MrCanada Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Now I know there is an "official" WWE thread. But I feel this is a good discussion that is way more fitting to be in its own topic, because stuff just kind of gets lost in those "official" threads. So its known every year right before/after WrestleMania WWE starts its spring cleaning a little early and releases guys to make more room of the roster. This year, I feel, is a little different as the roster is significantly smaller then previous years. BUt I think people can still expect some releases. So who do you think are the next to go? From the "sure things" to the ones you see coming you think others dont (people like Ken Kennedy of the past is a good example). So my "picks" to be released. 1. Tyler Reks - He debut a while ago with the superstar inititive, also known as the "hey, you are good enough to be on the roster, but not good enough for us to think of anything creative for you to do, so lets throw feces against the wall and see what sticks." I'm pretty sure he'll make EVERYONE's list. 2. Carlito &/or Primo - I it can go either way with these two. Carlito has achieved that level of "over" where he can do almost anything, or not do anything to be more accurate, and still get heat/a pop when he comes out which makes him valuable. But how many start/stop pushes has the guy had? He had that terrific promo vs. Cena (because Sheamus cant cut one) but it just led to a squash. It is kind of sad where the guy who just isnt given a shot has to cut the promo for the guy now holding the belt because he's so inept. Primo has been in limbo since the split of the Colon's too. Anything he does, Evan Bourne does better. Bourne is a better wrestler, better seller at making others look good, and more over. So I see both or at least one going away, back to WWC, but I'm sure they may return at some point. Likely if WWE runs into injury trouble they can go after Carlito who isnt a Wellness hazard it seems. 3. Chris Masters - I HATE when the WWE does what they did with Masters. He has that one segment where he jiggled his boobs, and it was funny. Casual fans laughed, internet fans praised it as amazing (in a wrestlecrap way though), and the WWE chooses THAT to run with. But when the internet is praising the new SmackDown 6, they ignore it. Anyhow the new gimmick isnt getting over really so it makes sense for him to go. Especially with all the wellness strikes already. 4. Charlie Haas - Not long ago it was rumored that the WWE had just signed him to a new 3-5 year deal, under the premise of they didnt want him going to TNA because they think he could be a big star, especially if matched with Angle and co. I cant help but think that if this was the true Monday Night Wars, Haas would be the Austin of this generation. In a team where a lot of people focused on his partner, when he was in the indy scene he had a really rebel/bad ass gimmick, a great wrestler with what I think is an undiscovered charisma (as seen in his impersonation gimmick). So either he's on the cutting block and will go to TNA, or he sticks around... sitting at home collecting a pay check. 5. Curt Hawkins - He's still on the SmackDown! roster page! haha. He's in FCW as 1/3 of "The Dudebusters" with Trent Baretta and Caylen Croft but didnt get the call up with the first too. Not a good sign. Shame, I think the three of them would make an awesome E&C type group. 6. Eric Escobar - The same as Tyler Reks of current, Scotty Goldman/Gavin Spears/Ryan Braddock/Ricky Ortiz of the past. 7. Jimmy Wang Yang & Slam Master J - Yang I think might be a bit in the Haas area. I could see him staying around for WWE to use as SmackDown!'s Evan Bourne. But with that said, Slam Master J is the Primo to Yang's Evan Bourne. Also one of, if not both of, these guys leaving makes room for FCW's Justin Angel or Low-Ki to get the call up 8. Mike Knox - Why they didnt pull the trigger on the Kane/Knox team is beyond me. But with them pushing Vance Archer it is basically a lock Knox is gone since they are virtually the same person. I will note I do like Knox 1000x better. 9. The Dudebusters - They havnt really taken off. They are decent wrestlers if you watch their FCW stuff. A Sports Entertainment version of The Motor City Machine Guns mixed with a bit of Edge & Christian charisma wise. But squashing jobbers with a limited move aresenal (in FCW they did a lot more) has really crippled them. And like a lot of these guys, you can name a lot of new stars in FCW who can come up and do the same thing, and possibly get more over. 10. Vladimir Kozlov - Will you cheer for him? Nor will I. I'm sure he will get saddled with a comedy gimmick with his new "face turn". But face turns rarley work when a guy turns face simply because the heel's decided to beat him up. That only works when the guy the heels decide to beat up has already begun getting popped by the fans (see Randy Orton/Evolution, but that was botched too). Obviously the WWE see's something in Jackson more so then Kozlov. I think its the lack of accent. Now those are my ten. I didnt intend to make a list of 10, it just sorta happened (and their are actually 13 guys on the list so...). I also didnt mention any FCW releases but there are