aznironman Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 ******************ALLENVERSE97 3.0********************** ********************BY GEOFF CLARK********************** **********BETA RELEASE DATE: FEBRUARY 13, 2010********** DATABASE: LINK [01.05 MB] PICTURES: LINK [88.30 MB] ***INTRODUCTION*** Using the CornellVerse97 data, created by Derek_B, as a base, this is an 'expansion' of sorts, adding Geoff Clark's own creations to the default database. Many of the characters in the Allenverse are from early days of e-wrestling (1996-2001), slightly tweaked. The name 'Allenverse' comes from Geoff Clark's main e-wrestler, Ace Allen, who in this world, popularity rivals that of Sam Strong. ***BACKSTORY*** Coming Soon on http://www.allenverse.com If you have any questions about any of the workers or promotions, and history about them, feel free to e-mail me at info@allenverse.com. Thanks. ***CREDITS*** MODIFIED WORKER NAMES Derek_B - Adam Edwards/American Elemental ALLENVERSE ADD-ON WORKER PICS AznBlusuazn (Me) - Adam Edwards, Akuma Lee, Blood Dragon, Blue Dragon, Crusher, Dark Dragon, Darren Behemoth, David Edwards, Dwayne Havok, Edgar Edington, Freddy Edwards, Friar, G-Pain, Johnny Lee, Jumbo, Original Dragon, Paul Starr, Psycho Dave, Sumo, Tim Vann, Titantic, Tyson Hollins Harts4Life - Christine Lost, Jon Brett, Miss Frye J Silver - Ace Allen, Alexis Victor, Andrew Tucker, Anthony Kutler, Arthur King, Charlie Steele, DareDevil Kidd, Doc Styles, Holocaust, Kane Washington, Kole Washington, Laundromat, Lex Victor, Lorrie Starr, Magic Fred, Michael Sierra, Randall Brock, Skyscraper, Tim Johansen Marcel Fromage - Big City Guy, TRU Panix04 - Bad Business Backlowe, Bad City Boy, DC Diamond, Infected, Larry Thomas, Michael White, Roy Watters Rage - Chris Johnson, Dennis Williams, Joseph Lost, Justin Sane RingOfHonorGuard - Greater SadisticBlessings - Say Fall Sebsplex - Amoeba, Chris Johansen, Grecian, Marc Leonhart, Sean Holloway Unknown (please contact me if you created) - Illinois VBigB - James Durazzi ***VERSION 3.0 BETA NOTES*** > Conversion from the TEW2008 version and updated stats and new features of TEW2010. > Narratives added. Vital Database Information AllenVerse 1997 3.0 BETA 02 http://www.allenverse.com/random/av3_0_beta2.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted January 27, 2010 Author Share Posted January 27, 2010 Creator's Journal [2010.01.26 16.26] Typically I have always pushed out the AllenVerse "add-on" that compliments the release of the CornellVerse data that is associated with the version of TEW. This year, I'm not going to do that. The CornellVerse has changed so drastically in a different direction versus what I have pictured the AllenVerse to be. IMO, the best AllenVerse was for TEW2005, which I don't believe I even released to the public. Last year, with the help of Derek_B's CornellVerse 97, I released the AllenVerse 97, which I received a lot of PM's and some post on the boards of praise for. I do plan on releasing the TEW2010 version of the Allenverse 97. I have already gotten permission from Derek_B's to use the data when he releases it, which may be a while. I also want to wait a bit after he releases it to ensure that all the bugs and such are fine tuned so I can use the best version of his data to push out the AllenVerse 97 add-on to it. I haven't started on it, because I will be using his stats as a baseline to balance my add on characters to it. This process will take a while to do, especially with the ideas that I have for the mod, which will be slightly different from the CornellVerse timeline. [References] AllenVerse for TEW2007 AllenVerse for TEW2008 AllenVerse 97 for TEW2008 As earlier, I will not be doing an add-on for the CornellVerse 2010, instead I have a different vision. It will take longer, but I will get it done. I was going to try to make the AllenVerse it's own "world" as opposed to an add-on to the existing CornellVerse. I decided against that. I definitely don't have the kind of time I would need to dedicate myself to get that out. On the flipside, the AllenVerse 97 will be based from Derek_B's release of the CornellVerse 97 and will be an add-on as it was for TEW2008. I will keep everyone updated and have a domain set up (http://www.allenverse.com) for all the full history and such for this "universe" if it works out. If anything, backgrounds of the AllenVerse 97 characters and how they are mixed in with the CornellVerse will be available down the line. So everyone stay tuned as I will be updating this thread and things develop. Thank you. [2010.02.09 11.19] I just got my hands on the CornellVerse 97 beta by Derek_B. I will be reviewing the data and seeing how everything is balanced. From there, I begin working on bringing in the new data. Playing the new CornellVerse, I have noticed that there are some duplicate names that conflict with some of the traditional AllenVerse characters. For the sake of preventing confusion, I will simply rename a few of the guys, with the exception of Skyscraper. I will be modifying the CV character named Skyscraper to something similar or just change it to "The Skyscraper". If you have followed the history of the AllenVerse, Skyscraper is a key player in my storyline of the AllenVerse in the 1999/2000 era. As far as pictures, I have many original character pictures that I made myself with rendering software years ago. I have no desire to do it again (as it took too much time and effort). I will be using the "original" AllenVerse picture pack from the TEW2007 release. There will be some duplicate pictures, as I know both Adam and Derek have used the pics for their respective data sets. I will still provide the original credits from the creators of the pics as they were given to me in TEW2007. I am excited about this mod, so I hope you guys are too. This is pretty much the only mod I played for the long stretch between TEW2008 and TEW2010, mainly because it is close to heart, as a lot of the characters allow me to reminisce my e-fed/roleplaying glory years of 1996-2001 as "The Criminal"/"Arrogant" Ace Allen, lol. I will be creating banners for all promotions and narratives. I will be pulling the matches, angles, and storyline files from the TEW2008 version. Narratives will be definitely used. I will have to see what Derek has set down (I'm sure he simulated the fall of the East Coast) and go from that. I'm sure I will get a lot of hate for this, but as I stated in the discussion post below, SWF will fail, as there isn't enough room at the top for CNWF, SWF, and HGC. HGC guys will have outrageous wages to matches it real-life counterpart, but will have a huge budget and a huge boost of momentum. The plan right now is to have SWF start as the only "National" promotion, but it is about to be rocked by some wild incidents (don't want to spoil it). HGC and CNWF will be the on the border of breaking national