Nithas Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I was thinking about how i could succesfully cash in the Money in the Bank (With John Morrison btw.) I was thinking about doing it Punk/Edge style ie. after the champion just had a match. However, given the short time the match would get, it would probably hurt the match rating, and the show rating, especially if it was after the main event. So how would you do it? Do it as above, and just hope for the best? Maybe create an angle, and just replace the champion afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio3060 Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 With the WWE, it would work best as an angle, unless you want the champ to put up a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praguepride Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 It depends if you want realism or are just playing to max your score. For maximum score, you'd want to book it as an angle as an actual match would get heavily penalized for the short, one-sided nature. For realism though...it should. The title should take a hit on prestige because he took a cheap shot and won the title against a weakened opponent. If you book it as only a 3 minute match (or less if possible) then you could cover up the rest of the time with some long angles of victory celebration, arguing with the former champ & refs etc. to help recover from it. Hell, you could probably get away with putting it in the post-show. So the main show main event is the actual match, and then in the post-show you have the challenger just come out and snatch the title. That way you're not taking a hit to the show rating, but the title prestige takes the necessary dip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 If you have Morrison really over, and the champ really over, and make sure the main event prior to it isn't TOO good, then I think a five minute match could probably still get B/B+ range...the announcement of the cashing in would be an angle as well that should be long enough to lift the crowd, so I'd say... Main event (aim for B/B+, no more) Morrison comes out (aim for B+/A) Morrison wins title (B/B+) Morrison celebrates (aim for B+/A) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Star Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Another way is, if its at a PPV, have the title that's the MITB be defended, then MITB cashed in before the other brand has their world title match. Like, WWE Title MiTB Cashed In for the WWE title World heavyweight title match That way, your short world title match isn't in the main event, with its less than desireable rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwefc83 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I would personaly go down the angle route, it could be great with the right, commentary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The MITB cashing is in real life an angle to be honest. It's not a match, until it's done the RVD style. But if it's in the CM Punk way, aka go there and do a couple of finishers and pin, it's an angle. Atleast in my, personal, opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The MITB cashing is in real life an angle to be honest. It's not a match, until it's done the RVD style. But if it's in the CM Punk way, aka go there and do a couple of finishers and pin, it's an angle. Atleast in my, personal, opinion. The title changes hands though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The title changes hands though There is a "replace" -feature in the titles screen, which I also use for the WWF/E Hardcore 24/7 -title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I did not know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwefc83 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 When you replace the champion you can start a new title reign or continue the exisiting one with a different holder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Cashing in MITB is a match, no 2 ways about it. It's a SHORT match but it's still a match just like all the squash matches your monster of the week is going to do. You don't even consider them to be angles, they're just short matches. Obviously you can do what you want with it in your own games, but MITB matches have starting/finishing bells, competitors competing in the ring, moves, a refereee, announcers... so it's a match, with angles before and after it for cashing in and (presumably) celebrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Cashing in MITB is a match, no 2 ways about it. It's a SHORT match but it's still a match just like all the squash matches your monster of the week is going to do. You don't even consider them to be angles, they're just short matches. Obviously you can do what you want with it in your own games, but MITB matches have starting/finishing bells, competitors competing in the ring, moves, a refereee, announcers... so it's a match, with angles before and after it for cashing in and (presumably) celebrating. An angle can have moves, a referee, announcers, bell sounds, competitors fighting too. But that is, of course, only your opinion, and I would only consider it as an angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 An angle can have moves, a referee, announcers, bell sounds, competitors fighting too. But that is, of course, only your opinion, and I would only consider it as an angle. You'd be wrong. It's usually a one-sided short match, but so are squash matches. And they're still matches, unless you run a promotion where you are only trying to get the highest results possible, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 When you replace the champion you can start a new title reign or continue the exisiting one with a different holder This is brilliant. I'd wondered how I was gonna get Big Smack Scott to hold the NA title belt without ever actually defending it, but this is literally perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 You'd be wrong. It's usually a one-sided short match, but so are squash matches. And they're still matches, unless you run a promotion where you are only trying to get the highest results possible, obviously. He only comes to beat someone down, and then pins him. Okay, the pinfall thingy might be a match, but derek: would you consider a hardcore 24/7 -title win in the backstage also a match? Or if someone first defends it, then straight after the match gets pinned. Do you also call that a match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 He only comes to beat someone down, and then pins