likely always a handful of those. I have to admit that besides Haas, Knox, & The Dudebusters (if they begin to let loose a bit), I dont really care about the other named guys. I tend to look at the development a lot and there are plenty of guys down there who can come up + some guys in limbo (not on TV or FCW). Its actually a decent list, of what will likely be the debuts of 2010 to fill the holes left above: Bryan Danielson, Lance Cade, Richie Steamboat, Justin Angel, Low Ki, Alex Riley, Brett Dibiase, Joe Hennig, The Rotundo's, Gabriel, Heath Slater, Ray Leppan, & Johnny Curtis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 The only thing left to do for Kozlov is for several divas to experience something known as the Kozlove, an idea proposed by Slim Jim some time ago xD I like the look of barretta and croft and think it's too early for them to go, they really should call them the dudebusters though. Escobar, Hawkins and Reks look pretty much certs. Carlito/Primo is an interesting one, I'd wager they'll stick around as Carlito is a valuable member of the roster, even if had things gone differently he could've been so, so much more, and Primo being there will keep him happy. I liked knox's little promos where he wore glasses and talked about body parts, not gonna get him over though. Masters...they'll milk this for a while and it could go either way, pairing him up with Eve shows they still have some hope for him though. Used to love him and Carlito back in 06. Haas is another intruiging one, he's teamed with Knox before in a duo known as Hard Knox but with the belts being used as they are right now that's unlikely to stick. The impersonation **** was brilliant, and I think generally he's got a lot more to offer on the mic than he's shown beyond that, but age is another factor and it seems a matter of time before it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I honestly don't think there needs to be any thread related to the WWE that deserves its own thread. There was a catch all WWE thread to be made and if we all keep trying to decide what warrents its own thread outside of the WWE catch all then we might wind up with who knows what as off shoot topics and we'll be right back to a few months ago before the discussion thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I honestly don't think there needs to be any thread related to the WWE that deserves its own thread. There was a catch all WWE thread to be made and if we all keep trying to decide what warrents its own thread outside of the WWE catch all then we might wind up with who knows what as off shoot topics and we'll be right back to a few months ago before the discussion thread. /nod. I think this is like the 5th or 6th one to start up saying "Although there is an "Official" WWE topic, I think this subject merits it's own thread." Then it's about.... WWE. I know the OP's believe that their topic is more important then the thread already in use, but you have to understand that it's there for a reason. Use it, we will read it, review it, share our thoughts. Your going to get more responce's there then here (on topic responces anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I got a pretty strong feeling Triple H is probably going to be released, I know it sounds far fetched but I got an uncle who works at microsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I honestly don't think there needs to be any thread related to the WWE that deserves its own thread. There was a catch all WWE thread to be made and if we all keep trying to decide what warrents its own thread outside of the WWE catch all then we might wind up with who knows what as off shoot topics and we'll be right back to a few months ago before the discussion thread. I hate the discussion thread! so much jumble, I never even bother with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfRoMaN36 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I hate the discussion thread! so much jumble, I never even bother with it anymore. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I hate the discussion thread! so much jumble, I never even bother with it anymore. Ya me too...there are so many topics to discuss but everything gets side tracked combined into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I hate the discussion thread! so much jumble, I never even bother with it anymore. Can't blame you. I get the spirit of why it exists. But the more topics there are to discuss within a catch-all thread, the tougher they are going to be to follow. It's why you won't see me jumping up and down at MrCanada for starting this thread. The discussion threads are eventually just going to collapse under their own weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted January 8, 2010 Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 Can't blame you. I get the spirit of why it exists. But the more topics there are to discuss within a catch-all thread, the tougher they are going to be to follow. It's why you won't see me jumping up and down at MrCanada for starting this thread. The discussion threads are eventually just going to collapse under their own weight I was always under the impression (and maybe wrongfully so) that