kckid4u Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Guys, I've been reading Bret Harts book, "Hitman," which I recommend btw, but have only gotten through the early part of it, but so far he has been writing about his early days in Stampede Wresting in the time frame of like 1972 through 1980, and I was wondering if any of you guys who know the game well and the Cornellverse database well could give me a heads up on which promotion in it would give me the closest feel to the type of wresting during that time frame. Meaning a promotion based mainly on wrestler performance in ring with just minor angles as it's base. Any ideas about the Cornellverse database would be great as I've never used it before and always have used a real world mod, but want to try the Cornellverse database. I'd like it to be a smaller promotion either in Canada or the US. Sure, I could probably figure this out on my own, but with a people around who have played this game for years and who really know the Cornellverse database, why not harvest that knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Did you know that there is a Cornellverse 1975 mod out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kckid4u Posted January 14, 2010 Author Share Posted January 14, 2010 Did you know that there is a Cornellverse 1975 mod out there? No, I did not, but I will have to try and find it. I'd really like to use the Cornellverse database that comes with the 2010 game though as it just seems to me to be the one to use since it will be tailored to the new version right out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 MAW or NOTBPW are the closest two, I'd say. MAW is smaller, American fed. NOTBPW is a big fed (fairly high cult, which I'm guessing is much higher than Stampede would have been) but is all about the matches. The Stone family are also fairly similar to the Hart family in some ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kckid4u Posted January 14, 2010 Author Share Posted January 14, 2010 Thanks Jaded. I'll check those two out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 From what I remember of Stampede (grew up watching it), the entertainment aspect was pretty key. Not that half the show as angles (like WWE now) or that the storylines were all big convoluted ones, but most feuds were storyline driven to some extent. The gimmicks were pretty key. Yes, the in-ring product mattered a great deal, but not to the extent that it would make it like NOTBPW. I would say it learned more towards Spots Entertainment and would be most similar to CGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kckid4u Posted January 14, 2010 Author Share Posted January 14, 2010 Yeah, NOTHW and CGC are very close, and after looking, I will most likely pick one of these two. Thanks guys. I like the Stone family from the NOTBW and the fact that two Stone brothers left and signed on with other promotions. Would be fun trying to lure them back, as both are pretty good wrestlers. After looking at both promotions, I have a question. When looking at each of there two promotions "Product," under "Match Intensity", the CGC as a rating, or percentage of 18% while the NOTBW has a "Match Intensity" of 80%. I'm not real sure what Match Intensity means, but I'm assuming it means the fans are looking for the matches to be more realistic in the NOTBW than that of the CGC. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 I've always seen George DeColt as the Stu Hart of the C-Verse. Others would see it as Dan Stone. So I suggest CGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Yeah, NOTHW and CGC are very close, and after looking, I will most likely pick one of these two. Thanks guys. I like the Stone family from the NOTBW and the fact that two Stone brothers left and signed on with other promotions. Would be fun trying to lure them back, as both are pretty good wrestlers. After looking at both promotions, I have a question. When looking at each of there two promotions "Product," under "Match Intensity", the CGC as a rating, or percentage of 18% while the NOTBW has a "Match Intensity" of 80%. I'm not real sure what Match Intensity means, but I'm assuming it means the fans are looking for the matches to be more realistic in the NOTBW than that of the CGC. Is that correct? Intensity is not just realism... its the overall intensity of the match. It means the workers are going to be more worn out than a less-intense match and less fatigued. Compare a standard WWE TV match to an ROH match to a high level puro match... The overall intensity is just different. I have never really been able to see the NOTBPW as close to Stampede. The Stone family may have some similarities to the Hart family, but the approach is so different. Stampede wasn't pure wrestling. Fans loved the babyfaces and hated the heels. Fans bought the gimmicks and wrestlers got over based just on their gimmicks - a notable heel I recall from the early 80s was Karl Moffat, a big who wore a hockey mask and carried a chainsaw, going by Jason the Terrible. Entertainment was a big aspect of Stampede. I know NOTBPW still has a strong face-heel divide, but it otherwise seems to be about as pure wrestling as you would get in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kckid4u Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 I have never really been able to see the NOTBPW as close to Stampede. The Stone family may have some similarities to the Hart family, but the approach is so different. Stampede wasn't pure wrestling. Fans loved the babyfaces and hated the heels. Fans bought the gimmicks and wrestlers got over based just on their gimmicks - a notable heel I recall from the early 80s was Karl Moffat, a big who wore a hockey mask and carried a chainsaw, going by Jason the Terrible. Entertainment was a big aspect of Stampede. I know NOTBPW still has a strong face-heel divide, but it otherwise seems to be about as pure wrestling as you would get in North America. I agree, Stampede did use a lot of gimmicks, even having midgets and even a wrestling bear at times, but they also, because of the years it took place, the matches were more pure wrestling than it is now days, example the WWE. Stampede did have a lot of the NWA's World Champions come in from time to time like Harley Race and Andre the Giant, so the matches were expected to be as close to real as they could be, but you're right, they did use a lot of gimmicks. So you think CGC is closer than NOTBW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayelek Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 While I see the Stone family more as the Harts (Edd Stone/Teddy Hart comparison, anyone?), I see CGC as being more like Stampede Wrestling, if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I agree, Stampede did use a lot of gimmicks, even having midgets and even a wrestling bear at times, but they also, because of the years it took place, the matches were more pure wrestling than it is now days, example the WWE. Stampede did have a lot of the NWA's World Champions come in from time to time like Harley Race and Andre the Giant, so the matches were expected to be as close to real as they could be, but you're right, they did use a lot of gimmicks. So you think CGC is closer than NOTBW? Yes. A fair bit. I'm not claiming to be an expert on Stampede. I grew up watching them, but that doesn't make me unique (at least, not amongst Canadians). Grew up in their touring territory, so I got to see house shows occasionally, in addition to the weekly TV show. But I was a kid, so I only remember so much of the house shows and TV show. Tough to find footage now. The in-ring action mattered. Quite a bit. But so did the entertainment aspects. I recall use of non-clean finishes (though how often varied with who was booking, at least according to Hart's book). I recall some workers getting over moreso based on gimmick or stories more than talent (with the previously mentioned Jason the Terrible being a notable one). Its the kind of thing I just can't see working in NOTBPW, but fit in perfectly with CGC. Not that you couldn't adapt it to NOTBPW, but I think CGC is a much closer fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kckid4u Posted January 15, 2010 Author Share Posted January 15, 2010 Thanks Big, sounds good and I appreciate you're guys help with these questions. After reading Adams development thread and reading through Bret Harts book, I'm really in the mood, BIG TIME, to getting this game when it is released! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakerNGN74 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Glad to see that you have or are reading Bret's Book It's a great read probably one of the best books written by a wrestler other than Mick Foley's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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