Official NFL Discussion Thread

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5780262" rel="external nofollow">Wade Phillips fired, Jason Garrett interim coach</a><p> </p><p> Let's be honest, Wade Phillips fired himself.</p><p> </p><p> 1-15 here they come!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What kills me is that anyone paying attention saw this coming about two seasons ago. Eventually a bad coach - especially an undisciplined coach -leads to a team's deterioration</p><p> </p><p> As nice as it was to get a playoff win, if Wade had been fired last season the Cowboys would've been better off. As it is, this year is a total bust, all their "talent" is a year older and they now have to re-build a secondary AND an offensive line while integrating a new head coach.</p><p> </p><p> I'm hoping the Cowboys get Cowher or Gruden and then use that high pick to aquire a few picks in the 2nd round to get a T, G, and CB</p>

[Stennick]

Peter are you a 'Boys fan or what team do you follow since I believe your a native of Cali?

[GatorBait19]

<p>also, let's take a vote. How long until McDaniels of the Broncos is unemployed. I get he's only in his second year and the Owner of the Broncos is pretty patient, but this guys since after his first 6 games. He traded away Cutler, Marshall, and has made some dumb signings that haven't stuck with the team (JJ Arrington, Jarvis Green). Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd have been a nice surprise, but they also run a deep pass type system. Their drafts haven't been great. Knowshon is struggling staying on the field and running. Kyle Orton has looked good, but they have brought in two other 1st round QB's to push him. </p><p> </p><p>

The Defense fell off quickly last year even though they have a solid player at each level.</p><p> </p><p>

Picks haven't panned out yet. Ayers, Knowshon, Tebow, Thomas. and they got them from the Jay Cutler trade (at least a two of them)</p><p> </p><p>

He has been in fights with his top two players each of the last two offseasons (Cutler and Marshall).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Also who else do we see not coming back next year.</p><p> </p><p>

I believe it's </p><p> </p><p>

Fox, Norv Turner, Childress, Mike Sing., maybe Ken Wisenhut but he might get saved because of the fact he went to the Superbowl two years ago and just lost his QB, but remember he was on the hot seat the year he went to the superbowl. Lovie Smith?, Jason Garrett.</p>

[Comradebot]

<p>I have to argue vehemently against Pete Carrol. The Seahawks are AWFUL. Look at the teams they've beat this year: SF, SD, CHI, ARI. Only one of those teams is worth half a damn (Chargers). In all four of their losses, they weren't even competitive. Denver, St. Louis, Oakland, and the Giants all put the freakin' boots to them. They have no O-Line, and thus no offense, and the defense isn't good enough to make up for it. Heck, they suffer. They had, what, 37 offensive plays this week? Ungood.</p><p> </p><p>

Maybe Carrol will finally succeed as an NFL coach, but it ain't gonna be this year. If they end up with a decent record, it's only because they don't have too many talented teams left to play this year.</p><p> </p><p>

In all seriousnes...</p><p> </p><p>

Rex Ryan very well may deserve the award at this rate. Jets are scary good at times this year. Revis can shut down the best WRs in the sport on any given day (when he's healthy), Sanchez is really starting to click, and they have a two-headed monster growing in Shonn Greene and the Benjamin Button-esque LT. Whatever Ryan is doing in New York, it's working.</p><p> </p><p>

Still, Steve Spagnoulo and Tom Cable deserve some serious credit for their work. So what if they play in crappy divisions. Those same teams sucked hard for years now in those same relatively crappy divisions, and now they're both looking at a shot at the playoffs.</p>

[Stennick]

The Rams have turned their entire roster over (nearly) in a little over two years I'm pretty happy and when we beat Carolina on Sunday we had a total of FOUR non injured WR's on the entire roster.

[Comradebot]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>also, let's take a vote. How long until McDaniels of the Broncos is unemployed. I get he's only in his second year and the Owner of the Broncos is pretty patient, but this guys since after his first 6 games. He traded away Cutler, Marshall, and has made some dumb signings that haven't stuck with the team (JJ Arrington, Jarvis Green). Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd have been a nice surprise, but they also run a deep pass type system. Their drafts haven't been great. Knowshon is struggling staying on the field and running. Kyle Orton has looked good, but they have brought in two other 1st round QB's to push him. <p> </p><p> The Defense fell off quickly last year even though they have a solid player at each level.</p><p> </p><p> Picks haven't panned out yet. Ayers, Knowshon, Tebow, Thomas. and they got them from the Jay Cutler trade (at least a two of them)</p><p> </p><p> He has been in fights with his top two players each of the last two offseasons (Cutler and Marshall).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Also who else do we see not coming back next year.</p><p> </p><p> I believe it's </p><p> </p><p> Fox, Norv Turner, Childress, Mike Sing., maybe Ken Wisenhut but he might get saved because of the fact he went to the Superbowl two years ago and just lost his QB, but remember he was on the hot seat the year he went to the superbowl. Lovie Smith?, Jason Garrett.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wisenhunt won't lose his job. They lost too much talent, and as you said, he took them to the Super Bowl just two short years ago, and they made the playoffs last year. He's a good coach, and it's hard to blame him for them losing so much talent before this year. Honestly, I found it hilarious when Cardinals fans were screaming "WE DON'T NEED WARNER TO WIN!!!" Yes, yall did. Kurt Warner was one of the best ever at what he did. Between Warner, Boldin, and Dansby leaving, they lost three of I'd argue their best five players. Coach shouldn't be held responsible for all of that, and it really is what has left them as the crap team they are this season. They also lost me as a fan, but only because I was a fan of Kurt Warner: not the Cardinals. Moment he retired, in my eyes they just became another team for the Rams to beat. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Comradebot]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Rams have turned their entire roster over (nearly) in a little over two years I'm pretty happy and when we beat Carolina on Sunday we had a total of FOUR non injured WR's on the entire roster.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Both me and my fantasy team miss Mark Clayton. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Stennick]

