oleolekid Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I am working on changing the Dec 2000 mod from 07 to 2010, but one issue is Mask's, as obviously guys who had mask's back then could have lost them and just by going by the pic's of each worker I'll probably miss a **** load. SO if anyone can help by letting me know who did/had wear/worn a mask back then i'd appriciate it. Also if you could include the level the mask's should be att again id be greatful. B T W im running it from mid 2000 not dec 2000 so the more accurate the better, again thanks to anyone who can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleolekid Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 Boy you lot are helpful. Anyway I went through the pics and these are the 93 guys who I saw to have mask's or I knew did either way, can anyone help me with assigning what level to give, some I know myself but again any help would be apriciated. Cuije Angel Azteca El Alebrije Fuerza Guerrera Mil Mascaras La Parka 2 Cibernetico Abismo NEgro Rey Jr Rey Sr Octagon Pentagon Mascara Sagrada 1, 2 & Jr Juvi Xibalba Violencia Vilano's 1-5 Vader Ultimo Dragon Super Parka La Parka 1 Psicosis 1 & 2 Super Dragon Ultimo Rebelde Ultimo Guerrero Universo 2000 Great Sasuke Tiger Mask Tiger Mask 4 Tigre Blanco Tinieblas Jr Super Yens Super Delfin Super Calo Super Astro Starman Sicodelico Jr. Shark Boy Sangre Azteca Safari Reyo Del Jalisco Rayo Del Jailsco Jr. Quicksilver Osamu Matsuda Olimpico Mr. Neibla Mistico Histeria Mephisto Limark Lizmark Jr La Diabolica Kendo Ka Shin Kendo Nagasaki Lyger Johy Hamilton Japanese Pool Boy Hayabusa El Zorro Excalibur Gran Naniwa Halloween Felino Del Wilkes Fantasma El Oriental Dr X Dr Wagner Jr Dos Caras Dos Caras Jr El Pantera El Sagrado El Hijo Del Santo El Hijo Del Solitario El Hijo Del Gladiator El Canek Delirious Damien 666 Blue Panther Bliztkrieg Black Warrior Averno Asian Cougar Atlantis Arkangel De La Muerte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingfan1 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Boy you lot are helpful. Anyway I went through the pics and these are the 93 guys who I saw to have mask's or I knew did either way, can anyone help me with assigning what level to give, some I know myself but again any help would be apriciated. Cuije Angel Azteca El Alebrije Fuerza Guerrera Mil Mascaras La Parka 2 Cibernetico Abismo NEgro Rey Jr Rey Sr Octagon Pentagon Mascara Sagrada 1, 2 & Jr Juvi Xibalba Violencia Vilano's 1-5 Vader Ultimo Dragon Super Parka La Parka 1 Psicosis 1 & 2 Super Dragon Ultimo Rebelde Ultimo Guerrero Universo 2000 Great Sasuke Tiger Mask Tiger Mask 4 Tigre Blanco Tinieblas Jr Super Yens Super Delfin Super Calo Super Astro Starman Sicodelico Jr. Shark Boy Sangre Azteca Safari Reyo Del Jalisco Rayo Del Jailsco Jr. Quicksilver Osamu Matsuda Olimpico Mr. Neibla Mistico Histeria Mephisto Limark Lizmark Jr La Diabolica Kendo Ka Shin Kendo Nagasaki Lyger Johy Hamilton Japanese Pool Boy Hayabusa El Zorro Excalibur Gran Naniwa Halloween Felino Del Wilkes Fantasma El Oriental Dr X Dr Wagner Jr Dos Caras Dos Caras Jr El Pantera El Sagrado El Hijo Del Santo El Hijo Del Solitario El Hijo Del Gladiator El Canek Delirious Damien 666 Blue Panther Bliztkrieg Black Warrior Averno Asian Cougar Atlantis Arkangel De La Muerte Sorry I can't be much help but I just wanted to point out that technically, despite the money hungry, merchandise monger that Vince McMahon is, Rey JR. LOST HIS MASK! Tiger Mask (any and all of them), Hayabusa, Great Sasuke, Jushin Thunder Lyger, Mil Mascaras and Dos Caras I would give Max Rep for on their masks. At Least Great Sasuke for sure, I remember reading an article that said he was elected/appointed ( not sure which ) some " council " type job, which i'm guess is similar to congress in the U.S. since it mentioned the government, In Which he was able to wear his mask even to that job. Ultimo Dragon probably second highest mask prestige. " Loose A Tooth " aka Juventude (sp?) Guererra (sp?) Lost his mask. Vader I wouldn't give that high of a rating for his mask because it wasn't an essential part of his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Of those guys not covered already, I would give legendary or great to El Hijo del Santo, Dr Wagner Jr, Blue Demon Jr, Dos Caras and maybe Los Villanos, Ultimo Guerrero, Rayo de Jalisco, Lizmark etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Boy you lot are helpful. Anyway I went through the pics and these are the 93 guys who I saw to have mask's or I knew did either way, can anyone help me with assigning what level to give, some I know myself but again any help would be apriciated. Or we could just not know. Great attitude to have by the way. I'll be sure to help you in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 This is your mod and your upset that nobody else wants to help YOU with YOUR mod figuring out who YOU need to have masks in YOUR mod? Do you see a theme there? Ask for help if you don't get it then you don't get it. To ask somebody who every wrestler that had masks in December of 2000 is an insane thing. Do you realize how many masked wrestlers there are in the states let alone in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Of those guys not covered already, I would give legendary or great to El Hijo del Santo, Dr Wagner Jr, Blue Demon Jr, Dos Caras and maybe Los Villanos, Ultimo Guerrero, Rayo de Jalisco, Lizmark etc. Legendary to Santo, Wagner, and Blue Demon. All the others are a step below IMO. Also...unless my timeline is screwed up Rey is actually working without a mask at this point if the time is Dec 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YBDynamo Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Also...unless my timeline is screwed up Rey is actually working without a mask at this point if the time is Dec 2000. I think you're right, I believe mysterio lost his mask in early 1999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleolekid Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 I was being sarcastic sorry it don't translate well over the net. Anyway thanks for helping out i'll fix up the mask's