Kobe1724 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 How are they different as so far as to what circumstances you would assign a gimmick to one or the other, in TEW terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Gimmicky are vibrant and wacky, like Policemen or Sailors or Construction Workers, while Unique is more of an 'anything goes' sort of category, more subtle, specific, unique. Plus, with the new gimmick effects, think about this; If a Brute lost to this gimmick, would it hurt the Brute? If yes, it should be gimmicky. If no, go unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigilistic Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 This raises an interesting point. Certain gimmicky gimmicks, such as Deadman and Power and Paint, may need to be shifted over to a different category now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 A similar question would be what is the difference between comedy and gimmicky gimmicks? I've managed to make a pretty overbloated gimmicks file, but I could probably count on one hand the number of gimmicks I settled on as being strictly comedy. (most of them went to gimmicky, or unique as the OP brought up) Most likely an incorrect interpretation on my part though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio3060 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I think the difference between the two is that a unique gimmick is exactly that. an undertaker = Gimmicky The Undertaker = Unique While the Undertaker started out as a gimmicky type character in the early 90's. The Undertaker of the 2000's in truely Unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 A gimmicky gimmick is one that falls pretty much on the opposite end of the spectrum from a realistic gimmick, in wrestling terms. Barry Darsow could tell you a lot about gimmicky gimmicks. A unique gimmick is one that may have started off as another type of gimmick, but evolved into something different and not commonly seen. From the default gimmicks file, an example of Unique would be 'Man on a Mission'. What may have started as a 'wildman' or 'animal' gimmick could evolve into 'Man On A Mission' if a worker discovers a purpose or develops a method to his/her madness. A cause, if you will. It could be argued that during their 15 minutes of relative fame, Extreme Exposé used 'Dancer' gimmicks because that was all they did (or seemed able to do). That gimmick doesn't fit into any other existing category so....it's unique. I can't completely agree with Scorpio's example though. Taker's gimmick is still gimmicky, he's just made it his own and taken it to new heights. That happens sometimes. A worker takes a lame gimmick and turns it into gold. A better example would be Triple H, who started with a lame gimmick (Connecticut Blue blood) and evolved it into something totally different (and far better). Not sure if 'The Game' or 'The King of Kings' would qualify as separate and unique gimmicks but I know for darn sure they're not the same as the first one was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidDavidGold Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I've always looked at the unique gimmicks as the iconic characters in wrestling. Austin, Rock, Hogan, Flair, Sting, Undertaker, Warrior, etc. The guys that definately have a gimmick but they make it their own and it becomes who they are. It's almost like it's not a gimmick anymore. It's simply the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Meh, I don't think that's a result of a "different" gimmick so much as it's a fine example of an 'A' or even A* gimmick rating. HHH is an arrogant heel, strikes me as evolution the most. Austin was a redneck rebel Rock really had a comedy role, "Comedy Jock" is the one I've seen in the mods and I'd agree with that, that or Fan Favorite once he became popular. It's not like nobody else could be a ****y, funny babyface or a representative of "the people" just that the Rock did it really really well. The modern Undertaker gimmick would probably fall under Brute I think. It's definitely not gimmicky anymore because the announcers aren't talkign about how he "rose from the dead" or he's not going completely Over the top with it. no more constant demand for funeral matches, no more walking around with a mortician with an urn of his dead parents or whatever that was. THAT was gimmicky as hell. Now a days, it's not as again the key is that it's not OTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I think a lot of people confuse these gimmicks as 'Unique', rather than the fact that the workers are so over, that their gimmicks are hard to become 'stale'. That's not to say that they don't become stale, because they do. Look at the tweaks to gimmicks like The Undertaker, Steve Austin, and even The Rock has had over the years. While the base to the gimmick has stayed the same, small tweaks to the gimmick have kept them fresh. That's not unique. Dictionary definition of 'unique' is that it's one of a kind. I'm sure there are many people out there that could do the 'Deadman' gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddyGarner Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Unique gimmick is what you use as a tweener gimmick so you don't have to keep workers off screen or when you have a worker with all D+ performance skills(I usually flip em' between gimmicky and unique). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Well Taker can't be gimmicky if in TEW brutes get hurt badly by losing to a gimmicky gimmicked wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 If you look at the c-verse, the unique gimmicks are "one-person only" gimmicks. Skin-Care Obsessive (Dermot O'Logical), Frustrated Golfer (Puffy the Sand Iron Player) and Psycho Ballarenia (Nina the Psycho Ballerina). Basically the hidden "worker requirement" is that you have to be that person to use them Real world examples are a bit tough to think up off the top of my head but somebody more hip to more indy wreslting can probably name some stuff. Off the top of my head I can think of the Army Ants (seriously, WTF?) Mick Foley (not any particular gimmick, but his eventual role as "himself") The Rock's gimmick might be unique as again I think they just let him run with being himself. The People's Champion was more then just a Fan Favorite as he had quite a bit of edge to him, and a bit more comedy involved then just a regular "Fan Favorite". Compare The People's Champion to Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Hogan was a typical fan favorite/old school face. Rock was too edgy for a fun babyface, too funny for a fan favorite, too modern for an "old school face". Beaver Cleavage would probably be a unique gimmick, actually you could probably aruge that all those one-time truly awful gimmicks (the gobbeldy gooker) were "unique" because you will never ever see them again. The Repo Man!