You, your fantasy team and Sam Bradford all miss him I'm sure

[Comradebot]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You, your fantasy team and Sam Bradford all miss him I'm sure</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My fantasy team is cursed. Well, both of them.</p><p> </p><p> I've lost no less than 10 players to injuries on league, and about 6 players in the GDS league.</p><p> </p><p> To think, I could've had Roddy White, Mark Clayton, and Steve Johnson in the PPR league, and even Zach Miller at TE. Sigh...</p>

[slack]

<p>Exciting day for Bengals fans!</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.whodeyrevolution.com/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.whodeyrevolution.com/</a></p><p> </p><p>

We know you can get to 200 losses, Mikey!</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Peter are you a 'Boys fan or what team do you follow since I believe your a native of Cali?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cowboys fan. One of those werid things where a lot of Hispanics in CA are Cowboys fans (or Raiders fans, but I don't have a parole officer so that's not happening. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> )</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GatorBait19" data-cite="GatorBait19" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>also, let's take a vote. How long until McDaniels of the Broncos is unemployed. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If Remi was here he'd defend that to McDaniels to his dying breathe...</p><p> </p><p> But yeah, for that Tebow pick alone I'd have real problems with his decision making. I think Tim is going to end up as one of the highest-profile busts ever.</p><p> </p><p> Not unexpected, not surprising, not Ryan Leaf level bad decision...but he came out of college with a HUGE profile, every pundit in America had an opinion, most of them said he'd fail in the NFL, and Josh took him anyway..</p><p> </p><p> That will come back to bite him</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Maybe Carrol will finally succeed as an NFL coach, but it ain't gonna be this year. If they end up with a decent record, it's only because they don't have too many talented teams left to play this year.</p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Another guy who will flame out and everyone will come out and say 'i told you so'</p><p> </p><p> He's a rah-rah guy with no ability to get the most out of his talent, he wasn't even one of the top x's and o's guy in college, and he's not a great personnel evaluator. Just an awful move by Seattle.</p>

[Stennick]

<p>You know Peter there was a little team called the LA Rams you could have been a fan of <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Also the Chargers who might be my second favorite team because I'm a giant Phillip Rivers fan boy, I like Ron Rivera as well. He was up for the head coaching gig in STL when they hired Linehan it was down to Rivera and Scott. Now ultimately I'm glad we got Spags since I think he's fantastic when it comes to defense and he's an awesome head coach but none the less I like Rivera.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>You know Peter there was a little team called the LA Rams you could have been a fan of </strong><img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Also the Chargers who might be my second favorite team because I'm a giant Phillip Rivers fan boy, I like Ron Rivera as well. He was up for the head coaching gig in STL when they hired Linehan it was down to Rivera and Scott. Now ultimately I'm glad we got Spags since I think he's fantastic when it comes to defense and he's an awesome head coach but none the less I like Rivera.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not my call..i have a dad and 7 uncles who grew up in El Paso. They came to CA in 74 as Dallas Cowboys fans and that was that.</p>

[Stennick]

<p>Ha Ha I understand. Luckily for me the Cardinals left St. Louis when I was a boy and none of my family enjoyed football so I've gotten in on the ground floor of some serious Rams fandom. </p><p> </p><p>

Which leads me to another discussion. There is all of this talk of a team moving to Los Angles sooner rather than later. I know teams like Jacksonville, St.Louis, etc. </p><p> </p><p>

What would happen if YOUR favorite team moved to another city? For some of you Peter, Remi, Com, I know its no big deal since you root for out of state teams anyway but what about the rest of you? </p><p> </p><p>

What happens if MLT's Skins moved somewhere else, or the guy who's a Packers fan what happens if YOUR team moved away would you root for them no matter where they went? Or would you switch to a closer team so that you might have a shot at going to the games and city pride and all that stuff?</p>

[GruntMark]

<p>I would hate the owner for ever, and wish constant ill will upon the miserable SOB. I would delight in seeing the team fail over and over again in spectacular fashion. Any shots of their players or fans crying would be icing on the cake.</p><p> </p><p>

