Checking rankings, could use a few extra eyes

[SkyDog]

WEEK ONE Michigan Texas Southern Cal Ohio St. FSU LSU Wisconsin Miami Purdue Oklahoma Boston College Notre Dame UGA VA. Tech Penn St. Nebraska Clemson Iowa UCLA Florida Auburn Michigan ST. Minnesota Maryland Oregon State OTHERS RECEIVING: KSU, UT, NCSU, MIZZOU, WASH, OKSTATE, TECH, BAMA, COLO, UNC, CALI, ARIZ, WASH ST, OLE MISS, UVA, ARIST, OREGON, PITT, Texas Tech, STAN, TXAM

[SkyDog]

WEEK TWO CHANGES Southern Cal & Ohio St. climb to #2 and #3 after big wins (Notre Dame 41-20, and Baylor 62-22 respectively) Texas falls to #4 (DNP) Same shuffling at 5/6/7. LSU and Wisconsin climb to 5/6, and FSU (DNP) falls to #7 from #5. 8-10 stay the same, none played #11 BC drops to #13 (DNP), and Va. Tech and Penn State climb No significant climbs/drops. Michigan St. and Notre Dame fall out of Top 25. Notre Dame (was #12) lost 41-20 against Southern CAl adn dropped to #28. Mich. St. (was #22) did not play, and dropped to #26.

[SkyDog]

WEEK THREE CHANGES #8 Wisconsin loses 62-17 to NC State and falls to #18. #14 Nebraska loses 27-16 to Auburn and drops to #24 Biggest gain is Arizona. They win 40-21 in Athens to move from #35 to #23 FALLING FROM TOP 25 15 UGA (lost at home vs. Arizona), drops to #28 16 UCLA (lost to then #24 K-State 34-7), dropped to #26 18 Clemson (lost 64-14 at Southern Cal), dropped to #29 20 Florida (lost 51-28 at Miami), dropped to #31 22 Maryland (lost 19-13 at Rutgers), dropped to #35 23 Oregon St. (lost 41-17 at home vs. Ok. St), dropped to #36

[SkyDog]

WEEK FOUR CHANGES Heh, this is nice. Ohios St. only beats Navy 20-17 at home,a nd drops to #5 from #3. Texas and LSU, both big winners, leapfrog them. BIGGEST DROP IN TOP 25: Pudue drops from #8 to #22 after losing 48-45 to Florida Atlantic. BIGGEST GAIN: Ok. State moves from 22 to 16 with a 58-20 win over Cincinnati. DROPPED FROM TOP 25 12 BC falls to #26 after 33-27 loss to Illinois 16 Minnesota falls to #30 after 36-27 loss to Ohio U 21 Washington falls to #29 after 26-17 loss to Louisville

[SkyDog]

WEEK FIVE CHANGES Michigan falls from #1 to #3 after 29-18 win over Mich. St. OKlahoma climbs from #6 to #1 with 50-7 thrashing of A&M. Ohio St. climbs from #5 to #2 with 50-27 win over Northwestern SOuthern CAl falls from #2 to #5 with 20-13 win over Ball St. LSU drops from #4 to #6 with 47-21 win over Pitt Penn St. climbs from #9 to #4 with 30-27 win at Minn. BIGGEST CLIMB IN TOP 25: Arizona St. moves from #44 to #19 with a 53-21 win over Washington. :eek: BIGGEST DROP IN TOP 25: Texas falls from #3 to #14 with a 48-41 loss at then-#20 Nebraska. (Nebraska moves up to #16 with the win) DROPPED FROM TOP 25: 16 Ok. St to #26 17 Michigan St. to #35 with 29-18 loss to Michigan [i](something's definitely still not right there..both teams seemed to get punished harshly for this one when probalby neither should have moved much)[/i] 18 NC State to #27 with 24-17 loss to Navy 22 Purdue to no votes received with 37-7 loss to Notre Dame 23 UGA to no votes received on an open date. [i](Hmmmmmm....another problem...)[/i] 25 Florida to #31 after 49-28 win over Vandy. [i](ALso needs to be checked.)[/i]

[SkyDog]

WEEK SIX CHANGES 1 Oklahoma loses 44-20 at Texas and drops to #8. 2 Ohio St. wins 24-17 at Minn and stays there 3 Michigan wins 45-9 over then-#11 Iowa and [i]drops[/i] to #5. 4 Penn St. wins 33-14 over Northwestern and moves to #1 5 Southern Cal wins 46-10 over Stanford and moves to #4 7 K-State wins 34-10 over Nebraska and moves to #3 BIGGEST TOP 25 GAIN: Bama moves from 24 to 14 with a 35-13 win at USC. BIGGEST TOP 25 LOSS: Iowa drops from #19 to #11 with a 45-9 loss at Michigan DROPPED FROM TOP 25: 15 Auburn goes to #31 with 43-40 loss at Ole Miss 16 Nebraska goes to #34 with 34-10 loss to then #7 K-State 17 Texas Tech goes to #32 with 24-3 loss to then #26 Ok. State 22 Kentucky drops to #29 with 24-17 loss at Vandy

[Mad Cow]

This must be a newer version of the game than what the demo is, the rankings look much mroe realistic than anything I have seen in my copy o fthe beta demo. The week five top 5 movings concern me some. I dont think the #1 team should drop to #3 after defeating their in state rival, especially by 11 points.

