PeterHilton Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 He specifically stated in his statement that he now realized it was not consensual. That had more to do with the rough stuff. She got caught up. it's not that unusual.
justtxyank Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 That had more to do with the rough stuff. She got caught up. it's not that unusual. OK I won't argue about it.
cappyboy Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Wow...I'm one of those people that's literally shocked anyone cares. About Bill..Tiger..anyone. I'd explain it but I don't want to spin this thread too irretrievably off its axis. Suffice to say I get why people care but tend to feel Bill's issue was more our business than Tiger's Groupie love is a basic fact of life for celebrities, athletes, and men in power. Always has been (literally..as in going back to the beginning of civilization). It's one of the reasons guys go into those lines of work. We'd all be better off just kind of assuming that any man with any kind of power, influence, or fame is probably out getting as much ass as possible. I don't know as I'd say this. If there were just the practical matter involved, you'd be right on. But the larger issue I'm trying to avoid for the sake of the thread's purpose gets in the way and can at times be a good thing. Even though it does get prickly in issues like Bill, Tiger and Kobe.
Astil Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Mr Kennedy winning the MitB -> Randy Orton stealing it.
Guest canyoudothecancan Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Because OJ's a double murderer. It's actually a pretty common reaction among sports fans. I'm sure we'll get plenty of this with Tiger Woods now too. OJ was not proven guilty
Moe Hunter Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Because OJ's a double murderer. It's actually a pretty common reaction among sports fans. I'm sure we'll get plenty of this with Tiger Woods now too. Do people really go back and watch old Golf tournaments? They must be even more boring the second time around. Mr Kennedy winning the MitB -> Randy Orton stealing it. You mean Edge. And to me, even though I'm a huge Kennedy fan, I'm just as big a fan of Edge beating The Undertaker, which is what he went and did with it the next day.
Candyman Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 I would love to see people stop treating Benoit as if he was a criminal. He didn't do what he did and just sit back after it and smoke a cigar. And he most certainly did not planned that. He lost his mind end did something horrible, but he can never be compared to OJ or guys like that. He was sick, mentally unstable and a tragedy happened. I can still enjoy his matches and i still like him as a worker as much as i did before. ...what? No, seriously, what? Benoit murdered his child. And his wife. How does that not make him a criminal? No, you can't compare him to OJ - even OJ doesn't deserve that. Not to downplay what OJ did, but he "only" killed his EX wife and a man he had never met. There's a special place in hell for people like Benoit, and very few people in the history of the world will ever go there. He specifically stated in his statement that he now realized it was not consensual. Not quite. This is what he said: "Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did," - you can see the difference between what you said and what he said. Beyond that, most people believe he was told what to say by the accuser and her attorneys as a part of her dropping the criminal case, and he would have said anything to make it go away, so it doesn't really matter what he said. OJ was not proven guilty He was proven liable for their deaths, and then wrote a book about how he did it. .....annnnyway, back on topic, twp of my moments would be Shane McMahon showing up on WCW television on the last episode of Nitro, and later the episode of Raw where it was revealed the Shane-owned WCW and Stephanie-owned ECW were forming an alliance. Awesome at the time, not so much in retrospect for the same reason - the invasion was horrible. Or the nWo debuting in WWE, because that was done so badly as well. My first thought was Triple H's return from his first quad injury, for the same reasons somebody else mentioned. Same with Flair's match with HBK.
brashleyholland Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 I wasn't really following Wrestling at the time, but watched the episode of RAW where ECW 'invaded'. Amazing, I thought. Yet within the space of an hour they'd bundled them in with WCW, stuck Steph at the helm and turned it into 'Battle of the McMahons Number 73'. "See you in 8 years wrestling", I thought to myself as I switched off. True story :-p
LoNdOn Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 "He was proven liable for their deaths, and then wrote a book about how he did it." Not quite. The book was how he would have done it. At least that is the story he was going with. Back on topic. Hulk Hogan slamming Andre the Giant at Mania. Lost its impact when I realised Andre had been slammed before.
justtxyank Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Rob Van Dam winning the title from Cena at One Night Stand. I hadn't been watching wrestling because I hated Cena, but I ordered that ppv and marked out so hard for the whole night. RVD winning the belt was awesome, ECW getting its own show was awesome... Five (4?) years later and while the match is still pretty cool to watch, it's hardly as awesome as it should have been. ECW was a disaster, RVD held the straps for a short period of time and then was a midcarder.
Antithesis Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Crow Sting in the rafters for a year, building up to be WCW's savior against the NWO, and then he is pinned clean by Hogan at Starcade.
justtxyank Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Crow Sting in the rafters for a year, building up to be WCW's savior against the NWO, and then he is pinned clean by Hogan at Starcade. Woof. What a terrible stretch that was eh? Sting joining the Wolfpac was another one. I marked for that moment. WCW did it very well that night with him teasing black and white only to take out Hogan and Giant and reveal a Red and Black shirt. Looking back, that was a horrible decision.