with a huge wave of momentum. It will be interesting to see how it works. I plan to have the data ready within a few days. Knowing me, I will get it done as soon as I can. There will be a few test games I will run and then there will be a release. Once there is a release, I will start on the official AllenVerse site--- http://www.allenverse.com ---which will outline the history of the AllenVerse characters with bios up to date of where they were as of 2008 (since in my mind that is where the AllenVerse "ends" if you will). Everyone be patient, it is on its way... [2010.02.10 00.40] Well, I have completed the final stages of "alpha". It is a playable mod, but there is still a lot of work that needs to be done. I am running a test game at the moment to test out one of the many narratives I will be throwing into the game. I wanted to say that Adam did a fantastic job with the advancements from TEW2008 to TEW2010. I didn't really see how much of a difference until I started testing. Also, big shout out to Derek_B who didn't an awesome job on the basis for this mod (CornellVerse 97). Anyway, I see a lot of tweaks that need to be done in the first month already. I would say there will probably be a beta release when the next day or two. Lets shoot for Friday/Saturday as far as a beta release. [2010.02.10 10.42] The Narratives look good but I'm having some issues with getting the wanted results. lol. I am gathering more information on the mechanics of the game so I can simulate the wanted result. I will be working on this throughout today, hoping getting it the way I want it. Also events for the additional promotions need to be completed. From there, based on my test sim results, I will see if the data needs to be tweaked any. I look at Friday for graphics (banners, TV, events--maybe not all of them right away, maybe in future releases--and narratives). Then Friday night/Saturday morning for one last round of "alpha" testing and then I will push out a beta. At least that's the schedule. [2010.02.11 00.08] Testing went well this evening. I got all the events I'm going to create for the AV promotions. I finished one of the full narratives today. I'm still testing and tweaking, trying to get the AI to develop the world the way I want it to. Here is a sneak peek at one of the narratives... http://www.allenverse.com/random/random3.png I have done a series of three year test which has helped me with my tweaking. I will be working on more narratives today (Thursday). HOI info will need to be set up as well. I decided against banners and event pics, at least at the moment. The Saturday release date is on schedule. [2010.02.11 08.40] Completed one narrative to the way I want it. Based on a recent test sim at around 3 years in, CNWF books about the way I would want them to, so I am pleased with that. Will be focusing on more narratives today. Will keep everyone posted. [2010.02.12 20.52] Finishing several narratives and doing test sims to make sure they play out right. Still on schedule for beta release tomorrow. [2010.02.13 13.32] BETA 01 released for review. [2010.02.15 10.50] Several tweaks made, mainly for AI and Narratives. BETA 02 released for review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tempest Kane Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Glad to hear that 97 is still going ahead. The other idea is maybe something you can look into down the line , we have atleast a year with this version of the game if not 2 most likely so plenty of time to be creative MAX :: I cant wait to see how Awesome Max play's out with Trenton Evenrud ruleing with an iron fist of dodgy cash . Given Roger Dodger's recent trip to the fountain of youth i would say he was realy young during this era and is still on the MAX roster, make him perhaps Evenrud's oliver to Trenton's faigan... big push, big problems, but loyal to Evenrud so that when everyone else leaves he can be used as a basis to keep the company going... make him a solid worker but still very much learning i guess. Id like MAX to be a company that some how stays alive even tho it should die every game ... Give them a huge biase to hireing young naive talent via a dojo or something ... Archangle needs a bit of a boost, in my mind he will go on to become a huge star and im not sure his skills ever reflected that... maybe base him on Wolf Hawkin or Sammy Batch. Chris Gordon ... yeah this guy needs some major love. I get his whole deal is he is a mark that got hired... but no body can be THAT bad... throw some D's on'em! CNWF ... I would like to see the Capital National Wrestling Federation reject its history and re-brand to National Wrestling Federation (i do this myself every time i play them anyway... so if you dont want to do this thats fine ) anyway if you do... Logo :: http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss39/Kamchatka863/NWF.jpg Banner :: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4779/nwfbanner.jpg TV Shows :: http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6114/nwfshowcase.jpghttp://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3315/nwfrev.jpg World Title :: http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n230/jhall2129/TEW%20Title%20Belts/NWFWorld.jpg TV Title :: http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n230/jhall2129/TEW%20Title%20Belts/NWFWorldTV.jpg Tag Titles :: http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n230/jhall2129/TEW%20Title%20Belts/NWFWorldTag.jpg Credits : Kamchatka & Reaper Again thats your call, im just giving you the tools to do it if you want them. Paul Starr needs to find the fountain of youth, atleast later 30s or something... we still need the old guy. Dennis Williams needs some children if he dosnt already, they dont need to be very old yet since the db allows you to put them in at 6 i think (?) now... but they should be awesome prospects, perhaps based on the Keith/Gauge brothers, i like the idea that Dennis gets himself screwed by Ace Allen ala Brett Hart but instead of having a stroke goes back to Canada to raise the next generation like his father had... maybe a whole pack of them. Maybe for a future promotion that will debut around the time his kids are ready to go. That said if your going to give Dennis some children... it seems only right you would give Ace Allen himself some future children, Now he is only 25... but he seems like the type of guy who might have some illigitimate children pop up down the way... Outkast needs some love, needs some cardio... say D+ maybe C- stam, and if he is indeed big sexy is the basis of this guy i would suggest giving him B+ psycology, despite the rest of his skills that will make him a very useful cast member... and nash was seriously under rated in the psycology department, it was his body that limited him, not his mind. HWO Randill Brock and Tommy Styles need to be toned down skill wise a fair