the WWE discussion thread was to prevent an over-abundance of threads. RAW/ECW/SD would all get a thread and every little piece of news. If you really collapse all WWE and TNA talk into two threads, eventually this board will have two threads... Sure the random "House M.D." thread may pop up, but shouldnt that be put into a "General TV Discussion" thread as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 To be fair they haven't even released anyone yet so you have made a thread about something your not even sure if and when it will happen. So I would say that yes until someone is released it should go as speculation and I wouldn't think speculation on something that might happen deserves its own thread. Now if they release say Chris Jericho for having an afair with Kelly Kelly then yeah thats huge news that deserves its own thread. But if TNA's biggest show ever was thrown into the TNA discussion thread and all Hogan news is in that thread then why would jobbers being released deserve its own thread if those things don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted January 8, 2010 Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 To be fair they haven't even released anyone yet so you have made a thread about something your not even sure if and when it will happen. So I would say that yes until someone is released it should go as speculation and I wouldn't think speculation on something that might happen deserves its own thread. Now if they release say Chris Jericho for having an afair with Kelly Kelly then yeah thats huge news that deserves its own thread. But if TNA's biggest show ever was thrown into the TNA discussion thread and all Hogan news is in that thread then why would jobbers being released deserve its own thread if those things don't? The point wasnt a "official release thread" it was to discuss who you think WWE may release in the near future. If history is an indicator their will be releases. I thought it would be a good topic to encourage discussion and debate, I obviously didnt realize it would offend someone. For that I apologize. And to be fair, all the Hogan stuff is ALL the TNA thread is about. And a reason I (and it seems others) dislike the one thread system is because you cannot start an in-depth conversation about a topic (another word for thread in forum lingo, kind of funny) because it gets washed away with the random person decides to post something about the Nasty Boys, random person decides to say Jeff Hardy will do well, random person brings up Erik Watts. Granted when making threads there is a sink-or-swim thing where sometimes they dont spark discussion and it is in some ways simply filler on a board. Which could be relegated to a general discussion thread. But as I said I thought the one-thread thing was more to prevent those "RAW - 01/04/10 was pretty good. Liked seeing Bret." threads. Mine was several paragraphs of semi-coherent, semi-thoughtful opinions. EDIT: And not full of swear words like mine usually are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Century Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Anyways, to get back on topic, here are my picks who will get released. Note that this is all IMO, none of it is fact: Charlie Haas: He has turned into a jobber IMO ever since his team with Benjamin split up. Now that he is wrestling even less than before, he might get released. Jimmy Wang Yang and Kung Fu Naki: I hardly ever even see these guys wrestle! Er, that's it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 After thinking about what people had to say on the subject of having new threads... I will have to say you have swayed my opinion. I do think that a generalised discussion has it's pluss's, but the drawbacks of not being able to get a good discussion on something justifies having more threads. I would keep the WWE/TNA discussion threads going with "Current" news, as far as their shows are concerned, but specific topics that although are connected, have nothing to do with their shows and current ongoings should probably have their own threads. Just seems like that would be more orderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Aye but just be reserved with it or else Adam will close (or merge if that is possible) as he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Anyways, to get back on topic, here are my picks who will get released. Note that this is all IMO, none of it is fact: Charlie Haas: He has turned into a jobber IMO ever since his team with Benjamin split up. Now that he is wrestling even less than before, he might get released. Jimmy Wang Yang and Kung Fu Naki: I hardly ever even see these guys wrestle! Er, that's it for me. Sympathy jobbers have their place and are needed as the next step up to no name jobbers so I think Yang and Naki are quite safe. Same reason Shark Boy still has a job at TNA plus he does other stuff then wrestle and he is pretty good too given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Century Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Sympathy jobbers have their place and are needed as the next step up to no name jobbers so I think Yang and Naki are quite safe. Same reason Shark Boy still has a job at TNA plus he does