later on. Oh btw yeah Rey lost his mask in WCW, as did Juvi & Psicosis 1, but as im going to do it by default they will have their mask's but their WCW alter ego's will be unmasked, as Psicosis and Juvi I think both wore their old mask's or new mask's atleast in other feds once they left WCW and as we all know Rey's been wearing is mask for like 8 years, so it's just easier incase you want to give them their mask'ss back for whatever reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YBDynamo Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I was being sarcastic sorry it don't translate well over the net. Anyway thanks for helping out i'll fix up the mask's later on. Oh btw yeah Rey lost his mask in WCW, as did Juvi & Psicosis 1, but as im going to do it by default they will have their mask's but their WCW alter ego's will be unmasked, as Psicosis and Juvi I think both wore their old mask's or new mask's atleast in other feds once they left WCW and as we all know Rey's been wearing is mask for like 8 years, so it's just easier incase you want to give them their mask'ss back for whatever reason I would definitely give psicosis his mask back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasoreGatame Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Off the top of my head: Fuerza Guerrera - Legendary Mil Mascaras - Legendary La Parka 2 - New Cibernetico - Medium Abismo Negro - Medium Rey Jr - Medium Octagon - Legendary Juvi - Medium Vader - Great Ultimo Dragon - Legendary Super Parka - Medium La Parka 1 - Legendary Psicosis 1 - Medium Super Dragon - New Great Sasuke - Legendary Tiger Mask - Legendary Super Calo - Medium Mr. Neibla - Great Mistico - Wasn't Mistico in 2000 Histeria - Medium Lyger - Legendary Hayabusa - Good El Zorro - New Gran Naniwa - Medium Felino - Medium Dr Wagner Jr - Legendary Dos Caras - Legendary Dos Caras Jr - Medium El Hijo Del Santo - Legendary Blue Panther - Legendary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleolekid Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 Ok so here's how they are set right now. New Cuije Delirious El Zorro Excalibur Japanese Pool Boy Jody Hamilton Super Dragon Weak Angel Azteca Antifax Del Norte El Alebrije La Parka 2 Vader Great Hayabusa Mascara Sagrada 2 Mr. Niebla The 5 Vilano's Ultimo Guerrero Tiger Mask 4 Rayo De Jalisco Lizmark Legendary Blue Demon Jr Blue Panther Dos Caras Dr Wagner Jr El Hijo Del Santo Fuerza Guerrera Jushin Thunder Lyger La Parka Mil Mascaras Octagon Great Sasuke Tiger Mask Ultimo Dragon everyone else is set at medium as a default. I'm working on just tweaking the title histories and everything at the moment, then i'll try fixing up the rosters the way they were at the time, once I do that i'll post the mod if anyone wants it, and if it's cool with the orginal mod's creator, just remember I am only updating and modifing it slightly all credit...and blame goes to D16NJD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtCabana Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Dos Caras jr wore the mask even in MMA in Pride, as far as I know he only took it off for WWE development (damn them) it's debatable that it could be "great" as a spillover from Dos Caras "classic" in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 I seriously think you guys are underestimating what "legendary" is. When you have more "legends" than rookies, you're stacking your stats. Santo, and Blue Demon appeared in comic books, movies, TV shows, and concerts in their masks. Those characters are treated with the same reverence as Mickey Mouseor Santa Claus. They've been an established part of pop culture since the 70s. That's LEGENDARY. I'd include Wagner and Mil Mascaras. But barely. Everyone else in lucha terms is a step below. (especially La Parka. in 2000? no way he's legendary) There's no shame in being great. It makes the legendary status that much more important if less people have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 See I initially would have agreed with you Peter Hilton but then I took a look at how the Cornelleverse does things and there is significantly more legendary masked guys (who are relatively young) than I would have expected which makes me think that "legendary" is not just for the very very super tip top uber over cultural icons which words like legendary naturally conjure up. Just for the purposes of discussion, this is how I would rate masks ... feel free to disagree. I just want to see what people think. I'd pretty much rate legendary as major draws who have had their mask (or inherited one) that has been established for over 20-30 years without being lost. Great would maybe be the top rung of popular masked guys who have established their mask but maybe it just hasn't had the longevity yet to seem important. Medium - Popular young guys, Average and below average masked veterans, Rookies who have inherited a mask. Low - guys who have had their mask for a number of years but are largely opening level acts, not particularly over guys etc. New - Anyone who has had their mask for less than a year or so. Thoughts? Oh yeah also oleolekid, I have to back up the criticisms others have sent your way. If you are making a mod, guess who has to do the work and research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 See I initially would have agreed with you Peter Hilton but then I took a look at how the Cornelleverse does things and there is significantly more legendary masked guys (who are relatively young) than I would have expected which makes me think that "legendary" is not just for the very very super tip top uber over cultural icons which words like legendary naturally conjure up. If this is the case, then I apologize. I will take a look. There's a chance that many of those workers are second and third generation stars though...I haven't really looked at the various mask ranking in CV; still busy playing to fuss with the data yet. EDIT: Hamster is right. CV has seveal masks ranked at legendary that I would never have ranked that high. O well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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