bit, i love to hire both of them and push them hard... dont get me wrong i love them both, but i just dont accept they are *that* good given their lot in life... thats just my take on it. HWO also needs a Cactus Jack style toon and i think i would like to see a tag team expansion here, infact i would like them to have a pretty strong tag division with some interesting teams to boot, i think thats an under rated part of what made ECW a success. Besides the Killaz need someone to make them look good. Im thinking a Team 3D, Nasty Boys and some pretty boy tag team of some kind ... well as a basis anyway. HGC Id love to see Arthur King find a fountain of youth... not too much... just enough to make him relavent for another 4-5 years, if Ric Flair can walk out on iMPACT in 2010... i dono, maybe im wrong about this one... maybe he should be old, im not sure now. Triple E , drop his perfomance and physical skills slightly and increase his technical to D's maybe. I see him as a big star ... but not yet, he's 21... and he needs to still have room to grow as the game unfolds, the same is true of scott leonhart and many of the other up and commers who realy need their stats jigged down a fair bit... the only person who i would say is excempt from this is Ace Allen, and by doing this you will make Ace seem like a bigger more special deal all round... as he should be... And while im on that note, Arthur King should be the bench mark of what the very very best workers skills should be set that (-15% for age decline effects) , im very passionate about this mod, but i think at times the tops stars stats are way way too high when you consider them against Arthur King who in my mind is supposed to have been the greatest of all time... it isnt a deal breaker but i think you could look into this a bit. Dont be afraid to set people lower than you think they are in your mind... their is room for growth as the game unfolds. (Look at Tommy Cornell for an example of what an potentialy awesome guy might look like backscaled...) SWF :: Alex Pierce is getting old, true... but he needs more solid perfomance skills if he is going to be a real gatekeeper. Recce Clark needs more starpower, B or B- maybe. Menace increase and stiffness increase. mMm... So yeah just a few things i figured id throw out there, feel free to take/ignore anything i said for whatever its worth. 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aznironman Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm glad there is anticipation for this mod. I really have just designed it for my own enjoyment, although CV2010 is pretty interesting itself. The AllenVerse add-ons from 2007/2008 just wouldn't fit in the CV2010 world. Anyway, Tempest, I looked over your recommendations last night, and I thought I'd shed some light on what to expect from the AV97. I will be converting all of the workers and promotions of Derek_B's CV97 and reviewing those. All AV97 add-on characters will be balanced within the boundaries of the CV97 universe. With that said, obviously, individuals of the likes of Arthur King will be higher than the average worker, consider that he is a legend of the 80's and, although he is reaching the end of his career, he can still out perform 90% of the workers in the world. Ace Allen will obviously be a diamond that everyone knows is destine to be #1. Unfortunately, no 'foundations of youth' here. I have everyone's age set for reasons. Besides, the way Adam has explained the retirement system, as long as the worker has a high pay check and is motivated, he will prolong retirement (Arthur King). Paul Starr is at the age he is, because he is supposed to be at the end of his career. He paid his dues via the indies for many years and is finally making it to the big time ... at the end lol. CNWF - Sorry, not changing the name. It is to pay homage to the original founder of the e-fed that I participated in during the mid-90's and its promoter Lex Victor. The promotion will start with extremely high momentum as it is on the brink of breaking from cult to national. Obviously, Charlie 'Outkast' Steele is being set up the lose. He will be the champ, but I will start his momentum low. After having a hot champion like Dennis Williams for almost a year, with Williams putting out very good to excellent matches during his reign with just about everyone on the roster, the thought of putting the belt on Outkast, who, let's face it, may be ultra charismatic, but has three moves and a menacing look, you can't expect the fans to accept that. The whole reason Outkast even has the belt is politics. The Allen/Williams rivalry got to the point where Allen convinced Victor that his boy Outkast needed a title run, to setup a match between Allen/Outkast (storyline line of best friends battling for the gold) doing the line. Low momentum and poor matches will hopefully cause the AI (or you as the booker) to put the belt on Doomsday or Williams, then push Outkast down the card. Or you can do as Victor's counterpart would, and shove Outkast down the fans throats, forcing everyone to accept it. I expect that Slasher Sierra's alcohol problem will be spotlighted with the new features of the game. Expect these two to make it through the year and then jump to HGC. Paul Starr and Ace Allen are definitely the two that are expected to carry the company. The former 'June 1998' event between Williams/Allen may be moved to December 1997 at CNWF In The End or January 1998 at CNWF Genesis, as I will be adjusting Williams' contract to end by then. The Hatred between himself and Allen with the Strong Dislike between himself and Victor will cause him (hopefully) not to resign and jump to HGC for the big bucks. Dwayne Havok will be altered to already be on the active roster as 'Solo', a white meat babyface, with 0 momentum. The point of his character is for him to have a heel turn and begin his legacy as 'Havok', the most electrifying man in sports entertainment... complete with the People's Elbow (lol). There will be a narrative for him in the late 90's that will send him popularity to the top, so I hope everyone takes advantage of his A* Star Quality and book him correctly. Keep an eye on Anthony Kutler. He should be at the top of the cards within the year. SWF - Something that I experimented with TEW2008, and it worked out well, in my opinion. SWF lovers will hate me, but I will be setting up SWF to pretty much fail. With the implementation of narratives, this will be much easier. In my test with TEW2008, I would just start them deep in the negative and then first day use the editor to kill their popularity. 