MrSelfDestruct Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 what did you guys think of the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I liked it, I really loved the Robbie Lawler fight. I thought for sure he was going to lose and then bam he won. I kind of wished that the women's bout was not as one-sided as it turned out to be. I mean is there a women on this planet that can be Cyborg? That woman is a beast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKenwyne Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Don't like Strikeforce BROADCASTs, but the card was fun. Lots of brutality, only a little dissapointed there weren't any properly technical BJJ fights - I didn't pay to watch boxing... I sort of pity DREAM now. Two of their big name, popular fighters go back to Japan with their name values well and truely soiled, Zaromskis and Manhoef can't hack it stateside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSelfDestruct Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 Don't like Strikeforce BROADCASTs, but the card was fun. Lots of brutality, only a little dissapointed there weren't any properly technical BJJ fights - I didn't pay to watch boxing... I sort of pity DREAM now. Two of their big name, popular fighters go back to Japan with their name values well and truely soiled, Zaromskis and Manhoef can't hack it stateside. i think manhoef had a great performance. hes always beenone of my favorites. i hope to see him back soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Don't like Strikeforce BROADCASTs, but the card was fun. Lots of brutality, only a little dissapointed there weren't any properly technical BJJ fights - I didn't pay to watch boxing... I sort of pity DREAM now. Two of their big name, popular fighters go back to Japan with their name values well and truely soiled, Zaromskis and Manhoef can't hack it stateside. I am not a fan of the way Mauro Ranallo calls fights. That guy just annoys the hell out of me! To me he never really says anything of substance. I like Quadros and Shamrock, but I could do without Mauro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSelfDestruct Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share Posted January 31, 2010 I am not a fan of the way Mauro Ranallo calls fights. That guy just annoys the hell out of me! To me he never really says anything of substance. I like Quadros and Shamrock, but I could do without Mauro. quadros seems like he wants to always talk, like when hes talking to the others on camera, his mouth opens like hes gunna talk then it shuts, over and over, thats really annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Not a bad show. Not great, not as good as their CBS show, but could have been alot worse. Lashley-Simms was what it was, another confidence booster for Lashley. Not the sort of fight you want to see on the televised portion of a card, but the point is that it attracts attention and half the people watching won't have known how bad Simms is. Walker-Nagy was a train-wreck of a fight. Lots of people are being very critical of it, but really - if you expected anything else then I don't know what to tell you Thats what happens when you put a nearly 50-year old guy with no professional fights in the ring with a bottom of the barrell scrub. Still, it garnered a ton of attention, which was the whole point. Cyborg looked very tentative last night. Thats fine, but female MMA is at a point where they need to be having the best fight on the card, or at the very least a champion who is blasting through all commers in the first round. Lawler/Manhoef was exactly as advertised. Personally painful to watch as Melvin is an aquaintence of mine - but thats just how he fights. Someone was getting their lights turned out in that fight, just so happened that Melvin pulled the short straw. Decent main event, Nick looked tricky as always. Too many people buying into the Zaromskis hype going in, but I guess that's all been settled now. For me, the main points comming out of the show are: - Who does Diaz fight next? Scott Coker said last night that Hayato Sakurai will more than likely get a title shot before Jay Hieron. The only upside to this is that Sakurai will take a royal whipping from Nick, but it's an otherwise pointless fight. It says alot for Strikeforce's oppinion of Hieron that they want to put a guy comming off two decisive losses (including a KO against the guy Diaz dropped last night) before him in the pecking order. He's a boring fighter, granted. But he's also a free agent. If I'm Hieron, I'm calling Dana for a second shot in the UFC. - Scott Coker wants to put Lashley in with Brett Rogers next. Lots of upside for Bobby, *if* he takes the fight. - Strikeforce have plans for 20 shows this year. With one down and three more locked in between now and April, that leaves 16 shows between May and December. I can think of about four or five interesting fights they can put on in that time frame. Bottom line is that they don't have the roster for that kind of schedule. Here's hoping they settle for a 10-12 event year and build from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 I sort of pity DREAM now. Two of their big name, popular fighters go back to Japan with their name values well and truely soiled, Zaromskis and Manhoef can't hack it stateside. Neither guys are 'draw' guys in Dream. They didn't expect Zaromskis to do as