[SkyDog]

[QUOTE=Mad Cow]This must be a newer version of the game than what the demo is[/QUOTE]Yes, but trying to give some good feedback, because some things still seem amiss. What is tricky about rankings is that are some pretty serious problems in real life with them, due primarily to the human element. I'd like to see the polls be a little more dynamic than in real life. Human voters tend to stick with their ranked order as long as teams win without looking at who really looks like the best team. For example, texas should be ranked ahead of southern cal right now in real life, and the only reason they're not is that southern cal started off up there and hasn't lost. I'd love to see a little juggling of the top 5, especially early in the season. I'm continuing on, to see how it plays out later in the season, when things should get more stable...

[SkyDog]

WEEK SEVEN CHANGES K-State falls from #3 to #5 with 27-24 loss at Texas. Texas only moves from #15 to #12. Penn St. falls from #1 to #6 with 27-19 home loss vs. Purdue UT falls from #6 to #8 with a 24-19 loss at now-#25 Kentucky Miami falls from #9 to #10 with a 41-37 loss to then #10 FSU (FSU jumps to #7 with the win.) BIGGEST TOP 25 DROP: Bama falls from 14 to 20 with a 37-20 loss #11/#9 LSU. BIGGEST TOP 25 GAIN: #30 Utah St. (now 6-0) moves from #30 to #22 wiht a 26-24 W over Hawaii. Another comment...let's not forget the big picture here. I think what we'd all want would be for the rankings to look "right" at the end of the season. I'd say that if they fluctuate more or less than normal along the way to getting there, then so be it. Let's see how this plays out...

[Mad Cow]

[QUOTE=SkyDog]Yes, but trying to give some good feedback, because some things still seem amiss. What is tricky about rankings is that are some pretty serious problems in real life with them, due primarily to the human element. I'd like to see the polls be a little more dynamic than in real life. Human voters tend to stick with their ranked order as long as teams win without looking at who really looks like the best team. For example, texas should be ranked ahead of southern cal right now in real life, and the only reason they're not is that southern cal started off up there and hasn't lost. I'd love to see a little juggling of the top 5, especially early in the season. I'm continuing on, to see how it plays out later in the season, when things should get more stable...[/QUOTE] I agree with you about the human element making something like this tricky. How about simulating 62 (or however many there are) voters and assaigning them attributes which would then work in line with their voting in the polls. Some voters are much less likely to move teams down if they win or if they have the week off, while others are more likely to drop and raise teams based on scores and opponents. Still others should be biased to traditional or high prestige teams, while other voters are more likely to reward lesser programs for success. Just a thought, have no idea how it works int he game or if this is even possible.

[Mad Cow]

[QUOTE=SkyDog]WEEK SEVEN CHANGES K-State falls from #3 to #5 with 27-24 loss at Texas. Texas only moves from #15 to #12. Penn St. falls from #1 to #6 with 27-19 home loss vs. Purdue UT falls from #6 to #8 with a 24-19 loss at now-#25 Kentucky Miami falls from #9 to #10 with a 41-37 loss to then #10 FSU (FSU jumps to #7 with the win.) BIGGEST TOP 25 DROP: Bama falls from 14 to 20 with a 37-20 loss #11/#9 LSU. BIGGEST TOP 25 GAIN: #30 Utah St. (now 6-0) moves from #30 to #22 wiht a 26-24 W over Hawaii. Another comment...let's not forget the big picture here. I think what we'd all want would be for the rankings to look "right" at the end of the season. I'd say that if they fluctuate more or less than normal along the way to getting there, then so be it. Let's see how this plays out...[/QUOTE] I really like the way they look in this thread compared to what we have in the beta demo. A marked improvement from what I see and the polls were one of my main concerns. Very nice to see this.

[SkyDog]

WEEK EIGHT CHANGES #4 Va. Tech drops to #6 after 48-20 loss to #10 Miami #10 Miami stays right where they were after 48-20 win at Va. Tech. #5 K-State falls to #8 after 28-6 home loss to Iowa St. #6 Penn St. falls to #9 after 40-13 drubbing at #2 Michigan BIGGEST GAIN: Pitt, from #29 to #19 after 47-24 win at South Florida (record is 5-1) BIGGEST DROP: UT loses 23-10 at Vandy and drops from #8 to #14. Also, #15 ARi St. loses 28-25 to #21/#18 UCLA and falls to #22.