6 months, they would be done. In TEW2010, I will be setting up a series of narratives that will kill off the SWF. I don't want to ruin it for everyone, but I will try to keep the story interesting. It should all take place in the few first months. I would strongly suggest that no one play as SWF, unless you just want to. The AV isn't "big enough" for CNWF/SWF/HGC... someone has to go. lol HGC - All I have to say being able to set starting wages will be strongly taken advantage of! Previously in TEW2008, every time a worker was signed to HGC, I would basically go into the editor and adjust their wages. And no matter how successful HGC would be as for as popularity, they would always go into bankruptcy around 2001-2002. I am trying to get more information on how the AI contract wages works, like if the worst workers have a $200k contract, will all new workers start at a minimum of $200k? If so, then HGC can work as its real life counterpart. Like all workers, "Triple E" will be balanced with the rest of the world, but he is supposed to be a standout talent, just like his real life counterpart was during the mid-90s. Expect HGC to be full of talent, yet out of control with spending. HWO - Tommy Styles & Randall Brock ... They are supposed to be as good as they are so they can go to CNWF or HGC. In the 2007/2008 version of the AV, those two have made it to the top spots in CNWF. I'm going to work on the rosters a bit to make the promotion more balanced, definitely with more tag team expansion involved. Since SWF is going to be restructured, you may see a lot more SWF guys, the Perfect Storm, the Blazing Flames, etc. in HWO. I will probably remove the 'developmental' pact between CNWF/HWO and have LACW be the developmental territory (as opposed to starting in 2001). I will have to put more thought into this of how I'm going to alter my own history, since the 2007/2008/2010 data will cease to exist from this point on. AWF - Definitely going to bring in SWF guys here. AWF, similar to what USPW had been up until TEW2010, has been very underrated. Their product and position in the regional/cult borderline gives them the chance to really be a force. If you can fight your way up through the talent raids that anyone who has played a high regional/cult promotion runs in to, and take CNWF/HGC/SWF cast offs (in other words, talents that will never be going back to those promotions) and make them into superstars of AWF, then it could be the next 'big thing'. Other News Allen will definitely have kids. Two of them (as I do in real life lol) and there will be at least one Williams kid as well. Everyone watch for 'Mr. Tough Guy' James Durazzi and Grecian. There are the future of the business. All other countries aren't really touched. I may add more 'new' promotions. Not sure yet. Stay tuned for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Post #3 updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Truth be told i have the allenverse url on bookmark, have been checking it every day to see if there was any update, atleast now i know that will come after the mod Im a total mark for the allenverse, more so than i'am even the default data and i cant wait for this to drop, that said im seeing alot of modders rushing out their mods and the finished products are far far from playable long term so while im marking out for this... as i said to derekb the other day id much rather you take the time to realy do this right than jump to finish it. Im always shocked by how few people jump on the Allenverse threads, its simply a fantastic data set, and i think alot of the "real world only" players would fall in love with this even if they didnt like the orignal cornellverse as this is very close to the comfort zone most real world players trend towards. Regards the re-use of toon names and pictures, i would suggest you give each of the guys in question an alt with there real name's (or real names you made up for them) and maybe have the bio read that they recently decided to starting going by there real name or something? Or you could have the cornellverse version set to friendship with the allenvese version and have the cornellverse version die before the game starts and have bio notes that the name is used in tribute... or something like that. (btw, i didnt mean to take your 2nd post spot, i was just in a hurry to post as i was so excited !!! , i have deleted my first post in this thread so your update post should now be #2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Truth be told i have the allenverse url on bookmark, have been checking it every day to see if there was any update, atleast now i know that will come after the mod Im a total mark for the allenverse, more so than i'am even the default data and i cant wait for this to drop, that said im seeing alot of modders rushing out their mods and the finished products are far far from playable long term so while im marking out for this... as i said to derekb the other day id much rather you take the time to realy do this right than jump to finish it. Im always shocked by how few people jump on the Allenverse threads, its simply a fantastic data set, and i think alot of the "real world only" players would fall in love with this even if they didnt like the orignal cornellverse as this is very close to the comfort zone most real world players trend towards. Regards the re-use of toon names and pictures, i would suggest you give each of the guys in question an alt with there real name's (or real names you made up for them) and maybe have the bio read that they recently decided to starting going by there real name or something? Or you could have the cornellverse version set to friendship with the allenvese version and have the cornellverse version die before the game starts and have bio notes that the name is used in tribute... or something like that. (btw, i didnt mean to take your 2nd post spot, i was just in a hurry to post as i was so excited !!! , i have deleted my first post in this thread so your update post should now be #2). Thanks for the enthusiasm. I'm not going to kill off any workers just because they have another worker's name (lol). I have been thinking of alternate name since my last post, so I think I have it all mapped out. The website will probably be last. I want to focus on the data and getting it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 Updated Journal on Post #2. In summary, beta release will be either Friday/Saturday. Random Thoughts Narratives are AWESOME! NEW will be removed as SWF developmental... you will see why when you start a game. Can I get feedback on CZCW being HGC developmental? Both on the west coast. CZCW has a lot of talent that would end up in HGC based on the TEW2004/2005 rosters. What do y'all think? