jesseewiak]

This is one of the problem with RL mods. There's been multiple reports that morale is low among original TNAers because of the new people coming in and much of the past history w/ the new people isn't that great. Nash had made a career of only doing what's good for him, Hall's a diaster, and Hogan's political machinations can full a whole book. But, on other hand, people also believe the public face that all those people really just want to build an alternative to WWE. Despite the fact that Hogan was talking to McMahon only weeks before he signed with TNA. :-)

[Donners]

There's been multiple reports that morale is low among original TNAers because of the new people coming in and much of the past history w/ the new people isn't that great.

 

 

And those reports have come up regularly since 2002. Newz sites have their own agenda, and much of what they publish is utter tripe.

[Genadi]

And those reports have come up regularly since 2002. Newz sites have their own agenda, and much of what they publish is utter tripe.

 

QFT.