well as he did last year and were stuck with what to do with him, so much so that they let him fight last night instead of putting him on the NYE event. They're doing the 'Little Cro-Cop' thing (they show clips of Mirko in Marius' promo vids), but he's not a game-changer for them yet. Melvin, as awful as it sounds, is promoted as a sideshow in Dream. They promote him in the image of an African jungle savage - a hugely outdated racial stereotype that alot of black fighters in Japan have been burdened with. Still, sucks to have your champ comming off a loss. I've never understood why Japanese promotions are so willing to stick their champions in non-title bouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyman Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 There's a part of me that hopes Walker decides he's happy to accomplish what he's accomplished and retires from MMA...but the MMA fan in me kind of wants to see him get in there with a real MMA fighter and get Johnnie Morton'ed. Nothing he can't recover from, but a nice overnight stay in a hospital to make him realize what a damn fool he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 There's a part of me that hopes Walker decides he's happy to accomplish what he's accomplished and retires from MMA...but the MMA fan in me kind of wants to see him get in there with a real MMA fighter and get Johnnie Morton'ed. Nothing he can't recover from, but a nice overnight stay in a hospital to make him realize what a damn fool he is. How is he a 'damn fool'? He knows his limitations, he's said repeatedly that he is never going to be a champion or a recognised MMA fighter, he just wants to fight guys who are starting out like him and see where it takes him. The MMA fan in you wants to see a guy who has been nothing but respectful to the sport put in hospital? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 The Walker fight was terrible but blame Showtime/Strikeforce and not the guy himself. Also basically agreeing with what was said above. Strikeforce aren't doing a very good job at building contenders and right now it feels like the network's pressuring them into building cards as they come instead of having any kind of longterm plans. That's what happens when the network can veto you but I hope SF makes it out okay and can start properly booking. Lashley/Sims had a bad stoppage but really he was fighting a fat Wes Sims with a week's preparation there was no way he was going to lose. Manhoef/Lawler kinda owned and while I'm sad to see Manhoef lose he did it in a spectacular way. Walker/Nagy good god man Santos/Coenen was pretty good, certainly a lot better than the Gina fight. Zaromskis was apparently not the guy to figure out Diaz's striking. He's not very good at defending strikes so I dunno what I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyman Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 How is he a 'damn fool'? He knows his limitations, he's said repeatedly that he is never going to be a champion or a recognised MMA fighter, he just wants to fight guys who are starting out like him and see where it takes him. The MMA fan in you wants to see a guy who has been nothing but respectful to the sport put in hospital? Wow. Somebody's sarcasm detector is a little faulty I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I don't think the Lashley/Sims stoppage was uncalled for, Sims was lying flat on his stomach and lashley had mounted him, no way he was getting out of that and he was already eating shots. Could the ref have let Lashley punch him more to knock out Wes? Sure, but the refs job is to protect people and he was already scrambling, woozy, and didnt even have his hands over his head so what do you expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Somebody's sarcasm detector is a little faulty I see. Seem's like somebody else can't convey sarcasm, or said something uncalled for, got called on it and pulled the "I was being sarcastic" card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I don't think the Lashley/Sims stoppage was uncalled for, Sims was lying flat on his stomach and lashley had mounted him, no way he was getting out of that and he was already eating shots. Could the ref have let Lashley punch him more to knock out Wes? Sure, but the refs job is to protect people and he was already scrambling, woozy, and didnt even have his hands over his head so what do you expect. Exactly. Flopping on your belly with your arms out isn't 'intelligent' defence. Wes has nothing to complain about really - he's just doing what he does best, making a joke of the situation to draw attention to himself. He's claiming that Bobby thumb-choked him as well, and that some wrestler's that are mutual friends of him and Bobby told him that Lashley was on the sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I don't think the Lashley/Sims stoppage was uncalled for, Sims was lying flat on his stomach and lashley had mounted him, no way he was getting out of that and he was already eating shots. Could the ref have let Lashley punch him more to knock out Wes? Sure, but the refs job is to protect people and he was already scrambling, woozy, and didnt even have his hands over his head so what do you expect. He stayed in that position for about two seconds before the ref called it though, and all the punches were hitting his hands. I don't think he'd make it out because he's Wes Sims but he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 He stayed in that position for about two seconds before the ref called it though, and all the punches were hitting his hands. I don't think he'd make it out because he's Wes Sims but he deserves the benefit of the doubt. 