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 If your asking me, and i assume you are, its a good fit on paper, but HGC dosnt strike me as a company that has its own best interests for the future in mind, its about the hear and now, the big money spending, wheeling dealing juganought, i almost think of HGC as having this arrogance about them that if they wanted someone they would just buy them , everyone has a price right? Im just not sure i buy the concept of HGC having a developmental terratory coz i just dont think they were smart enough to invest in the future like that... That said if i was going to give them one it would likely be CZCW with a minor perfomance based changed to there product. Something inside tells me HGC would just buy NEW thinking "if it works for SWF ill throw some money at it and have it for myself... hahaha...." and then ending up with a ton of entertainment based goofs who cant work a match as a result, eaither way i think when the game starts HGC needs to be in a world of trouble to make it entertaining for the player to try and keep them on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 Something inside tells me HGC would just buy NEW thinking "if it works for SWF ill throw some money at it and have it for myself... hahaha...." and then ending up with a ton of entertainment based goofs who cant work a match as a result, eaither way i think when the game starts HGC needs to be in a world of trouble to make it entertaining for the player to try and keep them on track. I will put some thought into it. Thanks for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 Journal Updated in Post #2 Side Notes: The Narrative feature is just awesome. Funny thing, Ace Allen suffered a Broken Neck in May 1997 after successfully defending the CNWF Continental Title against... Psycho Dave! 12 months, 1 week... It's one of the sim test games I have going. I am interested to see how it affects Allen's career. Other than that, I am pleased at the moment, but there is more work that needs to be done. Narratives are allow a lot of character expanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Journal Updated on Post #2 Been sick for the last day and a half. Worked heavily on narratives. I would advise anyone who plays this NOT to play as SWF and be cautious with HGC. Expect beta release tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Awesome. Hope to set aside a few hours to take a good look at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Beta 01 Released! FEEDBACK PLEASE! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Downloading, cant wait to see how the narratives play out the story First problem : Error: TCW Total Mayhem would fall on the same day as another show from the same promotion , crit error when starting new game. I fixed this by setting Total Mayhem back to May when it is in the default data... (Just another day was the other PPV in march for the record books) Had to re-name the pictures folder and reset it in the editor, the game dosnt seem to like the "-pictures" name. Roman Heidenseik needs a picture. European World Class Wrestling needs a logo. CNWF's bio reads that Victor walked out of his CNWF deal and a few months later started CNWF... this needs to be changed to walked out of SWF deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Downloading, cant wait to see how the narratives play out the story First problem : Error: TCW Total Mayhem would fall on the same day as another show from the same promotion , crit error when starting new game. I fixed this by setting Total Mayhem back to May when it is in the default data... (Just another day was the other PPV in march for the record books) Roman Heidenseik needs a picture. European World Class Wrestling needs a logo. CNWF's bio reads that Victor walked out of his CNWF deal and a few months later started CNWF... this needs to be changed to walked out of SWF deal. All corrected. The TCW PPVs were the last thing I did before I uploaded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Had to re-name the pictures folder and reset it in the editor, the game dosnt seem to like the "-pictures" name. Yeah, I was thinking this is kind of understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Ace Allen - I think his selling is too high, HBK maybe able to sell like a god when he wants but at this point in ace's career i dont belive he's selling for people to A* qualitys, B+ , i also think he might be a little toughter given his time in HWO , C+ maybe. Anthony Kutler - I think it would be interesting if he was a little more reckless, he seems like a guy who lives his gimmick... can he be a little less safe with his opponents? Make him a great talent with a bad attitude that stinks up the terratory and possible injurys your top guys , Id go as low as C- with this... Carl Smith - I think of him as a great announcer so A* is fine, but maybe he is a southern accent and his Mic skills are closer to B+ as a result ? he just seems a little over powered at A* mic Chris Johnson - His perfomance skills are all a little high, yes he tagged with Ace Allen but i think in my mind atleast Allen out perfomed him and outshon him during this period, i would drop his Psychology to A, Selling to B+ , Safety to B- (maybe this is the reason Victor let him go from his contract the first time round???) , he would still be a very solid upper midcarder skill wise... Crusher - A Sex Appeal ??? perhaps its just the picture of this guy but im thinking monster heel, im not thinking sexy boy... He's an avarage worker but he has been doing squash's for the last year or so, i would increase his intensity to low c's , maybe raise his star quality slightly (C+) since the company sees enough in him to book him to squash's for a year. Dennis Williams - Far too sexy, B- ... Stamina needs to be atleast B+ IF he is to work the classic iron man matchs with Ace Allen i see in my mind, i agree with his Matt and Chain skill levels but i would lower his Submissions to the B+ area, he dosnt need to be amazing at them with the other 2 at A*... even if his finisher is a sub... i think this guy's respect is way lower than it should be also, Doc Styles - Again another guy who's perfomance skills i question, He is one of my fav Allenverse toons to book so i say this with hesitation but if his perfomance skills were B- instead of A* he would still be an excellent member of the midcard roster, and he would still be carrying the undercard to good solid matchs, he dosnt need to be that high in any stats... not when he's been setup to be in the spot he is in, id drop his star quality to the C's and raise his stiffness and respect to B- Doomsday - Id want to raise his stiffness to match his brawling a bit more (B), i think his Basics should be lower (B)... despite how great of a match Taker can put on with a guy his actual basics got much better in the last 10 years, in 97 he still had a ways to go, i know this isnt exacly a real world clone but as a basis i think he can still stand to lose some basics, Consistancy could use to drop to B+ witch would still be more than fine. Jumbo - Psycology needs to be droped to B- , this would explain why he's tagged with veteran sumo and still will allow him to have a good match, His stamina