ampulator Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Daffanka, Maynard is so... boring. He's the worst kind of wrestler. He's even worse than Fitch. He's just lays on the guy. Barely works. Chael is a jerk, but at least he TRIES to finishes, despite his terrible submission defense for a wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Okami and Fitch are some of my favorite fighters. Draw your own conclusions. Let's talk about Edgar though. He's a really good fighter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Frankie dominated. Enough said. Okami, Maynard, Fitch. Great Fighters. Also, Boring Fighters. As someone said before, I'm not going to pay for a boring fight, no matter how "good" it is. There isn't such thing as Ultimate Grappling Championship, and there's a reason why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingofHonorGuard Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 What was expected to happen happened with Toney/Couture. I really wanted to see that upset, but it was not to be. I haven't got a chance to watch Penn/Edgar II, had to go to bed early to get up for work. But planning on watching it later. Diaz/Davis and Maia/Miranda were two damn good fights though. I really enjoyed watching Miranda's submission defense, especially to that calculated armbar that Maia attempted at the end of the 3rd.. Beautiful defense. Miranda definitely has a future in the sport if he figures out how to put it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 I'm still wondering why some people expected Toney to have any kind of takedown defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 What was expected to happen happened with Toney/Couture. I really wanted to see that upset, but it was not to be. I haven't got a chance to watch Penn/Edgar II, had to go to bed early to get up for work. But planning on watching it later. Diaz/Davis and Maia/Miranda were two damn good fights though. I really enjoyed watching Miranda's submission defense, especially to that calculated armbar that Maia attempted at the end of the 3rd.. Beautiful defense. Miranda definitely has a future in the sport if he figures out how to put it all together. Let's just say this. Toney is good, but he's not good enough, nor is he dedicated enough to pull off an upset. Toney is a good boxer, but he never trained in the one thing he should have - Takedown Defense. Hell, even Couture had a counter for that - a low single that's rarely down. Toney wouldn't have seen that coming, and probably a MMA fighter wouldn't see it coming. When he went to the ground, though, he was toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I thought Diaz - Davis and Maia - Miranda were kinda boring. Awful kickboxing in one and grappling domination without finishing in the other. I guess it just bugged me that for all of Maia's grappling experience he couldn't properly finish that armbar. Edgar - Penn 2 basically saved the card for me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMcFly Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 That takedown was just awful in the Couture Toney fight, you'd think he'd have good enough takedown defense to stop THAT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 30, 2010 Author Share Posted August 30, 2010 That takedown was just awful in the Couture Toney fight, you'd think he'd have good enough takedown defense to stop THAT... The takedown was pretty much perfect for a low single, it's just not the kind of takedown you see very often in MMA. The lack of wrestling shoes, combined with the fact that anyone with intermediate-level grappling skills will be able to avoid/counter it, make it a no-no in MMA. I remember Kurt Angle, when he was in one of his "I'm going to the UFC" phases, saying something about ankle-picking Chuck Liddell because "nobody ever did that". I was gutted that he never got to find out why "nobody ever did that" :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingofHonorGuard Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I remember Kurt Angle, when he was in one of his "I'm going to the UFC" phases, saying something about ankle-picking Chuck Liddell because "nobody ever did that". I was gutted that he never got to find out why "nobody ever did that" :-p LOL, that's a pretty funny visual actually. I can just see Kurt Angle shooting in a low single and a prime Liddell smashing him right on the chin. I thought Diaz - Davis and Maia - Miranda were kinda boring. Awful kickboxing in one and grappling domination without finishing in the other. I guess it just bugged me that for all of Maia's grappling experience he couldn't properly finish that armbar. As sloppy as Diaz/Davis was at times, I always enjoy watching Nate fight. He brings it, as opposed to just stalling like a lot of fighters these days. I hate Marcus Davis, so it was just a feather in the cap to see Nate sub him. Maia/Miranda showcased some great grappling(albeit a bit one-sided at times) and Miranda definitely earned a lot of respect in my eyes for his submission defense. The dude is going to be a beast. I agree with you though on the armbar, Maia should have finished it... But I think it's due to the fact that he telegraphed the thing so long, Miranda was just able to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I