So, what does it take...

[Antithesis]

to sign away talent from the SWF?

 

First few months into a game, playing as TCW; Runaway Train, Angry Gilmore, and Rich Money contracts all came up.

 

I, of course, put in to negotiate and none of them will even sit down at the table and talk figures. All of them refer to the war between SWF and TCW as a reason for not even negotiating, but I can't find anything any where stating that being at war with another promotion precludes signing their talent.

 

What gives?

[makarok]

If I remember correctly, it is their prestige being higher that does this. Not 100% sure though.

[Antithesis]

Aight did some testing.

 

Went back made a new game with the war with SWF not included.

 

Redid the contracts for Angry, Rich, Jack G and Jack B, Marc, and Runaway Train.

 

All refused to negotiate, this time citing that joining TCW would be a bad career move.

 

No mention of the war at all.

[The Shape]

What're you like size/popularity wise? Presuming they're at global now it's gonna be difficult to make them effectively take a step down.

[Antithesis]

Default settings for size/pop

 

TCW starts at national, SWF at international

 

TCW Prestige at B-

 

SWF prestige at A

 

Again I understand if they don't sign, but I thought you could still get talent to at least negotiate (to create scenarios where I overpay someone by a lot thereby creating drama in the locker room) Coulda swore that was a feature. I suppose in that regard it doesn't apply to the SWF talent though, at least to start out with.

[Tempest Kane]

Has anyone tried this the other way around? Does playing SWF provide any hireing problems the AI isnt expirancing?

[Antithesis]

Default settings for size/pop

 

TCW starts at national, SWF at international

 

TCW Prestige at B-

 

SWF prestige at A

 

Again I understand if they don't sign, but I thought you could still get talent to at least negotiate (to create scenarios where I overpay someone by a lot thereby creating drama in the locker room) Coulda swore that was a feature. I suppose in that regard it doesn't apply to the SWF talent though, at least to start out with.

 

And just to add, i put a full ten points into my avatar's negotiation user talent

[Antithesis]

Trying SWf out now.

 

No War going. default settings. Signed Aaron Andrews, Danny Fonzarelli, Bryan Vessey away from TCW.

 

Wolf Hawkins rejected negotiations sighting that he wanted to concentrate on his TCW career.

 

Win one for Cornell I guess.

[LoNdOn]

Default settings for size/pop

 

TCW starts at national, SWF at international

 

TCW Prestige at B-

 

SWF prestige at A

 

Again I understand if they don't sign, but I thought you could still get talent to at least negotiate (to create scenarios where I overpay someone by a lot thereby creating drama in the locker room) Coulda swore that was a feature. I suppose in that regard it doesn't apply to the SWF talent though, at least to start out with.

 

To save the hassle just raid NOTB. It is a step up for them

[praguepride]

Yeah, it comes down to the HUGE prestige difference.

 

B- compared to A is a pretty big jump. If you can get within a point or two of them, they might be willing.

 

You "should" be able to get people unhappy with SWF or that SWF are not renewing. I "believe" that if you're getting that message, they're going to be renewed.

 

It would be a bug in the code if they said they wouldn't negotiate with you and then are still let go from SWF.

[Lt. Lucrativo]

I remember asking this question about 2008, and if I recall correctly, it was SWF's higher prestige that made it virtually impossible for TCW to steal any of its talent. I have to say I was hoping that with the addition of negotiating battles between multiple promotions in 2010 it would be possible for promotions at war with one another to steal talent, but it seems like the less prestigious promotion will still almost always be blocked from even making an offer.

 

As Antithesis mentions, it seems like this system precludes the player from experiencing a lot of potentially interesting situations. What would happen if, as TCW, I offer Marc Dubois 10k/month more than SWF is willing to and throw in creative control and a main event title run? Surely an SWF midcarder, especially one with a mercenary personality, would have to consider an offer like that. And what if he accepted it? Now as TCW I would have deal with the effects of having an overpaid, overpushed outsider join the roster and immediately jump over a bunch of long term workers into title contention. Particularly with 2010's emphasis on backstage morale, that sounds like a fairly interesting situation to try to manage. And what effect would losing one of its future superstars have on SWF? I seem to recall that having workers stolen would impact company momentum, at the least. But if Dubois won't even listen to an offer, none of this can happen.

 

I don't know . . . to me it seems like one of the features of a war between two promotions should be constant attempts to poach talent by both sides. If only one side has any chance to successfully steal talent, that hardly seems like much of a war at all.

 

That said, the prestige gap between SWF and TCW at the start of the game is pretty massive. I haven't played long enough to find out whether I'll be able to bring any SWF talent to the negotiating table after expanding TCW to International and consequently closing that gap significantly. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's farther into a TCW game than I am whether they've been able to attempt to steal anyone from SWF with both companies being at International size and TCW's prestige being in the B+ range rather than the B- range.

[praguepride]

Remember backstage politics plays heavily into it too. Hire their friends & family and make your backstage area as inviting as possible.

 

I don't know if it effects their willingness to jump ship but I HAVE seen it come into play when SWF tries raiding my roster.

[Gigas]

Yeah, kinda disappointed that the cult feds/TCW cant break the bank open for some of SWFs talent. Defeats the purpose of war if the only one who can win is SWF.

[The-619]

I'm pretty disappointed by this, getting the game I was under the assumption that workers would be willing to jump ship for more dollars or say a midcard SWF talent getting a guarrenteed main event title reign in TCW. For a real world example, Christian jumping ship to TNA for a better schedule and what could've come into it is finally getting the chance to shine in the main event scene and then jumping back to the WWE for a higher paid contract.

[The Shape]

Yeah it's a shame, although in this case the schedule thing doesn't apply as they have to work twice as hard with tcw