is low for a reason i understand but you can get this point across and make him more useable with something around D+ , less safety, more power, less basics, more brawl. Miss Lorrie - Id tone down her sx appeal to represent the fact she's about to hit 40 and that has to have dimished returns Im shocked by her selling... but i can buy that with Paul as her husband and the fact she might take bumps at ring side... Resilence is way to high tho, C- would be the max id give her... Outkast - We wont agree on this one im sure, as you have a way you want his title run to play out.. but the guy has to atleast have D- stamina... E+ he would be gassed by the time his entrance is done , I also think he has alot more power, and if he's green... alot more stiff.... im also tempted to suggest a slight increase in hardcore, since once this guys title reign is over im going to be forced to resort to blading his skull to bits to get him over , small increase to resiliance maybe. Paul Starr - Far too sexy for 41, Needs to be stiffer if he's playing a reality based gimmick as a bad ass... intensity is fine but safety might want to come down to B ranges, i know it sounds like i want some talent to get hurt by constantly suggesting lower safety but i just dont think these guys should be so safe given age/other factors like work style. Pycho Dave - Stamina again... D- , also please give this guy some hardcore skills, he's winding how his career, great look, good gimmick, not realy getting over... seems like the type of guy who goes the extra mile and comes off the top of a cage into some thumbtacts to make sure his legacy is in tact on the way out... Shinryu - Entertainment skills need slightly toneing down, nobody should be that good and set to be a manger as a primary skill set, if he's going to end up third chair on an announce team fine... but even then B+ would be more than enough to be great.. Sumo - Id drop his star quality if hes going to rot away in the tag team division anyway, and drop his basics to B and selling to B- , psychology of A would be more fitting, another A* that just dosnt need to be A* in my book simply due to the placing of the guy on the roster and the likelyhood he's never going to go back up the card.. or work with the top guys. If he was they wouldnt of put him over doomsday, pulled his title reign back and let him moved himself down the card like that.. right? Skysrapper - is far too young in my book to have A pyscology , same with his acting and mic, everything else is fine but leaving room for growth and setting his potential to high is a better option in my book at 22. Is he a meance ? he's a big guy yes.. but i dont think he should have high Menace, i think he's more your wholesome giant... doomed to be a babyface for life due to his good looks and youth. Im sure ill post more later, as always agree/disagree as you wish, in general i just feel some of the stats are higher than they need to be in order for the toons in question to still be great... in comparison to there cornellverse counter parts. (PS: Andrew Tucker = Unemployed? Some guys who need pics... Barren Von Rambis Womenizer Robbie Gordon Magnum Johnson Ethan Thompson Action Jackson Alasi Tua Prince Jafar Bud Miller Eisaku Kunomasu Jerry Marone Kano Shizuna Lamprecht The Lunatic Pedro Ortiz Top Cat Aguila Bishima Chris Candle Dream Girl Eclipse El Aguila Americana Frank DeLoach Nuzzle Bunny Shane Vandross Andrew Brookfield Babylon Keiko Fujinami Richard Blood Samson Granger Skeeter Colquhoun Day 1 of a watchers game i noticed SWF let 17 people go inc Tommy Cornell (this makes more sense on day 2 ) , Danny Bruce the Hotbodys, Gene Curtis, Ric Young, Jezz McArthuer, Reece Clark and Chief Two Eagles... mMm. Day 2: Do CNWF go from Cult to International as a result of narratives or the B rated show they put on ? ... wonder how they fair long term, if they bounce bettwen int/cult every 6 months or not. Some days later: LMAO @ Freddy Kappers reveals all , lol lol. Is this cverse 97 stuff or things you added ontop? Some more days later: Want to buy more info on the heat bettwen Lex and Tommy... it makes sense to have them set like that so he signs with HGC but some backstory would be awesome beyond the awesome "job quality" narrative ... at F Prestige, F Momentum SWF 'When hell freezes over' still did and A rating with Sam Keith going over Faith to retain the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Ace Allen - I think his selling is too high, HBK maybe able to sell like a god when he wants but at this point in ace's career i dont belive he's selling for people to A* qualitys, B+ , i also think he might be a little toughter given his time in HWO , C+ maybe. Sorry, no changing it. Anthony Kutler - I think it would be interesting if he was a little more reckless, he seems like a guy who lives his gimmick... can he be a little less safe with his opponents? Make him a great talent with a bad attitude that stinks up the terratory and possible injurys your top guys , Id go as low as C- with this... Dude is a complete jerk in the locker room, but isn't going to hurt anyone in the ring is supposed to be a talent that will rival Allen in legendary status for the next decade or so. Carl Smith - I think of him as a great announcer so A* is fine, but maybe he is a southern accent and his Mic skills are closer to B+ as a result ? he just seems a little over powered at A* mic Not a Southerner. He worked Boston in his early career. He is the best in the business and will be until he leaves the business. Chris Johnson - His perfomance skills are all a little high, yes he tagged with Ace Allen but i think in my mind atleast Allen out perfomed him and outshon him during this period, i would drop his Psychology to A, Selling to B+ , Safety to B- (maybe this is the reason Victor let him go from his contract the first time round???) , he would still be a very solid upper midcarder skill wise... He's not Marty Jannetty. He's more of a Chris Benoit, given his past, that tagged with Allen. He just doesn't have the charisma that Allen has (which would be the reasoning behind Victor dropping him). Crusher - A Sex Appeal ??? perhaps its just the picture of this guy but im thinking monster heel, im not thinking sexy boy... He's an avarage worker but he has been doing squash's for the last year or so, i would increase his intensity to low c's , maybe raise his star quality slightly (C+) since the company sees enough in him to book him to squash's for a year. Sex Appeal adjusted. Dennis Williams - Far too sexy, B- ... Stamina needs to be atleast B+ IF he is to work the classic iron man matchs with Ace Allen i see in my mind, i agree with his Matt and Chain skill levels but i would lower his Submissions to the B+ area, he dosnt need to be amazing at them with the other 2 at A*... even if his finisher is a sub... i think this guy's respect is way lower