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinklefurball Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 If you look at the c-verse, the unique gimmicks are "one-person only" gimmicks. Skin-Care Obsessive (Dermot O'Logical), Frustrated Golfer (Puffy the Sand Iron Player) and Psycho Ballarenia (Nina the Psycho Ballerina). Basically the hidden "worker requirement" is that you have to be that person to use them Real world examples are a bit tough to think up off the top of my head but somebody more hip to more indy wreslting can probably name some stuff. Off the top of my head I can think of the Army Ants (seriously, WTF?) Mick Foley (not any particular gimmick, but his eventual role as "himself") The Rock's gimmick might be unique as again I think they just let him run with being himself. The People's Champion was more then just a Fan Favorite as he had quite a bit of edge to him, and a bit more comedy involved then just a regular "Fan Favorite". Compare The People's Champion to Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Hogan was a typical fan favorite/old school face. Rock was too edgy for a fun babyface, too funny for a fan favorite, too modern for an "old school face". Beaver Cleavage would probably be a unique gimmick, actually you could probably aruge that all those one-time truly awful gimmicks (the gobbeldy gooker) were "unique" because you will never ever see them again. The Repo Man!? So by that logic, would Shark Boy be Gimmicky or Unique? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 So by that logic, would Shark Boy be Gimmicky or Unique? I dunno, do other people do shark boy? If yes then gimmicky, if no then unique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennie Bomb Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I dunno, do other people do shark boy? If yes then gimmicky, if no then unique Well, Shark Boy owns the rights to the name, so... I'd go with unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I think the difference between the two is that a unique gimmick is exactly that. an undertaker = Gimmicky The Undertaker = Unique While the Undertaker started out as a gimmicky type character in the early 90's. The Undertaker of the 2000's in truely Unique. And that's what so great about TEW10's ability to create gimmicks mid game... allowing evolution of character just like that. Rick Law might have started out a gimmicky police man but might end up being a wicked cool unique law man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 And that's what so great about TEW10's ability to create gimmicks mid game... allowing evolution of character just like that. Rick Law might have started out a gimmicky police man but might end up being a wicked cool unique law man. I have to admit that I don't know a lot about Shark Boy apart from his TNA run, but his gimmick is either comedy or gimmicky. Just because no-one else is pretending to be a shark doesn't mean it's a unique gimmick. He's a guy in an animal costume... that's been done. Too many mod makers get gimmicks confused with catchphrases and nicknames. "The Rattlesnake" isn't a gimmick, it's just a nickname given to Austin while he was being a rebel or a bad ass. I don't have time to go through a lot of examples, but the same can be applied to most of the gimmicks used in real world gimmick files. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen a gimmick called "The Animal" used on Batista... when the same people complain that he has no character elsewhere on the forums. He's a "bad ass"... and not even a particularly good one. It's not played in the same way Steve Austin played it but it's pretty much the same gimmick. The massively overinflated gimmick files that many modders end up with are an end result of trying to differentiate gimmicks, when it would make far more sense to give people with similar gimmicks the SAME GIMMICK. And now, I'm off to annoy my girlfriend. Hopefully my general ranting helps someone other than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 RE: Shark Boy Wasn't he the only guy to have his *specific* gimmick in EWR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 RE: Shark Boy Wasn't he the only guy to have his *specific* gimmick in EWR? He sure was. Strangely enough, Silver Shark doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 I guess I tend to lean on gimmicks like Unique more often than not not actually because of their Uniqueness, but because they don't have the same sort of performance restrictions that some of the others have (since I can usually envision most gimmicks being performed several ways). Helps that my mod has absolutely no bearing in real life.. although I may need to switch things back a bit to take advantage of the new gimmick strengths and weaknesses, even though I don't really like restricting people from selecting gimmicks (I know that gimmick restriction is a good challenge with precedence in reality, but I guess I'm a softy who figures "if you can think of a way for this guy to play that gimmick that makes sense in your head, who am I to tell you no"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAHJRB Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I think that we shouldn't even be able to assign "Unique" as a category. Unique to me should be a gimmick, like what was previously stated for Undertaker, that has been evolved by that single person. It has a portion of what it started as but becomes something that no one else can copy even if they tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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