The Celt Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 Rob Van Dam winning the title from Cena at One Night Stand. I hadn't been watching wrestling because I hated Cena, but I ordered that ppv and marked out so hard for the whole night. RVD winning the belt was awesome, ECW getting its own show was awesome... Five (4?) years later and while the match is still pretty cool to watch, it's hardly as awesome as it should have been. ECW was a disaster, RVD held the straps for a short period of time and then was a midcarder.[/quote I still enjoy both ONS 05 and ONS 6 for what they are. Yeah, things won't work out down the line but they were such nights of ecstasy you'd forget it. Absolutely unique and wonderful PPVs that I'll always remember as being real landmark night in the business, regardless.
AfRoMaN36 Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 I'd have to agree with the Flair vs HBK match at Mainia. Flair totally ruined any meaning to that tear fest. Mankinds first title reign was initially a classic among classics. Especially as Foleys number 1 groupie back in those days. I still get goose bumps when I see clips of Austin clobbering the Rock with a chair and dragging Foley on top of him, then hearing the Fink annnounce Mankind as the 'New World Heavyweight Champion." Truly a feel good moment for the life long underdog. Then a month passes and he loses the title. Getting his ass kicked in the process. He was merely a transitional champion, setting up for the Rock and Austin feud. Saddest part was, it was his longest WWF title reign.
Stennick Posted March 15, 2010 Posted March 15, 2010 I remember reading Foley's book and him all but refusing in the book to be one of those guys that retires and comes back a bunch of times and a guy that would not hang around the business past his time. Now I watch him being nearly a complete joke in TNA wrestling tag matches against Raven and Stevie on Impact and I wonder where that guy went. I can't count the number of times TNA's gotten a name and when someone else thats a bigger name comes around the last guys all but forgotten. Foley is in this position now. He was brought in freshley off WWE t.v, he was witty, funny, he could get a crowd over. Then a month later the entire direction of the company changes when Hogan's brought, Bischoff is brought in and Foley's pushed to the background. He went from "being a stockholder" and being nearly untouchable in his position to being the brunt end of Bischoff and Hogan jokes. Sure you could say its storyline but the storyline has been going on for three months and hasn't led much of anywhere.
shawn michaels Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 ...what? No, seriously, what? Benoit murdered his child. And his wife. How does that not make him a criminal? No, you can't compare him to OJ - even OJ doesn't deserve that. Not to downplay what OJ did, but he "only" killed his EX wife and a man he had never met. There's a special place in hell for people like Benoit, and very few people in the history of the world will ever go there. Dude really? No offense but...that's a little hypocrit don't you think? So he killed a child...so what? That makes him the worst person ever? Personally i don't even like children, of course that doesn't mean they sould be killed. Seriously speaking, yes he killed his son, so what? There are mitigating circunstances. And until you find yourself going through the same s*** he did...please don't criticise, don't judge, you are not a judge, nor God all mighty. Anyway, im not trying to pick a fight here or something, (with anybody) but there is too much hypocrisy when it comes to benoit or some other cases. That is my opinion.
The Celt Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 Don't make this a Benoit thread. That is all. I agree Celt, that's a really valid point that prevent an argument that only divides whomever enters it.
LoNdOn Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 So who wants to discuss the war in Iraq.........you know something less contentious.
shawn michaels Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 I agree Celt, that's a really valid point that prevent an argument that only divides whomever enters it. Agree, so i'll stop answering the benoit posts. No one will ever get anything more then divided on this subject. Edit: Post 69!!! Wooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! Who's your daddy? LOOOOL!
TheOmniWarrior Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 Litas farewell match. It was a pretty good match, and then for a farewell I thought it was extremely disrepectful what "they" had Cryme Tyme do.
Tag01 Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 I would love to see people stop treating Benoit as if he was a criminal. He didn't do what he did and just sit back after it and smoke a cigar. And he most certainly did not planned that. He lost his mind end did something horrible, but he can never be compared to OJ or guys like that. He was sick, mentally unstable and a tragedy happened. I can still enjoy his matches and i still like him as a worker as much as i did before. The. Dumbest. Post. On. The. Internet. Please tell me you jest. The man murdered his wife. He murdered his own child. He took a couple of days to mull it all over, had the foresight to text some of his friends and then committed suicide. The man clearly committed the acts and knew what he had done was wrong. If there is a hell, he's burning in it. Benoit is a murderer. OJ is a murderer. Defending a man that brutally murdered his entire family because you like the way he competed in a pretend sport is insane.
The Celt Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 Owing to Benoit mentions, this thread 83% ready to be locked. Stop it. On Lita's goodbye match...yeah maybe, but honestly it was funny as hell, and regardless of what Lita did, people are always going to remember the "s!ut" period of career, especially considering how much it was played up with Edge. I mean that whole thing was sort of a comeuppance for her s!ut character. I mean i'm guess the WWE didn't really expect her to be gone for long and that's why they did it. Sort of like how Vicki got destroyed at ONS 07 or 08 (I forget which...hell it could even have been Extreme rules), left and then came back a few months later.
AfRoMaN36 Posted March 16, 2010 Posted March 16, 2010 Seriously speaking, yes he killed his son, so what? There are mitigating circunstances. And until you find yourself going through the same s*** he did...please don't criticise, don't judge, you are not a judge, nor God all mighty. Anyway, im not trying to pick a fight here or something, (with anybody) but there is too much hypocrisy when it comes to benoit or some other cases. That is my opinion. I'm sorry, I often stay away from these silly net wars but uhm... wha...!?
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