Nightshadeex Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The dirt sheet is an amazing feature. Things that I've been doing for years thinking that they help the matches, I find are actually making them worse! This is going to change everything! Awesome Adam! Simply awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svrkev Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The dirt sheet is an amazing feature. Things that I've been doing for years thinking that they help the matches, I find are actually making them worse! This is going to change everything! Awesome Adam! Simply awesome! Yeah, apparently 10 minutes is to long for an eye candy based match...I never knew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 It told me that 30 minutes was too long for workers to go All out. Confused, I realized there were new road agent notes, like the Slow Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio3060 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I would almost always use All Out for my main event, I guess now that will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmagoonbt Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Where is this feature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshadeex Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share Posted January 22, 2010 I would almost always use All Out for my main event, I guess now that will change. I know! Right? I would always have all out matches when doing a pure fed, but now I know that was dragging grades down immensely. I ran a match between Don Henderson and Nigel Svensson with decisive victory, open match, all out, call in the ring, it got an E+. I always thought that as long as one worker had a good psychology, the match was better off called in the ring. Dirt sheet told me I was wrong, and so did Donny Damage. So I restarted the match and took off the call in ring note. It bumped up to a D-. Looking at the notes, it said that the match suffered because they went all out, so I took that note off and the grade jumped to a D+! The second match had the same notes and started at a D-. I took the all out note and the call in ring note and it bumped up to a C-! Things that I thought were good absolutely weren't. I LOVE the dirt sheet. Manmagoon: When you start the game, there is a user preference box. It' an option there. If you're in the game, it's in the options tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmagoonbt Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonmack Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I'm still trying to figure out some of the stuff on the dirt sheet. Like how I can make matches the length that correspond for minor, medium and major, and still get notes that I got a negative mark for match length. Even with all this new info, there are still things to experiment with. I like that it isn't always as cut and dried as it would seem on the factors affecting the matches, even with the dirt sheet enabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbergey_2005 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 The biggest thing I worry about with this feature is someone running all kinds of tests and telling us exactly how to run the perfect show. Its nice to know a bit about how a match grades out but if we start knowing too much it would take away the variables that make the outcome exciting. I still havent decided if I want to use this feature or not. IRL a booker can get feedback on a match however the feedback isnt always so cut and dry like the "dirt sheet" notes are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior of Truth Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I think match lengths have to do with the push and skill of the wrestlers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I had always lived by having my Midcarders work 11 minute matches, because it never said at the end "you used X too much on this show", and having three 11(13) minute matches, a 6 minute angle and a 13(15) minute Main Event, I had a perfect hour of TV at an 80% ratio. Now it's telling me that 11 minutes is too long! Has it always been too long? I suppose it has! I like being able to see the crowd and in-ring split again like EWR. It was weird to see the RA Notes say "Excellent crowd reaction" then the Dirt Sheet tell me the match was penalised for playing to a burnt out crowd... but I'm sure I'll get used to it all eventually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Star Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 So, if a dirt sheet note says "the match was penalised for match length" it means it was too long, right? Can it ever mean it was too short? Or am I remembering what the note said incorrectly? And yea, I remember have a 20+ minute main event with the note "go all out" and it didn't work out, I didn't even know there was a slow build note. I'm going to assume that the "go all out" note is now for a shorter match between possibly two very skilled midcarders? Followed by a match for "work the crowd" , then followed by the main event with "slow build" ?? hmm, this is gonna take awhile to figure out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudo_Nym Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I think "Penalized for length" means that it was too short- the fans wanted to see the match keep going, and you stopped before they had their fill. I think it generates an alternate note if its too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I think "Penalized for length" means that it was too short- the fans wanted to see the match keep going, and you stopped before they had their fill. I think it generates an alternate note if its too long. Yeah, I've seen the "too long for the workers involved" or something like that. Run a 30 minute jobber match and you'll see what I'm talking about. As for an "analysis" there are so many friggin variables that I doubt anyone can ever do a "perfect show" for every situation. It's altered by product, worker skills, position on the card, morale, backstage atmosphere etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasoreGatame Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 It told me that 30 minutes was too long for workers to go All out. Confused, I