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hey everyone started making my real world mod if there is anyone that can help with updated rosters for all promotions i would be very thankful and i need help deciding what promotions should be in the mod only going to put 65 pomotions and the main ones are already done just looking for indy promo's but i do need the updated rosters for the big promo's thank in advanced
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<p>Do what you want of course but honestly there is no way you should put 65 promotions as ACTIVE in the game. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell everybody that comes on here wanting to make a mod. It is a LOT of work and you absolutely HAVE to have an understanding of how the game works. </p><p> </p><p>

No offense but how are you going to include promotions that your not even aware of the rosters? </p><p> </p><p>

My personal suggestion is head over to the Board Effort Mod and ask them if you can help out. It will get you experience making a mod, it will give you a better understanding of the game. </p><p> </p><p>

If you don't even know who's on the rosters for the promotions you want to include then chances are you don't KNOW the guys in those promotions and if you don't know who they are and where they're working then how could you possibly even attempt to give them acceptable statistics? </p><p> </p><p>

Also you stating you want 65 promotions in the game shows me you're not quite sure about the gentle balance of the game. This isn't EWR and it matters what promotions and where you have them active at. </p><p> </p><p>

I would suggest before going any further you contact Tommy Tomlin, Genadi, Derek B, Remi, Jimmy Shakerz, the 77 Mod crew (Mr T Jobs to Me, PeterHilton, JTlant) and get advice from them before going any further.</p>

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i have been doing this for a while now (the mod i started) and i know what it intells and i only need help with the rosters because they are changed every day it seems so updates are all i really need and i know how the game works but thanks for the advice sir..................
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jaysonm" data-cite="jaysonm" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="29537" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>i have been doing this for a while now (the mod i started) and i know what it intells and i only need help with the rosters because they are changed every day it seems so updates are all i really need and i know how the game works but thanks for the advice sir..................</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not to be rude, but Stennick knows what he's talking about. These aren't the days of EWR when you could put the amount of promotions to the max and still have the game run easy. And even then, 35 was the max.</p><p> </p><p> Modmaking is a major major major endeavor. And honestly, the default data is the golden rule. Use that as a basis. The ratios, the number of promotions. Everything. It was made like that because that's how the game is supposed to run.</p>
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... Guys, it sounds like he has just about the whole thing done except Indie promotions. Even sounds like he might have most the wrestler's that would be in these promotions if he had the updated rosters. His question wasn't "How do I go about....." his question was "Anyone have some updated rosters?" He then goes on to say None of the major ones, just indie's, and doesn't want to go over 65 promotions.

 

Bah, bassically all I'm saying is you don't have enough information to automatically assume the guy doesn't know what he's doing (if that's not what you meant, it's totally how it come off). You could be totally right of course, but what if your completely wrong?

 

This should have been the first post after the OP's post.

What type of mod are you making and aiming for? What year is it set? For people to help you this information will help. ;)

Genadi, well known Mod-Maker, asks the questions that are relevant to helping the OP's request.

 

Oh, and don't take me the wrong way here. I like both of you guys alot (Stennick and Midnightnick)... However if you are taking me the wrong way.......:p to both of you:).

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... Guys, it sounds like he has just about the whole thing done except Indie promotions.

 

Bah, bassically all I'm saying is you don't have enough information to automatically assume the guy doesn't know what he's doing (if that's not what you meant, it's totally how it come off). You could be totally right of course, but what if your completely wrong?

 

 

OK..first things first..about two weeks ago he posted on here about making a real world mod and he wasn't too receptive about getting help then, so maybe that explains the response

 

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217172

 

Secondly, if you read the post through..

 

hey everyone started making my real world mod if there is anyone that can help with updated rosters for all promotions i would be very thankful and i need help deciding what promotions should be in the mod only going to put 65 pomotions and the main ones are already done just looking for indy promo's but i do need the updated rosters for the big promo's thank in advanced

 

He doesn't have 'just about' the whole thing done.

 

He needs help deciding which indy promotions to put in AND their roster AND the rosters for the 'main ones.'

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Yeah man its your mod and do what you want but I just had a hard time believing you knew how the game functioned when you said you were making 65 promotions active.

 

However since you know how the game functions I'm sure you realize the amount of active indy workers you'll need to have in each area to take care of that, I'm sure you realize that if you don't have more than enough guys active in each area the guys you do have will be maxed out in employment which will set in fatigue which will then cause injury thus pulling on the active pool of workers even more creating a pretty large fatigue problem in the effected areas.

 

Oh and if you have 65 promotions you're going to be having crazy amounts of regional battles every month constantly dropping promotions in size and the workers they do have assigned to them leaving the company when they become too small for them not too mention other un mentioned problems.

