EricAdams Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I just started a game with BHOTWG and I simply don't get it. The best match I can get is a B, in fact I actually booked a whole PPV that was solid Bs straight down even with a huge main event. I'm purposely keeping my champ away from the big guys in the INSPIRE faction because they're going to go after the belt eventually, but that's gonna be a slow burn. I don't get why I can't get more than a B with these guys. Now, I'm assuming the big stat I need from my workers is Puro (Mullet Power has solid Fs in pure) and Psychology, all of which my workers have in spades. Normally I wouldn't complain about a B show but in Japan that's bringing down my company and I went from a B+ to a B in my home area. If you need me to answer more questions, go ahead and ask but I was trying to keep it general because other people have to be having this problem. EDIT: One last thing how do I offer dev contracts or renew them? So far I'm just offering written ones and sending workers down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I just started a game with BHOTWG and I simply don't get it. The best match I can get is a B, in fact I actually booked a whole PPV that was solid Bs straight down even with a huge main event. I'm purposely keeping my champ away from the big guys in the INSPIRE faction because they're going to go after the belt eventually, but that's gonna be a slow burn. I don't get why I can't get more than a B with these guys. Now, I'm assuming the big stat I need from my workers is Puro (Mullet Power has solid Fs in pure) and Psychology, all of which my workers have in spades. Normally I wouldn't complain about a B show but in Japan that's bringing down my company and I went from a B+ to a B in my home area. If you need me to answer more questions, go ahead and ask but I was trying to keep it general because other people have to be having this problem. EDIT: One last thing how do I offer dev contracts or renew them? So far I'm just offering written ones and sending workers down. Step 1: Read the help files... you probably have, but it never hurts Step 2: Use the Dirt Sheet. It can tell you what you are doing right or wrong far more easily than we can since it's giving you direct feedback. I always sign development guys to written deals too but there should be an option in the written/PPA section for development, though you'll need to pick a child promotion to send them too. I actually prefer doing it they way you are though, dunno why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Would B shows not be enough to maintain your level at national? I believe it is with both SWF and TCW in the US...? As Derek says, its hard to know where you could do better with the matches without a lot more detail. Check the Dirt Sheet and see where it says you are having issues. Once you have that information, if you still aren't sure, then you have more specific questions to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAdams Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 In my main everyone was penalized for holding back. I think I need to hold off on slow build main events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Are you making sure guys in the main have high momentum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantaloons Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 In my main everyone was penalized for holding back. I think I need to hold off on slow build main events. Guys hold back slightly for all non-PPV events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 In my main everyone was penalized for holding back. I think I need to hold off on slow build main events. Its been mentioned a few times. The "holding back" thing happens outside of big events. So a puro promotion is going to get it on tour shows, the same way North American promotions get it on TV events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAdams Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 Are you making sure guys in the main have high momentum? Bs through As. I've been playing TEW for a long time and I'm really at a loss as to why BHOTWG is going so poorly for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 How long are your matches? I second the Dirt Sheet suggestion, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAdams Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 You guys are bonkers if you don't think I haven't been pouring over the dirt sheet. Nothing consistent is pulling my matches down. In fact, I'm getting bonuses in a lot of places, far more than any negatives. PLUS good chemistry. In two months thanks to consistent B and B- shows throughout Japan I drop to Cult. I'm not getting any negatives for match times unless I do an opener all-out junior six man that goes maybe 9 or 10 and I usually get a C+ out of it. It just blows my mind that openers get C+ and then my headline matches where two guys with A overness/momentum go 40 for a title with a clean finish and I get a B on it. There's practically no spread. Is anyone having success booking this promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Edwards Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 is the Prefect Show Theory turned on as you can't just put B-A+ on the whole show or the crowd will get burned out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAdams Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 is the Prefect Show Theory turned on as you can't just put B-A+ on the whole show or the crowd will get burned out Off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAdams Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 Should I not be using any open matches? I use them for just about every match in BH because I want matches to be competitive. No such thing as squashes in puro for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Try it without that booking note. It could be making a difference. I'm also curious about whether others who are running BHOTWG have the same issue. Maybe its just problems with inconsistency in the main event scene or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricAdams Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 I started a new game, clean slate and booked the first PPV fresh and with Perfect Show Theory off booked a bombshell of a show, putting Nakasawa and Kikkawa against each other in the main, wasting a huge match immediately and it got a B+. Once again everything else was solid Bs with a whole variety of relevant booking notes. Open on and off, keeping people strong in some and not in others, etc. Still, straight Bs. Final show rating was a B+ but then I'm back to where I was, giving my top draw other challengers which will lead to solid Bs again which will lead to cult. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 Try it without all the booking notes. Just pick a winner. See what the result is with that. Those notes, even if they are relevant and have worked in past games, might be what's causing issues. Do a show with just the most very basic road agent notes, just to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernalmiko Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I'm going to do some testing when I get home. First thing that jumped out at me was that BH is very close to dropping to cult at the start of the game. They need six regions at C+ or better, and have B+, B-, C+, C+, C+, C+. I think I'll have to pay alot of attention to every region until I get some wiggle room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I'd be using open match and slow build in the main ONLY, and as Bigpapa suggests, avoiding RA notes for other matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Open Matches aren't necessarily something you want. An open match would mean, if I understand it correctly, that it doesn't use the basic psychology of a wrestling match of shine-heat-comeback, it's more back and forth, which isn't necessarily something you want to over-ride your show with, because the crowd will grow tired of it fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 1. Long, long matches. 2. 'Call in ring' booking note with workers who have B- or better in psychology and 'Slow build' aswell (With matches that are approximately longer than 20mins). That's all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 1. Long, long matches. 2. 'Call in ring' booking note with workers who have B- or better in psychology and 'Slow build' aswell (With matches that are approximately longer than 20mins). That's all you need. Listen to this guy. While its moreso with Garbage companies, I think FIN might be the closest thing to an expert on C-Verse Japan. But, having spent some time with QUEST in the old 1975 mod, and actually doing not so shabby with it... I have a few ideas. 1. I like the perfect show theory. It forces you to use your entire roster and not just splurge your best guys every show. 2. As he said, long matches. Sure, you can get away with T-Rex in a 10 minute main event in USPW, but in Puro company your big main events should be AT LEAST twenty minutes, though typically the longer the better. Had two guys have a couple of matches in QUEST get a B and a B- in matches building up to their final showdown at the PPV. That match? 40 minutes and netted an A rating. But the ups and down of perfect show theory, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) can help propel the rating of the main event up should you book properly. Which means instead of aiming to get B matches across the board, sprinkle in two or three matches you figure will get about a Cish and see how that works out with the PST on. But really, what FIN said: Call In Ring with the guys that are talented enough to do so, and more important matches should, ideally, be very, very, very, very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kainlock Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Open Matches aren't necessarily something you want. An open match would mean, if I understand it correctly, that it doesn't use the basic psychology of a wrestling match of shine-heat-comeback, it's more back and forth, which isn't necessarily something you want to over-ride your show with, because the crowd will grow tired of it fast. anyone know if this is accurate. This will change alot of my bookings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Actually a lot of matches in Puroresu are quite 'open match' -based. Think it like this: Japanese wrestling fans hate squash matches compares to the competitive matches which they love. I'd actually encourage the using of 'Open match' rather than discourage it but don't quote me on that About the lenghts: This concerns performance biased promotions, these are the maximum match lenghts (approximately): Enhancement talent/Opener can go 6-8min without the penalty of the match being long, Low. Midcarders can go about 10min, Midcarders can go 15-18 depending who they are facing. Upper Midcarders can go 30-40 and there are no limits for the Main eventers. All your main event calibre matches with Upper Midcarders/Main eventers should go atleast +40 minutes by default, depending on the Performance stats (Basics, psychology, selling) and Stamina levels.Performance biased products are all about Performance skills. @Comradebot: Wow, thanks. That's a huge honour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsmeister Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 @Comradebot: Wow, thanks. That's a huge honour I second what Comradebot said as I followed your 'guide' diary for TEW08 with GCG and WEXXV and it helped me get into the japanese scene in the cornellverse and helped with approaching and booking them. I hope one day you do a similar diary with TCW or USPW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernalmiko Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 So far in testing best show I had was a solid B+, with the Kikkawa/Naksawa main event nerarly getting a A-. Masuko/Toshusai v. Cobra/Dragon also got a B+. This was a Big Show card so I felt free to put on best matchups. but otherwise there was no storyline or other elements to try to bolster the matchs. I've also gotten a B+ from Nakasawa/Okazaki v. Takayuki Avatar (misclicked)/ Hamacho in another main event. This was just a quick test without me booking carefully or building storylines. So lots of B's seems normal but I'm sure with proper booking it can go even higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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