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Okay, first thing's first: I don't currently have TEW 2010 installed on my computer as my hard drive died horribly and I'm having to borrow someone else's for now. As such, I'm unable to just fiddle around with the product editor until I find what I want. With that in mind...

 

The other day I was thinking about FCW, a company I'll try out as soon as I've got a functioning machine back. Fantastic! I know how to do this, Puerto Rican Power dominates utterly, and gets fed monsters in a steady rotation. Their overness gets built up by eating jobbers for breakfast, and then they get jobbed out until either they come back to prominence or I fire them. It's the little things in life that make you happy.

 

Then I remembered something: Brute gimmicks are mentioned a lot as an easy way of getting someone really over really quickly, but Legitimate gimmicks have the same effects. And while there's a few companies built on foundations of big, powerful hosses killing people dead in five secnonds flat, the kind of companies where Legitimate guys get over well tend to want them to be in serious, competitive matches where your talented undercard get a chance to learn and show their stuff. You don't see UEW or ROF putting on three-minute squash matches, after all. The fans would crap all over them. So how to make this work?

 

This basically boils down to two questions:

 

1: What would this promotion look like? The Brute promotion is very sports-entertainment, big muscular heroes fighting big muscular villains in simple good vs. evil plotlines. What kind of image does a company that builds on Submission Demons and Suplex Machines killing people absolutely dead project?

 

2: What product would work well for this fed? I wouldn't want it to be a true pure wrestler's paradise, because the fans there won't care about the gimmicks and would hate the short and uncompetitive matches. I'd also ideally want it to have popularity as a decent part of the product, so the ludicrous levels of overness I've inflated my upper-card to can really take effect. On the other hand, it has to be favourable to technical wrestlers over all others.

 

I'll be interested to hear what people think.

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One question. Have you actually tested legit gimmicks to see if your assumption is in fact correct (before your computer died)? You're seriously overthinking this. Does the help file make distinctions on what product uses what gimmick type? Why are you making an automatic assumption that the brute gimmick mechanic is the primary purview of sports entertainment promotions? Have you not seen or heard of Vader in Japan? Have you never seen or heard of Brock Lesnar in UFC (not a gimmick, but he's the closest thing to a 'brute' in the company)?

 

Pick the product you want and have at it. There is no cow level in this respect.

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Dude, it's okay. If I had a copy of the game, I would play around. I'd probably already have done it. I'm just interested in hearing what people think about the idea, and seeing if anyone has any suggestions that might help out.

 

I'm not some clueless berk coming on and asking how to play the game. I just thought it was an interesting question.

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I'm not some clueless berk coming on and asking how to play the game. I just thought it was an interesting question.

 

Me too, and Remi seems to continue this alarming trend he's been on recently of generally being terse and a bit of a jerk. There's nothing wrong with your thread and there's no need for him to try to "shut it down" as it were like that.

 

Dear oh dear.

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Dude, it's okay. If I had a copy of the game, I would play around. I'd probably already have done it. I'm just interested in hearing what people think about the idea, and seeing if anyone has any suggestions that might help out.

 

I'm not some clueless berk coming on and asking how to play the game. I just thought it was an interesting question.

 

I wasn't sniping at you, just pointing out that it's not really as divergent as you might think it is. It's perfectly acceptable to have legit type gimmicks in a SE promotion just like it is to have brute gimmicks in performance/work rate based ones. They fit in both cases (just not in large numbers, but that's the case with almost everything except comedy).

 

I run the same brute/menace/domination strat with legit gimmicks (MMA Bad Ass, Shooter, Legitimate Athlete, etc) in this product:

 

Key - Traditional, Mainstream, Modern

Medium - Realism, Lucha, Daredevil

 

Works just the same as Brute does. The two are interchangeable in that respect (by design). While the game doesn't distinguish between them, it's perfectly plausible to have a submission specialist tearing through the job squad. If I remember right, Samoa Joe during his "undefeated" streak was booked precisely like that, wasn't he?

 

Basically, it comes down to what and how you want to book. You can do the brute/legit monster squash thing with ROF, as long as the promotion's settings allow for it (specifically match length). I've done it in 5SSW with Gorgon (Tough Girl gimmick).

