StealthGD Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 As some may know I have taken over FurtureLegends mod and one of the things I see is the mixture of real names and stage names in editor. I am someone who likes continuity so I would prefer one or the other. What do you all think because I want to make user friendly and want to know what the majority wants so I don't go back and forth. Please give me your opinion so I can get these changes made for at least the TNA and WWE for my next update on Friday. So it Real, Stage, Mixture of both or it doesn't matter. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatallylost Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Personally, I try to use real names as often as possible. But, I think mixed is best. Cause, you know, most people will know Adam Copeland is Edge, but, how many people know who Mark Lomonaco is? That's how I've gone about it with mine. It'll end up being whichever would be easiest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I use the notion to name someone as what name they will use if they were not in a promotion. Brother Ray for example, owns that name, so should he be out of TNA he wouldnt use Mark Lomanco, he's use Brother Ray, but he cant use Bubba Ray Dudley unless he's in WWE (hence the point to alter egos.) If Edge left WWE, he couldnt wrestle as Edge, he'd have to be Adam Copeland (or some other name announced later) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatallylost Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I use the notion to name someone as what name they will use if they were not in a promotion. Brother Ray for example, owns that name, so should he be out of TNA he wouldnt use Mark Lomanco, he's use Brother Ray, but he cant use Bubba Ray Dudley unless he's in WWE (hence the point to alter egos.) If Edge left WWE, he couldnt wrestle as Edge, he'd have to be Adam Copeland (or some other name announced later) True that. I went through a phase of trying to rename all the people I could under their real names. Then, I had no idea what their names were later on. But, your point would be the best example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Personally I think it depends .. the most common stage name is for me the most logical but won't always be the right choice. Generally though, if a person has never performed under their real name there is not much reason to use it in the database as it just makes the worker hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bombadil Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Like I said in the topic, I prefer stage names. I would rather have help figuring out who people are than the added smidge of realism of having the "right" name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Bombard Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I agree with MrCanada, I would like to see them by either their real name, or by the name they would go by if they left whatever promotion they were in. I guess it's because I've gotten used to it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthGD Posted February 4, 2010 Author Share Posted February 4, 2010 Thanks for the feedback guys. Looks like it need to be a mixture of both while also working on alter egos also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yes, mixed is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I know I'm in the minority but I HATE the use of real names in a mod. In real life wresters don't even call each other by real names. I know people (i used to be one of them) are all over the trademark issue, but this is a game, not real life. If I'm playing a game and I open up TNA to see who their current champions are I would rather see Undertaker and Edge than Mark Calloway and Adam Copeland. Personally I go by a house rule where if I sign a guy I must come up with a new name for him, but I do that to force myself to be creative and make the game more fun. Lets face it a lot of people if they sign guys away from WWE are going to want to use the WWE names anyway. And putting real names isn't going to change that, its only going to make it that much harder to look at other promotions and to find workers. The exception to this would be someone like Mick Foley or Sean Waltman who have worked under their real names as well as a ton of different gimmick names. If you absolutely are against using WWE names then at least use previous gimmick names such as Mean Mark Callous and Sexton Hardcastle. But hey, thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthGD Posted February 4, 2010 Author Share Posted February 4, 2010 I know I'm in the minority but I HATE the use of real names in a mod. In real life wresters don't even call each other by real names. I know people (i used to be one of them) are all over the trademark issue, but this is a game, not real life. If I'm playing a game and I open up TNA to see who their current champions are I would rather see Undertaker and Edge than Mark Calloway and Adam Copeland. Personally I go by a house rule where if I sign a guy I must come up with a new name for him, but I do that to force myself to be creative and make the game more fun. Lets face it a lot of people if they sign guys away from WWE are going to want to use the WWE names anyway. And putting real names isn't going to change that, its only going to make it that much harder to look at other promotions and to find workers. The exception to this would be someone like Mick Foley or Sean Waltman who have worked under their real names as well as a ton of different gimmick names. If you absolutely are against using