SGRaaize Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 There are too many wrestlers I need to get 27 minutes of angles and 63 minutes of matches, so, with a Main Event of 14-24 minutes (with the non-wrestling time included) and 14 for the medium match (with the non-wrestling time included), I get 25-35 minutes left to book, and I'm supposed to fill in the roster of 37 workers in the card Even with 20 more minutes for Dark Matches (Which I always use in a 4-8-8 minutes fashion), its clearly not enough to get all my important roster and build new stars, specially with at least 4 storylines involved in the middle There's always someone angry at the end, or, alternatively, the midcarder-enhancement portion of my roster is ignored What should I do(besides firing workers, of course)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 There are too many wrestlers I need to get 27 minutes of angles and 63 minutes of matches, so, with a Main Event of 14-24 minutes (with the non-wrestling time included) and 14 for the medium match (with the non-wrestling time included), I get 25-35 minutes left to book, and I'm supposed to fill in the roster of 37 workers in the card Even with 20 more minutes for Dark Matches (Which I always use in a 4-8-8 minutes fashion), its clearly not enough to get all my important roster and build new stars, specially with at least 4 storylines involved in the middle There's always someone angry at the end, or, alternatively, the midcarder-enhancement portion of my roster is ignored What should I do(besides firing workers, of course)? Run shorter matches. There is no need to run matches anywhere near the length you are running them, so make them shorter and you'll be fine. Whenever I've run the SWF in the past, I tend to have 5 matches per 2 hours of TV... with the longest match usually being 15 minutes if it's an even match but most being less than 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGRaaize Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 I also get 5 matches per TV, only my main event and my 2nd best match of the night are long I still get someone angry at me or I still ignore half of my roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedew Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Short matches, shorter angles. With SWF, I book my main event, then get all my main event workers (plus any other storyline workers) booked in angles, then fill out the rest of the card with my midcard doing very short angles and some tag matches. The SWF has 33 active workers at the start i believe, you can get at least 25 of those in whilst still running a realistic card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Jobs To Me Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 pre show battle royals can help too. Multi man matches of any kind since people are on written contracts anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl_Kitsch Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I'm a big believer in the random six man and thrown together tag matches. Nothing like finding out Big Smack Scott and Lobster Warrior have good tag team chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YBDynamo Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 You could always take the cheap way out and make an angle which involves 8 people, but make it short like them playing poker or something. May not completely alleviate the problem, but it might help. Do RAW American Idol, Cornellverse style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 In the demo it might be a littler harder but i say don't focus on midcard and below on your a shows. When the game comes out get a b show.....put all midcard and below on that show and keep upper and above on the main show. I have never had a problem with people getting upset in previous games doing it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Well, after the first couple of months... B SHOW!!! I used SWF for a little over half a year in 2008, and ultimately getting a B show meant that I could book a LOT of the midcard and lower talent on it. Oh, and dark matches... I always tried to squeeze a couple in for every single show, including the dark show. But at just an hour long, I usually felt comfortable with four matches aired on my B show (and typically a pair of dark matches to boot). Lastly, don't forget tag team and mult-person matches. Those really, really help out as well. But pre show battle royales? Those are only for suckers without a B show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben_91 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 That's easy. Turn off the penately for small rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bolton Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I'm a big believer in the random six man and thrown together tag matches. Nothing like finding out Big Smack Scott and Lobster Warrior have good tag team chemistry. That would be such an incredible team. Big Smack Scott can't be carrying that noob Laramee forever you know. But yeah, I'd just run shorter matches, and fill the card full of angles with over workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGRaaize Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 The B-Show idea is great Thanks a lot, guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl_Kitsch Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 The only problem is if Lobby should turn heel or should Smack turn face? A heel Lobster Warrior would be a hoot, but Smack trying not to be insufferable would be fun too. Of course, I could have them both tease turning and then do a double switch, which would help no one. It would be like O. Henry and Vince Russo had a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Jobs To Me Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Well, after the first couple of months... B SHOW!!! I used SWF for a little over half a year in 2008, and ultimately getting a B show meant that I could book a LOT of the midcard and lower talent on it. Oh, and dark matches... I always tried to squeeze a couple in for every single show, including the dark show. But at just an hour long, I usually felt comfortable with four matches aired on my B show (and typically a pair of dark matches to boot). Lastly, don't forget tag team and mult-person matches. Those really, really help out as well. But pre show battle royales? Those are only for suckers without a B show. I pity the fool! Preshow battle royals are great for having one good worker help train 9 mediocre ones! B shows are the real sucker bet, nobody wants to watch 2 jobbers leg hump one another into submission! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Century Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I almost always use six man tag matches in my main events with one Main Eventer on each team with two Midcard and under guys on each team. It helps build overness and helps to stop people from being mad at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Haven't played much 10, but in 08 this was a complete non-issue. For me, SWF's 90 minute show usually translated to about 6 matches, 3 of them getting 10-15 minutes and 3 in the 6-8 minute range. So that's 6 different matches with at least one and maybe 2 tag matches, using around 15 guys right there. Assuming you aren't just booking the same 15 guys over and over every night, it's easy to shuffle midcard and lower guys in and out for losses to the upper card guys in the 6-8 minute matches. Then all you have to do is find something for the poor wrestlers to do. Runaway Train is a bad wrestler, but if he's in one promo or one attack angle every three shows, his morale won't drop. Same with BSS or Kurt Laramee: just give them an angle (it doesn't even need to be that long) every few shows and they're fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigas Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Haven't played much 10, but in 08 this was a complete non-issue. For me, SWF's 90 minute show usually translated to about 6 matches, 3 of them getting 10-15 minutes and 3 in the 6-8 minute range. So that's 6 different matches with at least one and maybe 2 tag matches, using around 15 guys right there. Assuming you aren't just booking the same 15 guys over and over every night, it's easy to shuffle midcard and lower guys in and out for losses to the upper card guys in the 6-8 minute matches. Then all you have to do is find something for the poor wrestlers to do. Runaway Train is a bad wrestler, but if he's in one promo or one attack angle every three shows, his morale won't drop. Same with BSS or Kurt Laramee: just give them an angle (it doesn't even need to be that long) every few shows and they're fine. 2010 is different. They get mad after being left off one show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donners Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 2010 is different. They get mad after being left off one show. Indeed. It is quite frustrating to be on your second show and still getting to grips with a promotion and its workers, and finding that a bunch of them have in-ring penalties because you had no room for them on the last show. Particularly annoying when you have a tight budget, and have to limit the use of some PPA workers. I'm not quite sure the reason for making it so strict. I can't think of major real-life feds where virtually everyone on the roster appears on every card. Hell, just looking at the TNA tapings, there's a fair chunk of the roster who have one or no shows in a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWBSDM Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 You could also book a weekly small event. Lose your house show revenue but then have an extra event to book everyone on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donners Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 You could also book a weekly small event. Lose your house show revenue but then have an extra event to book everyone on. If workers get annoyed at missing a single show, won't they still be annoyed even if they are booked on that extra show? And then won't the people who aren't booked on the extra show be upset about not being on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigilistic Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Eh I can't get worked up if Paul Huntingdon or Robbie Retro gripe about not being booked to wrestle. It'd be like Val Venis or Charlie Haas complaining about not having enough TV time. Focus on your stars and your up-and-comers. And let the rest be grateful for the scraps you feed them. Also, I may end up regretting that outlook... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 In 08 I always ran 6-8-13 minute matches for SWF. Almost all were 6...maybe if I had to highly skilled guys going at it I did a 8, and then the main event always got 8 or 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Eh I can't get worked up if Paul Huntingdon or Robbie Retro gripe about not being booked to wrestle. It'd be like Val Venis or Charlie Haas complaining about not having enough TV time. Focus on your stars and your up-and-comers. And let the rest be grateful for the scraps you feed them. Also, I may end up regretting that outlook... Robbie Retro is awesome! Don't let him fall down...I always use the alt pic of serious Robbie in the blank muscle shirt with the buzzed hair. I rename him Robbie Revolution or something more serious...makes a good team with F.A.G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 2010 is different. They get mad after being left off one show. Indeed. ... I'm not quite sure the reason for making it so strict. I can't think of major real-life feds where virtually everyone on the roster appears on every card. You're both incorrect. Worker's complain about being left off shows based on percentages, based upon their pushes and personality. An opening-level worker with a good personality may have only a 5% chance of complaining - yes, he might complain every single show, and he might complain the first time you leave him off the card, but that's statistically extremely unlikely. You would be very very unfortunate to end up with morale problems with lower-level wrestlers as long as you are using them every few shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWBSDM Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 If workers get annoyed at missing a single show, won't they still be annoyed even if they are booked on that extra show? And then won't the people who aren't booked on the extra show be upset about not being on that? As has been mentioned above by Mr. Ryland, it's not a complaint about missing a single show; it's a cumulative percentage effect. If you have an extra event to split your midcard across then your midcard guys will complain less often, and since you'll be using your main event guys every show anyway, it should cut down on the complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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