 

There are 36 active promotions in the game with most likely just under 2,000 active workers. If you're adding 30 promotions to the game on top of that even if you just 20 workers for those 30 promotions thats an additional 600 workers. Then you add in future workers, free agents, and you're over 3,000 workers with ease.

 

I have helped on the 1989 mod, I've helped on the Board Effort Mod, I'm working on the 05 mod with Comradebot, not too mention I've played the 97 and 77 C Verse mods until I knew them frontwards and backwards.

 

None of those real world or C Verse have I seen a mod with over 3,000 workers and if you have 65 promotions active then you'll be the first. But since you know the game and you know about all of this then I'm sure you have your balance issues, your game play issues, your game load time issues, pretty much figured out.

 

Like I said I'd hate for you to release something you weren't 100 percent happy with or even worse you release something and ask for feedback and you get ten pages worth of mistake riddled feedback from people trying to play your mod. If you just started working on this two weeks ago or even a month ago, either you have worked on it non stop day and night or you have rushed it and have little time to worry about things like statistical balance in the game. Its your mod and your name but being a new member here I'll just offer the same friendly advice again, talk to the more experienced mod makers that I named in my earlier post and I'm sure you'll pick up on a clue or two you may have over looked......but good luck.

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Actually, after research and talking to the right people you're selling the program a little short. It's capable of more then what is normally seen but by the time you have created a universe large enough to test the limits you would need to convert through a couple additional releases.

 

But it would be a killer on load time.

 

I'll find the post and link to it but at least render wise it would take 32,000 to overload a single picture file. I don't think anyone is going to sit around and make that many people anyway plus like I said load time would be a killer.

 

Some of my info I got straight from the horses mouth. ;)

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... Guys, it sounds like he has just about the whole thing done except Indie promotions. Even sounds like he might have most the wrestler's that would be in these promotions if he had the updated rosters. His question wasn't "How do I go about....." his question was "Anyone have some updated rosters?" He then goes on to say None of the major ones, just indie's, and doesn't want to go over 65 promotions.

 

Bah, bassically all I'm saying is you don't have enough information to automatically assume the guy doesn't know what he's doing (if that's not what you meant, it's totally how it come off). You could be totally right of course, but what if your completely wrong?

 

This should have been the first post after the OP's post.

 

Genadi, well known Mod-Maker, asks the questions that are relevant to helping the OP's request.

 

Oh, and don't take me the wrong way here. I like both of you guys alot (Stennick and Midnightnick)... However if you are taking me the wrong way.......:p to both of you:).

 

 

thank you for defending me i know i was an ass before but all i was asking for was a little help and if some ppl dont want to help me then thats fine but please dont comment then all i'm looking for is ppl that want 2 help thank you

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What type of mod are you making and aiming for? What year is it set? For people to help you this information will help. ;)

 

it's set for real time so just to be clear i do have all of the major promos and wrestlers just need indy's and if you could updates on the major one's because they fire and hire ppl like crazy lol thank you

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jaysonm" data-cite="jaysonm" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="29537" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>it's set for real time so just to be clear i do have all of the major promos and wrestlers just need indy's and if you could updates on the major one's because they fire and hire ppl like crazy lol thank you</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yikes, if it's set for real time, you're gonna have a HECK of a time keeping it up to date. One of the main reasons I like to stick to fictional myself.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dvdWarrior" data-cite="dvdWarrior" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="29537" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yikes, if it's set for real time, you're gonna have a HECK of a time keeping it up to date. One of the main reasons I like to stick to fictional myself.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> lol i know thats why i had asked for help lol</p>
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<p>y'know...I always think that up-to-the-minute accuracy is a little overrated. why not just pick a start date..say WM of this past year..and then put the rosters together from there. </p><p> </p><p>