than it should be also, Sex Appeal adjusted. The guy trained with the Stones in Canada and worked heavy technicial/submissions early in his career. Respect is low because although he's a great worker, he hasn't always came off the best way with the locker room. Doc Styles - Again another guy who's perfomance skills i question, He is one of my fav Allenverse toons to book so i say this with hesitation but if his perfomance skills were B- instead of A* he would still be an excellent member of the midcard roster, and he would still be carrying the undercard to good solid matchs, he dosnt need to be that high in any stats... not when he's been setup to be in the spot he is in, id drop his star quality to the C's and raise his stiffness and respect to B- I adjusted him some. Doomsday - Id want to raise his stiffness to match his brawling a bit more (B), i think his Basics should be lower (B)... despite how great of a match Taker can put on with a guy his actual basics got much better in the last 10 years, in 97 he still had a ways to go, i know this isnt exacly a real world clone but as a basis i think he can still stand to lose some basics, Consistancy could use to drop to B+ witch would still be more than fine. Made some adjustments. Stiffness doesn't necessarily mean that the punches don't look real, but rather how they are pulled. From what I understand, ideally the perfect stat is around the 50's (doesn't look fake and isn't hitting them for real). Payne is a seasoned vet and is reaching the best of his skill set. Jumbo - Psycology needs to be droped to B- , this would explain why he's tagged with veteran sumo and still will allow him to have a good match, His stamina is low for a reason i understand but you can get this point across and make him more useable with something around D+ , less safety, more power, less basics, more brawl. Adjusted. Miss Lorrie - Id tone down her sx appeal to represent the fact she's about to hit 40 and that has to have dimished returns Im shocked by her selling... but i can buy that with Paul as her husband and the fact she might take bumps at ring side... Resilence is way to high tho, C- would be the max id give her... She is the original diva of sports entertainment. Think Miss Elizabeth. Even when she reached up in age, she still had sex appeal. This is a fantasy world (lol). I make some adjustments. Outkast - We wont agree on this one im sure, as you have a way you want his title run to play out.. but the guy has to atleast have D- stamina... E+ he would be gassed by the time his entrance is done , I also think he has alot more power, and if he's green... alot more stiff.... im also tempted to suggest a slight increase in hardcore, since once this guys title reign is over im going to be forced to resort to blading his skull to bits to get him over , small increase to resiliance maybe. I can't think of anyone that wants to see Kevin Nash go beyond 10-15 minutes. Even in his prime, Diesel v. Michaels at WM11, about 15-20 minutes in, Nash was blowing up, gasping for air. Stamina isn't moving. All the sim test have had Outkast holding the CNWF belt for almost 2 years, before going to HGC and holding their belt and then returning to CNWF for another shot at the title, so I'm sure his charisma will keep him over. Paul Starr - Far too sexy for 41, Needs to be stiffer if he's playing a reality based gimmick as a bad ass... intensity is fine but safety might want to come down to B ranges, i know it sounds like i want some talent to get hurt by constantly suggesting lower safety but i just dont think these guys should be so safe given age/other factors like work style. Starr has been in the business for a long time, just now getting his break. It would be insane to say he can't be safe in the ring. Workers like Jake Roberts or even Vader (not saying Starr is modeled after either of these) past their primes were some of the safest workers in the ring. Pycho Dave - Stamina again... D- , also please give this guy some hardcore skills, he's winding how his career, great look, good gimmick, not realy getting over... seems like the type of guy who goes the extra mile and comes off the top of a cage into some thumbtacts to make sure his legacy is in tact on the way out... Gave him some hardcore, but stamina stays the same. See Outkast and think Sid Vicious. Shinryu - Entertainment skills need slightly toneing down, nobody should be that good and set to be a manger as a primary skill set, if he's going to end up third chair on an announce team fine... but even then B+ would be more than enough to be great.. Adjusted some. Sumo - Id drop his star quality if hes going to rot away in the tag team division anyway, and drop his basics to B and selling to B- , psychology of A would be more fitting, another A* that just dosnt need to be A* in my book simply due to the placing of the guy on the roster and the likelyhood he's never going to go back up the card.. or work with the top guys. If he was they wouldnt of put him over doomsday, pulled his title reign back and let him moved himself down the card like that.. right? The Duel Disasters reign should be ending around this time. In the test sims and the way I have played the AV in the past, I break off the team and then have Sumo get one more run at the top. In the test I have done, Sumo usually get one more world title reign whether it is CNWF or HGC. Skysrapper - is far too young in my book to have A pyscology , same with his acting and mic, everything else is fine but leaving room for growth and setting his potential to high is a better option in my book at 22. Is he a meance ? he's a big guy yes.. but i dont think he should have high Menace, i think he's more your wholesome giant... doomed to be a babyface for life due to his good looks and youth. He is supposed to be super unique. He's a dedication to a e-fed guy I used to know. Im sure ill post more later, as always agree/disagree as you wish, in general i just feel some of the stats are higher than they need to be in order for the toons in question to still be great... in comparison to there cornellverse counter parts. Thanks for the feedback. PS: Andrew Tucker = Unemployed? Yep. Some guys who need pics... Barren Von Rambis Womenizer Robbie Gordon Magnum Johnson Ethan Thompson Action Jackson Alasi Tua Prince Jafar Bud Miller Eisaku Kunomasu Jerry Marone Kano Shizuna Lamprecht The Lunatic Pedro Ortiz Top Cat Aguila Bishima Chris Candle Dream Girl Eclipse El Aguila Americana Frank DeLoach Nuzzle Bunny Shane Vandross Andrew Brookfield Babylon Keiko Fujinami Richard Blood Samson Granger Skeeter Colquhoun Other than Kunomasu, I don't have pics for these characters. There are a group of 'random' pics that you can use. These characters were created by Derek_B for his CV97. Thanks again hope you enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 Day 1 of a watchers game i noticed