1:27 in. He flops and the last two big shots hit him blind on the head. It's a fair stoppage. The ref could have let him take another shot or two; but whats the point? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I8PnHx3xOQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 1:27 in. He flops and the last two big shots hit him blind on the head. It's a fair stoppage. The ref could have let him take another shot or two; but whats the point? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I8PnHx3xOQ Exactly. He flopped on his stomach for no reason at all. That's almost as good as tapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 After rewatching it, the way he flops down looks like he got KO'd so I can understand if the ref thought he was legit out instead of stopping it by TKO, one minute he is on his knees then its just like his legs give out on him, it wasn't like he was trying to roll over and Lashley stopped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 1:27 in. He flops and the last two big shots hit him blind on the head. It's a fair stoppage. The ref could have let him take another shot or two; but whats the point? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I8PnHx3xOQ The hammerfist landed clean, the other shot didn't. Lashley wasn't actually in backmount when he threw it either. But it's mostly about the benefit of the doubt. I'm not contesting that Lashley won and I get that you like him, but it was a premature stoppage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 The hammerfist landed clean, the other shot didn't. Lashley wasn't actually in backmount when he threw it either. But it's mostly about the benefit of the doubt. I'm not contesting that Lashley won and I get that you like him, but it was a premature stoppage. They looked clean to me. Besides, when your head is on the floor and someone hits it, covering your head with your hand does absolutly nothing to soften the blow, because there is nowhere for your head to move. Thats why you so often see stoppages when guys are covering up. From the Unified Rules: the opponent is unable to intelligently defend himself from attacks, which may occur as quickly as a few seconds A stoppage is only premature if the fighter is intelligently defending. Whichever way you want to cut it, flopping onto your belly with your arms at the side, even for a second or two, isn't intelligent defence. The unified rules clearly state that fighters must intelligently defend at all times, this is reiterated in the fighter's dressing room and again before the fight. Even if Simms had his hands completely covering his head, it's not considered intelligent defence unless he is making an effort to improve his possition. I've been on both John McCarthy and Grant Waterman's courses, and a fighter's ability to improve possition and prevent damage is the key factor taken into account when judging a stoppage. It's all well and good saying "give him the benefit of the doubt" but I've yet to come across anyone who thought the outcome of that possition was in any doubt. There's a difference between giving someone the benefit of the doubt and letting them get hit a few more times just to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Lashley had only one leg trapped and Sims had been in that position, what, three seconds? I'm not saying I want them to bash each other's brains out, but I feel like Sims wasn't given a fair chance to scramble to a better position when he wasn't hurt. That's all. vOv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Lashley had only one leg trapped and Sims had been in that position, what, three seconds? I'm not saying I want them to bash each other's brains out, but I feel like Sims wasn't given a fair chance to scramble to a better position when he wasn't hurt. That's all. vOv He was given a chance to scramble and he flopped to his stomach and covered his head. Not intelligently defending himself. Good stoppage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 He was given a chance to scramble and he flopped to his stomach and covered his head. Not intelligently defending himself. Good stoppage. Well we're not gonna agree on this so let's just drop it. Apparently they're going to give the next WW title shot to Mach instead of, you know, a guy who's had a win in Strikeforce or didn't lost his last two fights (Hieron). I don't see how that's good business. People aren't going to keep tuning in to [Champion] beats [unknown fighter]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 For w/e reason they dont like Hieron, I understand things have happened for him not to get a title shot but like Diaz said, why should he fight a fighter that wasn't even on the live broadcast? So for w/e reason Strikeforce hasn't been prepping him for a title shot otherwise he would have been on the main card btw im not saying i agree with the challenger, just how for w/e Strikeforce doesnt seem to like Hieron after "promising" him a title shot when he first signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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