If people want to make the roster changes, they can do that themselves. If your data is good and playable, that's what is most important.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="29537" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>y'know...I always think that up-to-the-minute accuracy is a little overrated. why not just pick a start date..say WM of this past year..and then put the rosters together from there. <p> </p><p> If people want to make the roster changes, they can do that themselves. If your data is good and playable, that's what is most important.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> that is a good idea but i use to want someone to do a real time mod before so i decided to stop being lazy and do it myself lol so i'm going to give this a try and if it fails it would have been worth it to me but thank you for that advice</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="29537" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually, after research and talking to the right people you're selling the program a little short. It's capable of more then what is normally seen but by the time you have created a universe large enough to test the limits you would need to convert through a couple additional releases.<p> </p><p> <em><strong>But it would be a killer on load time.</strong></em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then it's not a playable mod to most people. If you have time to watch a sitcom between days due to loading times, is that really a playable mod?</p><p> </p><p> For the OP, Peter's advice is on point. What good is "up to date" information when it changes almost every day? By the time you've plugged changes into the mod, more changes are made that require updating. Pick a date, say December 1st and do all your updates up to that point and stop. Then you call it a December 1st edition and make updates monthly (kinda like, what's that guy's name again? Oh yeah, MrCanada). As far as indies go, it would help if you'd specify what regions of the world you're looking for promotions for. Hell, I can name off 65 indy promotions in the US alone! There are like 20 or so in the Northeast, for example. Also, what kind of progression are you looking for from the mod? By that I mean, how do you want/see the world developing? A mod with lots of local promotions tends to have many/most workers with a good shot at employment (which might speed their improvement, or have a chance to) whereas a mod with more promotions at the Regional and higher levels tend to have a lot of unemployed folks just sittin' around for long stretches of time, only tending to get hired when a big promotion poaches the talent of the promotions beneath them (food chain, poop rolls downhill unless you're already at rock bottom, etc).</p><p> </p><p> I'm more familiar with the tiny promotions (Oz Academy, APW, PWU/WSU, WEW, etc) and so-called "micro indies" than the large ones but if you're looking for bigger promotions, I'll save my emails. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jaysonm" data-cite="jaysonm" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="29537" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>it's set for real time so just to be clear i do have all of the major promos and wrestlers just need indy's and if you could updates on the major one's because they fire and hire ppl like crazy lol thank you</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Like others have mentioned it's hard to keep a live version going, if people like the mod it won't be too hard to get feedback on roster updates etc. My suggestion is that if that is your long term goal, start from the most recent date you can, say Nov 1st 2010. That way once the mammoth task of putting the mod together is over you can start to update it as often you can.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="29537" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Like others have mentioned it's hard to keep a live version going, if people like the mod it won't be too hard to get feedback on roster updates etc. My suggestion is that if that is your long term goal, start from the most recent date you can, say Nov 1st 2010. That way once the mammoth task of putting the mod together is over you can start to update it as often you can.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's exactly my opinion.</p><p> </p><p> However, I would really love to have an alternative real life mod. Not that the MCD thing is bad, but why not have 2 or 3?</p><p> Once you uploaded a first version, I can help you with feedback for WWE, RoH and some other Indy Guys if you like to.</p><p> Don't forget to add CHIKARA to you're DB, it is really missing on that other thing.</p><p> </p><p> Keep on working, because competition is good for business. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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  • 3 weeks later...
OK..first things first..about two weeks ago he posted on here about making a real world mod and he wasn't too receptive about getting help then, so maybe that explains the response

 

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217172

 

Secondly, if you read the post through..

 

 

 

He doesn't have 'just about' the whole thing done.

 

He needs help deciding which indy promotions to put in AND their roster AND the rosters for the 'main ones.'

 

Yep, your right, I was totally unaware of that (Well, I think I read it, just didn't put the name to it before you pointed it out).

 

y'know...I always think that up-to-the-minute accuracy is a little overrated. why not just pick a start date..say WM of this past year..and then put the rosters together from there.

 

If people want to make the roster changes, they can do that themselves. If your data is good and playable, that's what is most important.

 

This... I really think that's the only way you can do it logically. Get the data to a "Point" where you can work on it without having to change it daily. Then do monthly, or bi-monthly, or my favorites would be semi-annual or annual updates. To me the monthly one's don't seem to be different enough to really download, outside of a few here and there. Meaning, it's easier to just fix it up myself with the one's I'm most interested in... Only takes about as long as downloading and applying the new data to the game anyways, and it's alot less data to deal with in the long run (your not duplicating it).

 

Like others have mentioned it's hard to keep a live version going, if people like the mod it won't be too hard to get feedback on roster updates etc. My suggestion is that if that is your long term goal, start from the most recent date you can, say Nov 1st 2010. That way once the mammoth task of putting the mod together is over you can start to update it as often you can.

 

/nod. You should really take the advice of people. I know you asked for a completely updated mod, and that's why your doing it in the first place, but you have to understand that you will be changing employment on people faster then your actually adding data to the database. Get your database done as a base, then after your done, start updating it...

 

Meaning, get all the promotions, worker's, tv shows and PPV's etc, belts and all that stuff done first. Then after you get that DATA working in a play-able state, start updating your roster's. Updating them every day is going to take you forever and a day... Forever and a day! Meaning, unless your the flash, and can move 360 times faster then any other human being, your not going to accomplish your goal as it's too unrealistic (to start with).

 

Set a realistic goal, then challenge yourself with higher goals.

 

For good up to the minute rosters check wikipedia. People seem to keep the rosters pretty well up to date there.

 

Surprisingly, I find Wiki is pretty good for almost everything I do.... However, I have to go with other sources (I just google till I find a sight to be honest) for older resource's... Which road agents, referee's and such are harder to come by.

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