other stuff then wrestle and he is pretty good too given the chance. What about Noble? Does anybody else think that he might be released? Or are they going to keep him on as a road agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredreed Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 WWE New Year Releases The WWE is ok but having special guest hosts still is very bad. Making Teddy Long be still on probation is just stupid and also having Vickie Guerrero as his consultant is even more dumber. The only real good thing here is that TNA has better talent then WWE has, only because TNA uses their talent in the right way unlike WWE. Sooner or later superstars like Shawn Michaels, the undertaker, kane, they will have to retire. The WWE needs to bring in more better young talent, they are headed down a long dark windy road that leads to nowhere. Why because they do not want to have more young talent. The current talent they have they need to use it more better. Having 4 TV Shows is real stupid, Is it better to have quantity over quality no. Quality is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrockLock Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 The WWE is ok but having special guest hosts still is very bad. Making Teddy Long be still on probation is just stupid and also having Vickie Guerrero as his consultant is even more dumber. The only real good thing here is that TNA has better talent then WWE has, only because TNA uses their talent in the right way unlike WWE. Sooner or later superstars like Shawn Michaels, the undertaker, kane, they will have to retire. The WWE needs to bring in more better young talent, they are headed down a long dark windy road that leads to nowhere. Why because they do not want to have more young talent. The current talent they have they need to use it more better. Having 4 TV Shows is real stupid, Is it better to have quantity over quality no. Quality is better. Anyone else get the irony of someone saying that something is "even more dumber"? Anyway, you say that 4 t.v. shows is stupid but how? How is that stupid for Vince? The more t.v. shows he has, the more chance he has to show off his talent, and more importantly the more advertising time there is. Your forgetting that WWE is a busniess first and foremost, it needs to make money. Thats why 4 t.v. shows is smart, not stupid, it's very very smart becuase its making more and more money. Quality is better for you maybe, but not for Vince becuase the quality doesnt matter, he just wants more quantity so he can make bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMcFly Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The WWE is ok but having special guest hosts still is very bad. Making Teddy Long be still on probation is just stupid and also having Vickie Guerrero as his consultant is even more dumber. The only real good thing here is that TNA has better talent then WWE has, only because TNA uses their talent in the right way unlike WWE. Sooner or later superstars like Shawn Michaels, the undertaker, kane, they will have to retire. The WWE needs to bring in more better young talent, they are headed down a long dark windy road that leads to nowhere. Why because they do not want to have more young talent. The current talent they have they need to use it more better. Having 4 TV Shows is real stupid, Is it better to have quantity over quality no. Quality is better. Guess what genius, Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash, Sting, Mick Foley, Sean Waltman and Scott Hall, The Nasty Boys, They're All going to have to retire too genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 It also doesn't take much for WWE to put over people and they do have young talent that will be around, HBK/Taker/Kane can be replaced by Cena/Orton/Edge, they've lost Hogan, Austin, and The Rock for examples and they are still doing fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astil Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The WWE needs to bring in more better young talent, ...Quality is better. CM Punk..................Samoa Joe Brian Danielson.........AJ Styles Kofi Kingston............Wolfe Jack Swagger...........Burke Evan Bourne.............Umm Sheamus.................Err DiBiase Jr................Jeez MVP.......................ALRIGHT WE GET IT! P.S. I am more a TNA fan than WWE right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 MVP is like 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattitudeV2 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 CM Punk..................Samoa Joe Brian Danielson.........AJ Styles Kofi Kingston............Wolfe Jack Swagger...........Burke Evan Bourne.............Amazing Red Sheamus.................Lashley DiBiase Jr................Roode MVP.......................Anderson P.S. I am more a TNA fan than WWE right now. These be would the guys you would be talking about as Red could be TNA's Bourne and Roode could be the breakout star from Beer Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 This is getting way of topic guys. Both have talented rosters with a mix of "old" and "new". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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