Oh...all that did happen?</p><p> </p><p>

God bless Mike Jones.</p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GruntMark" data-cite="GruntMark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26529" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would hate the owner for ever, and wish constant ill will upon the miserable SOB. I would delight in seeing the team fail over and over again in spectacular fashion. Any shots of their players or fans crying would be icing on the cake.<p> </p><p> Oh...all that did happen?</p><p> </p><p> God bless Mike Jones.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ha Ha Mike Jones is a saint in this town.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<p>I personally think eventually it's going to be two teams moving to LA, with that stadium in Carson deal being too attractive to pass up and the NFL wanting that TV market too badly to stop teams from moving. </p><p> </p><p>

I think one will be San Diego, and the other the Jags.</p><p> </p><p>

I expect San Diego will maintain most of it's fanbase since Carson is close enough for a lot of SD fans to still actually attend games and there will still be that West Coast connection. </p><p> </p><p>

But the Jags..that team should get the Tennessee Titans re-boot treatment and just pick a new name and logo</p>

[Stennick]

So then how long before we get a Canadian team? I'm kind of shocked we don't have atleast one Canadian team.

[GruntMark]

<p>Maybe Toronto when Ralph Wilson passes away?</p><p> </p><p>

I dont know what kind of power structure the Bills have after him though. Maybe his heirs would be equally loyal to the area.</p>

[Comradebot]

<p><span>http://pyleoflist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/one-yard-short.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Happiest moment of my life.</p>

[Comradebot]

<p>Well, actually I think the happiest moment was that, combined with Jman's reaction. He lept from his seat, arms raised triumphantly in utter victory... and then he squinted, sorta hunched over, and squinted even tighter... his arms slowly dropping back to his sides.</p><p> </p><p>

It was almost identical to Jeff Fisher's reaction.</p><p> </p><p>

As a life long Rams fan, and a Houstonian, there was truly no better ending to that game. To all atheists out there, this was proof that there is a, without a doubt, a god.</p>

[slack]

<p>If the Bengals moved, it would be a mixed bag. I mean, I LOVE the Bengals, but at the same time, it's the ownership that makes them so bad. (see my post from earlier)</p><p> </p><p>

We can never better until Mike Brown sells the team or get a new team. Well, since Mike's dad was the founder of the Bengals, and Mike is such a loyal guy, that will never happen. If you ever saw the Bengals' Hard Knocks, you know that Bengals will only go downhill after Mikey Boy steps down/dies.</p>

[GatorBait19]

If the Bengals moved, it would be a mixed bag. I mean, I LOVE the Bengals, but at the same time, it's the ownership that makes them so bad. (see my post from earlier)

 

We can never better until Mike Brown sells the team or get a new team. Well, since Mike's dad was the founder of the Bengals, and Mike is such a loyal guy, that will never happen. If you ever saw the Bengals' Hard Knocks, you know that Bengals will only go downhill after Mikey Boy steps down/dies.

 

Bengals won't move. The only teams in a place to move are the Bills (who would wind up in Canada before LA), Vikes (hell if Minnesota isn't giving them a new stadium, LA will). Jags horrible economy in jacksonville has really hurt a team that had little fan suppprt to begin with. San Deigo, they have been looking for a new stadium for a couple of years now. San Fran just got a new stadium, but if money can't come together for it and San Francisco still wont build them a new one I could see them leaving. the Raiders could move....... again. Oakland hasn't given them a new stadium and I know the Raiders want a new one.

 

I mean Cali is a great place to have a SB, but all the stadiums are old and so why would you want a SB in an old stadium. San Fran gave the Giants a new stadium, their was talk about the A's and a new park. Angels have a nice park and it's about time to get the true money makers a new stadium.

 

Also, yes I get that Cali was hit the hardest with economy, but you don't think a SB a couple years in a row (which 2 new Stadiums could get them with San Fran and LA) wouldn't help?

[BHK1978]

http://pyleoflist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/one-yard-short.jpg

 

 

Happiest moment of my life.

 

Well my happiest sports related moment was when the Yankees won the 1996 World Series. However, for football it had to be the Giants beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl. I had a leg injury at the time but I jumped out of my bed in excitement. The dejected look on Tom Brady's face was priceless. Most of all, I knew that all of the Patriots "fans" (most were Dolphins fans in the 80's) that I had to deal with could not talk trash.

[slack]

<p>I really think it would be cool to see a team in Vegas. The NFL won't do it, due to their strong stance on gambling.</p><p> </p><p>

I don't see why a team would move to LA, sure it's a HUGE market, but haven't we been down this road before? (Rams and Raiders)</p><p> </p><p>

Two of the teams you mentioned (Chargers and Raiders) are already in California and they don't seem to be getting support. Why would LA support a team now, when they didn't 15 years ago? This isn't like Cleveland, where they lost a team that meant SO much to them as a city. </p><p> </p><p>

Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't see another LA move as a great idea.</p>