SWF let 17 people go inc Tommy Cornell (this makes more sense on day 2 ) , Danny Bruce the Hotbodys, Gene Curtis, Ric Young, Jezz McArthuer, Reece Clark and Chief Two Eagles... mMm. Day 2: Do CNWF go from Cult to International as a result of narratives or the B rated show they put on ? ... wonder how they fair long term, if they bounce bettwen int/cult every 6 months or not. They start needing +1% overness in any US location for Cult->International. Some Test Sims have them drop to cult when HGC gets heavy on a roll, but they always make it back. Some days later: LMAO @ Freddy Kappers reveals all , lol lol. Is this cverse 97 stuff or things you added ontop? The only CV97 narrative was the AMW and it was incomplete. I added a whole lot into the narratives. Some more days later: Want to buy more info on the heat bettwen Lex and Tommy... it makes sense to have them set like that so he signs with HGC but some backstory would be awesome beyond the awesome "job quality" narrative ... at F Prestige, F Momentum SWF 'When hell freezes over' still did and A rating with Sam Keith going over Faith to retain the title. The heat between Victor/Tommy is lays down everything for 5 years down the road... SWF should still have A rating shows with the talent they have but they aren't going to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The nara about CNWF stars been on a tv show dosnt fit, on the news page or when clicked, "Promo spot for the CNWF Destiny 4 Pay-Per-View. There......." is were it ends. , the idea is good tho , should give CNWF enough populairty to make it at that level. CNWF continue to sign up just about every talent that can walk to a ring... Destiny does a 1.91 / 8,160 / B from Hawaii of all places... Starr, Black Hat Bailey and Williams vs Allen, Dave and Kutler to a no contest (B+) in the main event with the co-main event been Outkast over Doomsday in a B rated match... wow talk about raising someones game. Nemesis jumped ship in the 2nd or 3rd week, his nara with Eisen has continued as if he is still part of the company, i dont think this hurts things but it would be very easy to re-word the naratives to make it irelevant if he was still signed or not by the time they 'air' ... Sunday Week 2 Febuary - Ace Allen Dead At 25 ... ... ...... ........ Hit by lighting twice in quick succesion... tributes from friends and colleagues have been pouring in all day... Not alot you can do about that, kenny deaths + bad luck Sam Keith jumps ship the very next day , current SWF champ. (Edit: Correction he drops the title to Alex Pierce on his last show). (A) , the title is hot shotted to Bruce The Giant a few shows later... zero defenses. Bruce got hurt the very next show.. This isnt looking good for SWF Tommy Cornell continues to turn down PGHW due to his loyalty to the HGC (this isnt set as a relationship note of any kind, but its good that he's doing so anyway...) Tommy Styles is having (A) matchs with Phillip Roberts in HWO (march). The Trial is awesome. But i cant help but think maybe Strong should take a popularity hit as a result of the whole thing? You should put an alt request in for Eisen behind bars... use the ager or something to change his pic to behind bars, even tho he stays as owner of SWF i could buy him controling it via the phone lines Mafia boss style. The AMW stuff is realy entertaining, amsing to watch it spiral down to doom in a blaze of not so much glory , good story telling. Makes me want to try and save it... Liberty , Cobra and Bryan Vessey have had the HGC heavyweight title upto October... 6 defenses each for the first 2... Cobra seems like a weird choice but the other 2 make sense. CNWF fall back to cult in October after going Global in August... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 You should restart game on principal. You cannot have the star of the database die within the first months of the game. Strong's popularity is invincible. LOL. But stay tuned to HGC it's gets interesting. Cornell has HGC loyalty preset before the game starts to prevent any of the overseas promotions signing him away early in the game. I'll probably work o the verbiage of some of the narratives. I'm running another test sim game as we speak to check out the changes I made. AMW and SWF are complete no go games to play. And let's just say HGC is doomed though it's not immediately obvious. CNWF falling to cult will continue to happen early on because of the talent that HGC has... They lose the national battle every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Kane Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Nov WK3 - Bubbles the clown wins the Wars of Wars title... Im sure Doomsday loved that. December WK1 , CANN pull CNWF's tv show Inferno. (The show continues despite this in other tv markets i assume since the show is still run every week regardless) Sumo and Outkast's contracts come up... Sumo re-signs... Outkast turns CNWF down sometime in december. This is likely the reason your seeing Sumo get another run in your sims i guess. Psycho Dave took the title from Outkast on his way out. Wrestler of the year : Arthur King Young wrestler of the year : Sean McFly Veteran wrestler of the year : Rip Chord Female wrestler of the year : Sensational Ogiwara Promotion of the year : HGC Most improved promotion of the year : GCG Match of the year : Freddy Kapers over Rip Chord on Hollyweird TV January Show of the year : Hollyweird TV December Top 25: 1997 Arthur King Dread Sam Keith Payne MacLeod Christian Faith Rip Chord Tommy Styles Liberty Sam Strong Dan Stone Jr Freddy Kapers Dennis Williams Greater (Wtf?) Optimus Sean McFly Nemesis Hito Ichihara Dennis Butler Rory McCallum Yoshifusa Maeda Haruki Kudo Paul Star Koryusai Kitoaji Cobra Duane Stone side note: the constant use of dirty tricks (failed use) by CNWF is totaly burying them... D+ // D in january 98. (For anyone reading this later, im useing the orignal beta and its already out-of-date data by the time of this posting, Ace Allen is also dead due to a Kenny Death, i will sim all this again with the new data soon). Edit Edit : Slasher Sierra beat Pyscho Dave for the heavyweight title, WK4 January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznironman Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 Big Charlie is designed to leave CNWF at the end of his contract. He and Slasher are supposed to jump to HGC for the big bucks. CNWF playing dirty trick is exactly correct. Lex Victor's character would take shots every chance he got. Greater should be in the top 25. He's one of the best big men in the business and his tag with Dread makes them top rated. I'm away from my system right now but I'm trying to sim up to 2007ish to see if all the narratives played out. Keep posting and anyone else feel free to post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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