him. Okay, the pinfall thingy might be a match, but derek: would you consider a hardcore 24/7 -title win in the backstage also a match? Or if someone first defends it, then straight after the match gets pinned. Do you also call that a match? MITB cashing in IS a match in TEW terms, there is no two ways about it. 24/7 rules is... messy. It was a glorified series of comedy sketches for a title that essentially had 0 prestige. TEW doesn't support the cluster(mess) that was that title and for a good reason too... it was stupid, but funny. If it weren't for the fact that people actually followed along with the lineage it would be a like a game of tag, which would be covered better by angles and replacing champions. MITB and 24/7 aren't the same thing though, which is painfully obvious to anyone who knows what they are. A one-off special title shot vs a comedy championship isn't comparable. But it your own game, you can do what you want. MITB cashing in is a match unless you decide you want to take your main belts as seriously as the hardcore title... which is something that's up to you, Mr Russo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameSnoopy Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Damn, got owned But, I can only defend myself saying that I am glad I don't play current day real world mods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Damn, got owned But, I can only defend myself saying that I am glad I don't play current day real world mods! Cornellverse for the win! I tried booking a 24/7 Hardcore title once... decided it would be better to give the belt to Raven, create a new Flock for him and have them act as body guards/interference runners for ALL hardcore title matches so that Raven would never lose the belt. Was fun for the few months that game ran, had plans to push Raven to the top and have Dreamer try to take the Hardcore belt... and then win MITB so that he could hold that threat over Raven's head for ages in revenge for the hardcore title stuff. Fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio3060 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Why does it have to be a match if one of the people in the match is knocked out the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaySticLe of YouTube Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Why does it have to be a match if one of the people in the match is knocked out the whole time. ...What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensai of Mattitude Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Cornellverse for the win! I tried booking a 24/7 Hardcore title once... decided it would be better to give the belt to Raven, create a new Flock for him and have them act as body guards/interference runners for ALL hardcore title matches so that Raven would never lose the belt. Was fun for the few months that game ran, had plans to push Raven to the top and have Dreamer try to take the Hardcore belt... and then win MITB so that he could hold that threat over Raven's head for ages in revenge for the hardcore title stuff. Fun times. I remember just booking loads of one minute Hardcore matches on every episode of Raw. I don't care if my show took a hit, it was brilliant fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinke Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I can actually see this as an angle to be honest - though I see Derek's point, too. The dictionary definition of angle supports Derek's arguement but ... If I have a monster having his debut squash match; I'll put that as a match. But I've run angles where my monster is attacking a member of female talent - there is a bell, there is a referee but it's a predictable event cashing in on menance, sex appeal and over the top drama-tainment; and in reality it's pretty rare an event like this has any actual wrestling in it. If the MITB challenge was going to be a real match with the current owner of the title defending it with some level of awesome - then that's a match. If it's just to stir the crowd up and make the title jump hands - that's an angle to me. The game might disagree, but I don't think real life fans view these events as 'matches' when they talk about them. They're events/angles in my game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 24/7 rules is... messy. It was a glorified series of comedy sketches for a title that essentially had 0 prestige. TEW doesn't support the cluster(mess) that was that title and for a good reason too... it was stupid, but funny. If it weren't for the fact that people actually followed along with the lineage it would be a like a game of tag, which would be covered better by angles and replacing champions. You know, here's the thing I never got while WWE was doing that. Why didn't they have a segment that was filmed at like 2:30 in the morning? Have a contender snuck into the current champ's bedroom while he was asleep, pin him and have the champion wake up a few hours later no longer champion. Talk about putting the gimmick over. I don't know I'd ever do a 24/7 title in any of my games. But that's one segment I'd have to do if I ever did. Would also have been the perfect backdrop for an insomnia gimmick a la Lazy Joe's in the C-Verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianCarter Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 You know, here's the thing I never got while WWE was doing that. Why didn't they have a segment that was filmed at like 2:30 in the morning? Have a contender snuck into the current champ's bedroom while he was asleep, pin him and have the champion wake up a few hours later no longer champion. Talk about putting the gimmick over. I don't know I'd ever do a 24/7 title in any of my games. But that's one segment I'd have to do if I ever did. Would also have been the perfect backdrop for an insomnia gimmick a la Lazy Joe's in the C-Verse. Well, what ref is going to come with you to break into some guy's house at 2:30 in the morning. And Crash Holly did lose the title while he was asleep. I believe it was Gerald Briscoe who pinned him. Crash was staying up all night afraid that just that would happen so he hired the APA for an hour to guard him while he slept. But when the hour ran out they left and Briscoe snuck in along with Pat Patterson to count the pin. Patterson later turned on Briscoe and pinned him for the title. Which adds credence to changing titles as angles since these retired wrestlers were winning the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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