actually enjoyed the Maia-Miranda fight. After the stand-up of the opener that started fun, but eventually got repetitive, and the boring Florian-Maynard fight, it was nice to see some extended ground game. I really liked watching Miranda's submission defense. He was obviously outmatched, but I could see from the look on his face that he knew what he was doing. He'd make these little movements that I found fascinating. Couture/Toney was what it was. The "UFC" chant was... well... I hate the whole chant-the-promotion's-name thing (far prefer supporting the actual fighters) but if ever there was a time for it, this was it. Toney sure wasn't gonna get TKO'd though. Tough dude. I was bored for much of Edgar/Penn. By the fifth round I eventually became emotionally invested in wanted Edgar to win (didn't want a Chael/Silva repeat) but for much of the fight I didn't care about either guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Maia/Miranda showcased some great grappling(albeit a bit one-sided at times) and Miranda definitely earned a lot of respect in my eyes for his submission defense. The dude is going to be a beast. I agree with you though on the armbar, Maia should have finished it... But I think it's due to the fact that he telegraphed the thing so long, Miranda was just able to know. I liked the parts where Maia passed his guard like butter and mounted him like it weren't no thing, just not when he sat in mount sort of punching Miranda in the face. I'm not going to pretend I'm anywhere near Maia's level of grappling ability but there were things he could've done to prevent the roll out like locking his feet together. It's still hilarious to me that there are guys who are so lacking in KO power (Maia, Shields) that them straight up punching dudes from mount isn't enough to make them give up their backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingofHonorGuard Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I liked the parts where Maia passed his guard like butter and mounted him like it weren't no thing, just not when he sat in mount sort of punching Miranda in the face. I'm not going to pretend I'm anywhere near Maia's level of grappling ability but there were things he could've done to prevent the roll out like locking his feet together. It's still hilarious to me that there are guys who are so lacking in KO power (Maia, Shields) that them straight up punching dudes from mount isn't enough to make them give up their backs. Maia could do well spending a little time with Eddie Bravo in my opinion. And probably doing a lot of cable pulls to work on some power, as you already covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 Andrei Arlovski is being considered for a free pass into the K-1 Final 16 this year. HA! I wonder what it would look like if a man's jaw was actually punched right off his head...guess we could be about to find out... Basically, because K-1 weren't able to run the number of regional GP's they had originally planned on, there are more 'wildcard' spots than usual this year. The 8 finalists from last year (Schilt, Hari, Overeem, Le Banner Zimmerman, Karaev and Teixeira, minus Bonjasky, who is recovering from eye surgery), the heavyweight champion (Keijiro Maeda) and the winners of the two regional GP's they managed to hold (Freddy Kemayo and Ben Edwards) are already in, leaving SIX open slots. K-1 are asking fans to vote in a poll on their website for who deserves the final slots. Notable names on the list are: Peter Aerts Daniel Ghita Singh Jaideep Melvin Manhoef Tyrone Spong Alexi Ignashov Gokhan Saki Chalid Aarab Sergei Kharitonov Making up the rest of the list are a wealth of Europe-based fighters and Takumi Sato, who is probably a lock, what with him being Japanese and K-1 having one of the most blatant national biases in the history of sports :-p I'd be very surprised if Aerts didn't make the final 16 for similar reasons, he's an institution in the GP. I'm surprised that Le Banner's name is in the mix though, as there was a lot of talk of last year's GP being his sawnsong as far as the tourney's go. With that said, arriving in Japan hours the night before the fights and basically laying down for Schilt would have been a horrible way to go out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Andrei Arlovski is being considered for a free pass into the K-1 Final 16 this year. HA! I wonder what it would look like if a man's jaw was actually punched right off his head...guess we could be about to find out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ORSuldcvsM Arlovski is like Hari without the latter's absurd offensive arsenal. He'd get crushed in a second by any half bad kickboxer. I'm torn between voting for Aerts and Saki. Aerts is gonna get in any way it happens and I really like Saki but I don't want to see him fight 260lbs+ dudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 Brett Rogers is taking a 'get right fight' outside of Strikeforce against (wait for it)......Ruben 'Warpath' Villareal (16-16-3...and god knows how many unsanctioned fights). He's the big Native American dude who used to fight in King of the Cage and Gladiator Challenge in facepaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 The takedown was pretty much perfect for a low single, it's just not the kind of takedown you see very often in MMA. The lack of wrestling shoes, combined with the fact that anyone with intermediate-level grappling skills will be able to avoid/counter it, make it a no-no in MMA. I remember Kurt Angle, when he was in one of his "I'm going to the UFC" phases, saying something about ankle-picking Chuck Liddell because "nobody ever did that". I was gutted that he never got to find out why "nobody ever did that" :-p Oh man, Chuck Liddell would have kneed Kurt Angle's head off, Knockout of the Night, that would have been. And this coming from someone that believes Kurt Angle can make it MMA (He would have made decent Welterweight). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingofHonorGuard Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Brett Rogers is taking a 'get right fight' outside of Strikeforce against (wait for it)......Ruben 'Warpath' Villareal (16-16-3...and god knows how many unsanctioned fights). He's the big Native American dude who used to fight in King of the Cage and Gladiator Challenge in facepaint. It would be kind of hilarious if Warpath beat Rogers though.... And then we could call him Brett "Can't Get Right" Rogers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Hey guys. http://i36.tinypic.com/2i71pg9.jpg Frankie Edgar is a good fighter who's rapidly improving and has demonstrated the kind of smarts it takes to round out your game and become a truly great fighter. He uses body shots, feints, and head and leg movement. The best thing he did in the entire fight was disengaging from the clinch/shot and throw punches when he realized that he'd just spend time digging with no reward. He's probably going to beat Maynard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Hey guys. http://i36.tinypic.com/2i71pg9.jpg Frankie Edgar is a good fighter who's rapidly improving and has demonstrated the kind of smarts it takes to round out your game and become a truly great fighter. He uses body shots, feints, and head and leg movement. The best thing he did in the entire fight was disengaging from the clinch/shot and throw punches when he realized that he'd just spend time digging with no reward. He's probably going to beat Maynard. Really? I didn't think he improved as much as he exploited BJ's weaknesses even further, while taking a lot more calculated risks (which gave him more rewards). He could have done what he did in the second fight in the first fight, but he was just being cautious. The second fight was to prove he could beat BJ in terms of performance... and he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 He's probably going to beat Maynard. I'm going to disagree. I think Maynard is a horrible match up for Edgar...once he's on his back, everything that was good about his last two fights will be irrelevant. As much as I'm not looking forward to it, I think it'll almost be a carbon copy of their first fight. What I'm really not looking forward to is the hundreds of "Edgar should move down to 145" comments that will follow the five-round grind-fest that Maynard will put on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderz Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 hes definately improved since the first Maynard fight.. and he hasnt got that knock out power to really stop Maynard from going for the takedown.. its gonna go 5 rounds thats for sure..and unfortunately Maynard is probably gonna take the decision.. Edgar is a great fighter.. I really enjoy his work ethic.. and hes very smooth on the feet.. he just doesnt have that knockout power to threaten Maynard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> As much as I'm not looking forward to it, I think it'll almost be a carbon copy of their first fight. What I'm <em>really</em> not looking forward to is the hundreds of "Edgar should move down to 145" comments that will follow the five-round grind-fest that Maynard will put on him.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think he's just going to use his footwork to 1) punch Maynard in the face a bunch 2) force him to chase takedowns. He's gotten far, far better at, well, mostly everything but putting his combos together and properly stepping in and out seems to be the things he's best at and we haven't seen if Maynard can handle anyone who does either of those things well. He did this in the Sherk fight and while Maynard's double and subsequent chain wrestling might be better it's not nearly as fast.</p><p> </p><p> If he does get taken down I think he can scramble out like he did against BJ. Also I think people are forgetting that he took BJ down, twice, in the first round. That's pretty powerful stuff.</p><p> </p><p> Frankie by decision or TKO in the championship rounds when Maynard is gassed.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Maynard has A LOT of decision wins. I don't think he's a guy that gasses himself easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffanka Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 <p>Has he ever had to work hard hard for his takedowns or work hard to keep someone who is good at scrambling down?</p><p> </p><p> Mind you I'm speaking as an unabashed Edgar fan so take it with a grain of salt. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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