[SkyDog]

WEEK NINE CHANGES Numbers 1-8 from last week all won. 1-5 stay identical. 6 and 7 swap places, 8 stays the same: 6 Va Tech drops to #7 after 44-27 win at NC State 7 Syracause moves to #6 after 30-16 win at Louisville #9 Penn St. loses to Iowa 15-12 and drops to #22 BIGGEST GAIN: W. Michigan (now 7-0) moves from #20 to #14 after 33-17 win at Toledo BIGGEST DROP: Penn St.

[Mad Cow]

[QUOTE=SkyDog]WEEK EIGHT CHANGES #4 Va. Tech drops to #6 after 48-20 loss to #10 Miami #10 Miami stays right where they were after 48-20 win at Va. Tech. #5 K-State falls to #8 after 28-6 home loss to Iowa St. #6 Penn St. falls to #9 after 40-13 drubbing at #2 Michigan [/QUOTE] That looks a little odd to me, but still better than the demo. PSU and Va-Tech should have probably dropped out of the top 10 after being beaten so bad. Same for K-State. Miami should certainly be in or very close to VT's forumer position.

[Mad Cow]

[QUOTE=SkyDog]WEEK NINE CHANGES Numbers 1-8 from last week all won. 1-5 stay identical. 6 and 7 swap places, 8 stays the same: 6 Va Tech drops to #7 after 44-27 win at NC State 7 Syracause moves to #6 after 30-16 win at Louisville #9 Penn St. loses to Iowa 15-12 and drops to #22 BIGGEST GAIN: W. Michigan (now 7-0) moves from #20 to #14 after 33-17 win at Toledo BIGGEST DROP: Penn St.[/QUOTE] I am assuming PSU was undefeated when they lost to Michigan, and the one loss didnt hurt them too bad. But the second loss, this one to Iowa, must have triggered a sever penalty in the game, cause they dropped far even though it was a close loss to a ranked team.

[SkyDog]

WEEK TEN CHANGES #3 Ohio St. loses 45-37 at Penn St., and drops to #5. #5 LSU loses 31-9 at Aubrn, and drops to #9 BIGGEST GAIN: Nebraska moves from #23 to #15 with 30-12 win over Kansas IGGEST DROP: K-State drops from 8 to 16 with 3303 loss at Mizzou

[SkyDog]

WEEK ELEVEN CHANGES #1 Southern Cal loses on the road 33-29 to Oregon St., and drops to #2. just minor shuffling in #3-10, as they all won #11 Arizona was off this week but fell to #15...Maybe their 56-16 loss to SOuthern CAl two weeks ago looks worse now? No one moves up or down more than 5 spots this week

[SkyDog]

WEEK TWELVE CHANGES (note...at the end of the season, I'll post records, rankings, and who they lost to) 1-5 remain the same...all winners #6 Pitt falls to #9 with 34-24 loss at #4 Syracuse AGain, no moves of 5 spots or more

[SkyDog]

WEEK THIRTEEN CHANGES #8 Florida loses 40-27 at Miss. St. and falls to #12. #13 LSU loses 10-7 at Vandy and falls to #20. Nothing else significant,,

[SkyDog]

WEEK FOURTEEN... 1-9 remain idential (all wins) some shuffling 10-15, but just by a spot or two. Several teams in the 16-25 range lose but don't drop move more than a slot or two...of course, it could be that many of them areoff, because this screen shows the last game they played, rather than last week's game...

[Arlie Rahn]

This is very helpful. Thanks, SD.

[gopokes]

The rises in the polls seem almost right on for the most part. A few questions but pretty close to what I'd like to see. Some of the falls seem a little drastic; I don't know if a team with a bye should drop to much. It also seems that if a team loses a close game to another close ranked team the changes shouldn't be to significant.

[dubb93]

[QUOTE]#1 Southern Cal loses on the road 33-29 to Oregon St., and drops to #2.[/QUOTE] At this point was there just 1 other undefeated team?

[SkyDog]

[QUOTE=dubb93]At this point was there just 1 other undefeated team?[/QUOTE]Don't know. I'm at the office. That career is at home.

[SkyDog]

For a more quick test, here's a complete season (through Conf. Championships) run with a build from this morning. Here's the Top 25 after Week 16: [list=1] [*]Miami, 12-0 [*]Michigan, 11-0 [*]Ohio St., 10-1 (lost 36-24 to Michigan) [*]LSU, 10-2 (29-26 #12 Bama, 59-27 at Ole Miss) [*]Oklahoma, 10-2 (36-34 San Jose St., 33-27 at #17 Colorado) [*]Pitt, 10-1 (31-27 at W. Virginia) [*]Wash St., 10-1 (27-13 at UCLA) [*]Texas 9-2 (62-24 at Oklahoma, 30-17 at #16 A&M) [*]Arizona St., 9-2 (38-35 at West Virginia, 18-13 at Wash. St.) [*]New Mexico, 9-2 (33-30 at #13 TCU, 24-13 at Colorado St.) [/list] ....and I was curious...despite betaing 2 Top-Ten teams, WVU only fisnished 5-6.