WWE names then at least use previous gimmick names such as Mean Mark Callous and Sexton Hardcastle. But hey, thats just my opinion. As I said I don't care either way. I have been watching wrestling for 20 plus years so know most real and stage names. I, as you play that if I sign someone I make a new name for them. When I make the edits tonight; I will look at how strong the name is compared to the real name. And this is only going to be for for TNA and WWE. I will work through the rest of the wrestlers but want to get an even balance with this two promotions first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pate Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I generally prefer real names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 ALWAYS USE STAGE NAMES!! In the absence of actually being able to yell at people in a way where they can hear me, I chose to use huge letters. While the average TEW player knows a handful of real names, the easiest way for anyone to get into a mod is by finding who they want through their most popular stage name. By using real names you immediately turn people away from your mod as they have to try harder just to find people... it's just bad mod making if you lose people like that. Also, the reason many wrestlers change stage name (these days) is because the WWE owns the trademark on their ring name. TEW doesn't care about that in the slightest. Why bother simulating the lameness of that when you could use the easier route that actually makes for a better mod? It's a total no-brainer. And lastly, there are some exceptions obviously. For someone like Dustin Runnels, you'd call him Dustin Rhodes. He's had a million and one other names but going for the famous family stage name makes the most sense. The same can be applied to other people too though I'm struggling to think f one. Basically, I (and many other people) will almost immediately stop playing a mod where they see Richard Fleihr, Mark Calloway and Adam Copeland in the database. If Flair, Undertaker and Edge all end up in TNA... who cares if it's slightly unrealistic? It's a game, and it should be made easy and fun... not be a test of your ability to search through everyone looking for the right real name. ..... ..... Did I rant a little? Yeah... I'm passionate about mod making. It should be easy for the user to pick up and play. If that means sacrificing a little realism in terms of copyright infringement then that's the way mods should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Most Common Stage name. It always comes off to me as pretentious and smarky whenever someone uses a wrestler's real name. Vaguely related story, when I played World of Warcraft, there was one guy who ALWAYS used my real name instead of my character's name. Drove me nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatallylost Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Most Common Stage name. It always comes off to me as pretentious and smarky whenever someone uses a wrestler's real name. Vaguely related story, when I played World of Warcraft, there was one guy who ALWAYS used my real name instead of my character's name. Drove me nuts. The main issue I,. personally, have with that, is that Edge won't go by Edge if he worked anywhere else. While I know what you both are saying, it's all about practicality for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chosen One Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I had a mod where Philip Brooks was fired from WWE and became ROH champion. That didn't exactlly look right to me. If you wanna make it somewhat realistic, just stick to the guys who've actually had this issue in real life: Team 3D. Christian Cage. Mr. Anderson Lance Hoyt ETC and sure even a few more if you want, but EXTREMELY WELL KNOWN Superstars like Edge, Undertaker, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Kane, and so on, keep the stage name. And then when it gets down guys like Zach Ryder... There's no way no one would ever find him under his real name... so don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwefc83 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 ALWAYS USE STAGE NAMES!! In the absence of actually being able to yell at people in a way where they can hear me, I chose to use huge letters. While the average TEW player knows a handful of real names, the easiest way for anyone to get into a mod is by finding who they want through their most popular stage name. By using real names you immediately turn people away from your mod as they have to try harder just to find people... it's just bad mod making if you lose people like that. Also, the reason many wrestlers change stage name (these days) is because the WWE owns the trademark on their ring name. TEW doesn't care about that in the slightest. Why bother simulating the lameness of that when you could use the easier route that actually makes for a better mod? It's a total no-brainer. And lastly, there are some exceptions obviously. For someone like Dustin Runnels, you'd call him Dustin Rhodes. He's had a million and one other names but going for the famous family stage name makes the most sense. The same can be applied to other people too though I'm struggling to think f one. Basically, I (and many other people) will almost immediately stop playing a mod where they see Richard Fleihr, Mark Calloway and Adam Copeland in the database. If Flair, Undertaker and Edge all end up in TNA... who cares if it's slightly unrealistic? It's a game, and it should be made easy and fun... not be a test of your ability to search through everyone looking for the right real