realized there were new road agent notes, like the Slow Build The thing about slow-build was that I had a 32 minute match at the Royal Rumble (Taker vs. Triple H), and used slow build, and the agent's notes said something about they didn't have enough time, and it hurt the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Hmmm... I wonder if Slow Build would be an acceptable RA note to use for the Royal Rumble itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio3060 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 A couple strange notes My battle royal suffered from a bad face/heel division My NOTBPW Championship match suffered from bad itle prestige and also gained from good title prestige It also appears that the expected match lengths are taken into account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I'm still trying to figure out some of the stuff on the dirt sheet. Like how I can make matches the length that correspond for minor, medium and major, and still get notes that I got a negative mark for match length. Dragonmack, nothing has changed in that respect. That section of the product is still for AI use only. You're going to take broadside hits constantly if you try to adhere to those largely arbitrary numbers. The biggest thing I worry about with this feature is someone running all kinds of tests and telling us exactly how to run the perfect show. Too late! So, if a dirt sheet note says "the match was penalised for match length" it means it was too long, right? Can it ever mean it was too short? Often does. The typical note for a match that went too long specifically says so, as far as I remember. And yea, I remember have a 20+ minute main event with the note "go all out" and it didn't work out, I didn't even know there was a slow build note. Oooooo, that means you didn't read the help file. The Dirt Sheet is probably my favorite feature in 2010. Granted, there are going to be some people who will want to keep it turned off. To me, that equates to people wanting to believe the world is flat. As a booker, I want all the information I can get my hands on to improve my performance (and thus, that of my promotion). I want to know that the fans crapped on a worker because they reeked of Jim Beam. I want to know who is rockin' the house by getting the crowd into the show. Heck, since the first beta version I got my hands on, I haven't had 'grades' on a single time (strictly numbers). If you check back in the 05/07 forums, I was one of the 'we don't need numbers, grades are fine!' people. I still believe that. But if I'm given an alternative, I'll explore it and if I like it better (like numbers), I'll use it. It's a tool, just like a screwdriver or a drill (Power tools! *channels Tim Allen*). Got an idea though. Came to me when I thought about how I booked differently from game to game. Remember 'sex sells' angles in 05? What did you typically use them for? I think (but I haven't tested it thoroughly) that if you frontload your hottest angles, it could lead to higher ratings for your later segments due to the hot crowd effect. That seems to get rid of the 'non-existent crowd heat' thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 here is an odd one i have gotten....... in the notes it says the match lifted the crowd in the dirt sheet it got a -for lowering the crowds mood. How is that possible? is it because it was rated lower the the segment before it? I have gotten that in matches a few times that follow an A* segment and the match is a b-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Oh, so my 11 minute midcard matches were actually too short? Weird. About the crowd heat though - my test show opened to a warm crowd. Could be random, or based on Promotion Momentum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capelli King Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 wait a second, where is the dirt sheet:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 the dirst sheet is turned off by default. Took me a few games to realize that one. go to preferences and uncheck the turned off box. then when you book a show there is a box called dirt sheet at the bottom of the screen in the resaults area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris hbk Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 The biggest thing I worry about with this feature is someone running all kinds of tests and telling us exactly how to run the perfect show. Its nice to know a bit about how a match grades out but if we start knowing too much it would take away the variables that make the outcome exciting. I still havent decided if I want to use this feature or not. IRL a booker can get feedback on a match however the feedback isnt always so cut and dry like the "dirt sheet" notes are. I made a similar comment regarding ability grades / percentages. IRL you wouldn't know that one guys ability was 95, and anothers was 96. You'd just have them down in your head as both being an A*. Thats why I like the sound of TEW10, it seems to leave a lot of the choices up to you. You can turn off what you don't like, and everyone can have the game THEY want without great huge arguments in the suggestion forum about which persons opinion is the 'right' way it MUST be done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 While the dirt sheet is a really good feature I think it could still be improved. I would like to know how big of an impact a certain event had. Even a division to simple Major and Minor effects would be a welcome addition in my books. Or would this make it to easy for the user to achieve the skills required to be a great booker? At the moment the dirt sheet raises as many questions as it answers... How much is his poor gimmick hurting his matches? How much does it lower the grade to have T-Rex work for 8 minutes? <e> A totally unrelated question: Who is the admin of this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwefc83 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 i performed my mainevent to a (crnt remember the exact wording) hot crowd but the dirt sheet it said my match was penalised for being shown to a cold crowd!!! how does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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