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I'm running 21CW, and while I love me my big monsters (Europe ROCKS!), Razor Valentine (famed MMA fighter) is a staple of my midcard. Using his MMA Bad Ass gimmick, he has quick squashes, just like the monsters (quicker even, because I envision the monsters taking their time to enjoy it), before he loses in a longer match to my established talent, or someone I want to elevate.

 

Basically, I book Valentine as being a REDICULOUSLY dangerous dude. If he gets a hold of you in the first minute, you're DONE. Just as every dominant character needs a weakness, his is "stamina". Not in-game stamina, but worked stamina. So, if a match goes longer than, say, 6 minutes, he's all punched out, ala The Rumble in the Jungle (I think that's the right fight).

 

Legitimate gimmicks are just that: Gimmicks. They are characters for your wrestlers to play. Aside from Comedy gimmicks in the upper reaches, they are all equally viable in every promotion (well, unless you're forgoing gimmicks entirely).

 

Free your mind, man. :p

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I wasn't sniping at you, just pointing out that it's not really as divergent as you might think it is. It's perfectly acceptable to have legit type gimmicks in a SE promotion just like it is to have brute gimmicks in performance/work rate based ones. They fit in both cases (just not in large numbers, but that's the case with almost everything except comedy).

 

I run the same brute/menace/domination strat with legit gimmicks (MMA Bad Ass, Shooter, Legitimate Athlete, etc) in this product:

 

Key - Traditional, Mainstream, Modern

Medium - Realism, Lucha, Daredevil

 

Works just the same as Brute does. The two are interchangeable in that respect (by design). While the game doesn't distinguish between them, it's perfectly plausible to have a submission specialist tearing through the job squad. If I remember right, Samoa Joe during his "undefeated" streak was booked precisely like that, wasn't he?

 

Basically, it comes down to what and how you want to book. You can do the brute/legit monster squash thing with ROF, as long as the promotion's settings allow for it (specifically match length). I've done it in 5SSW with Gorgon (Tough Girl gimmick).

 

Cool. Sorry if I came off as defensive.

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Rasche Brown and the Dark City Fight Club (a tag team) all use brute gimmicks in RoH and often squash their opponents. They don't use Eddie Kingston much but when they do he normally kill people in the ring a la brute. Necro Butcher hasn't squashed anyone in loooong time but now that's he's turned heel I predict some "brute" squashes in his near future.

 

Chris Hero dominates people when doing his "Young Knock-Out Kid" gimmick which I would say fits pretty easily into the "Legitimate" category. Also his tag team partner Claudio Clastagnoli tends to dominate lower card guys because the guy, while absolutely technically sound, is also a freakin' powerhouse monster for RoH.

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Works just the same as Brute does. The two are interchangeable in that respect (by design). While the game doesn't distinguish between them, it's perfectly plausible to have a submission specialist tearing through the job squad. If I remember right, Samoa Joe during his "undefeated" streak was booked precisely like that, wasn't he?

 

Not really, beyond like two squash matches right at the beginning. If I remember rightly, he had some really competitive matches on iMPACT with Sonjay Dutt during the days when it was on the 'net. In TEW terms I think he just got over on star quality and talent.

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Me too, and Remi seems to continue this alarming trend he's been on recently of generally being terse and a bit of a jerk. There's nothing wrong with your thread and there's no need for him to try to "shut it down" as it were like that.

 

It wasn't meant to come off as a 'shut this thread down' type of thing. I wasn't attacking Regis, just what I perceived to be a flawed thought process (that of brute/legit gimmicks somehow being for different products, i.e. the 'Then I thought of something' paragraph). The two gimmick categories work similarly in all products that support gimmicks at all. When I saw that my blunt post was taken the wrong way, I elaborated.

 

I think the reason behind it is the fact that the brute thing is done SO much that it's easy to think of a dozen examples of it whereas the legit version is done relatively rarely in comparison so it might be harder to think of examples in a variety of products.

 

And 1PWfan, yeah you're right. I was thinking more of how they were selling the Coquina Clutch in conjunction with Joe's push and X-Division run (the initial one, when he lost the title to Daniels at the three-way Ultimate X, I think?). Seemed like a 'Machine' gimmick to me.

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