name. ..... ..... Did I rant a little? Yeah... I'm passionate about mod making. It should be easy for the user to pick up and play. If that means sacrificing a little realism in terms of copyright infringement then that's the way mods should go. what he said, with the odd few exceptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 The main issue I,. personally, have with that, is that Edge won't go by Edge if he worked anywhere else. While I know what you both are saying, it's all about practicality for me. You use a very interesting definition of the word "practical", which usually means something along the lines of "useful, helpful, easy or logical...". Using real names all the time is none of those, as it makes more work for the modder in researching them, more work for the player in finding them, more work for the modder in terms of adding alter egos to make things "fit", more work for the player to assign alter egos.... I would describe your thought process as "impractical". Realistic perhaps, but far from a practical route to take and certainly not the best for any mod that wants to appeal to as many players as possible. For reference, there are two main things that turn me away from real world mods... inflated stats and trying to force real names in where they don't belong. One is easily fixed, the other is getting easier to help modders with in each iteration of TEW, which I like to think I'm helping with whenever I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhd1 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I agree with Derek (fortunately ). It does get annoying when news items come up and you've no idea who they are talking about until you look them up in a company's roster. If you really have a problem with someone using their 'trademark' name in another promotion then that is what alter-egos are for. If you are applying this mainly to well-known stars under the assumption that people will only know their real-names then you could get away with only applying 1 or 2 alter-egos. Let's face it, someone like Edge isn't likely to go to work for a regional Ring of Honor when his (TEW) contract expires. Just call him Edge and give him a TNA alter-ego as Adam Copeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtallica Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 i would say stage names or most commen stage name. take christian he never use's his real name which i belive is jay ruso... he go's by christian cage so i would say most commen like team 3d there brother ray and brother devon everywhere now unless they head bk to vinnie so leave them as that for guys like them, or best know stage name in the case of guys beefcake he's had so many lol. then with guys like taker, HHH and co they really aint gunna be leave wwe so you may as well leave them as they are. then you have guys like booker t who is booker t everywhere so leave him as that rather then his real name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwefc83 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I agree with Derek (fortunately ). It does get annoying when news items come up and you've no idea who they are talking about until you look them up in a company's roster. If you really have a problem with someone using their 'trademark' name in another promotion then that is what alter-egos are for. If you are applying this mainly to well-known stars under the assumption that people will only know their real-names then you could get away with only applying 1 or 2 alter-egos. Let's face it, someone like Edge isn't likely to go to work for a regional Ring of Honor when his (TEW) contract expires. Just call him Edge and give him a TNA alter-ego as Adam Copeland.[/QUOTE] that is unless you play the game and make ROH global which some people try to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhd1 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 that is unless you play the game and make ROH global which some people try to do I did originally write that but cut it out because I couldn't get the wording to say what I meant. But yes, you are absolutely correct and the reason I was going to write that? Because if you hire Edge as a global ROH then you can name him whatever you want, he won't need an alter-ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I say you use stage names for their "main name", and then if you really wanted too, put their real name as a 75% alter-ego, that way there is a major chance they won't use their WWE/TNA/Whoever name in another promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwefc83 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I say you use stage names for their "main name", and then if you really wanted too, put their real name as a 75% alter-ego, that way there is a major chance they won't use their WWE/TNA/Whoever name in another promotion. if you put their real name as 75% alter ego it will always use their real name, even if you only put it as 5% percentages only take effect if there are more than one alter ego for that promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 if you put their real name as 75% alter ego it will always use their real name, even if you only put it as 5% percentages only take effect if there are more than one alter ego for that promotion In that case I vote for stage names. This is a wrestling sim, not a bussiness sim, and if 90% of people know Shawn Michaels better as that name rather than Michael Hickenbottom or whatever, then he should be in there as Shawn Michaels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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