mistaken Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 lets have a general discusion about how we want to see things run here. All are free to comment. This years DOTY will be put on by: 20LEgend Eisen-verse helping: Mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1) Thanks a lot should it be Eisen Verse I get onto about the schedule and everything?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <strong>I'll let Eisen decide that. for now lets go with it's a group thing and try to make some decisions. you and Eisen are free to change said decisions.</strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>2) Is there a Curator/ comitee Survey Monkey or should I use my own (I pretty sure I have an account)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <strong>There are. I will did out the passwords and get them over to you, when we get there. there are two free accounts allowing for up to 20 categories</strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>3) When do you reckoner the earliest we should start / open the nominations thread (I'd imagine it's the same categories from last year and format) I nominate midnight tonight / turn of the year GMT, but is that a bit early.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <strong>Every year the list seems to change some what. 20LEgend will you pull and post a quick list of last years categories, so we can have a quick discussion?</strong></p><p> </p><p> I think we could reasonably have this up by Sunday night if we can reach a quick consensus.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 <p>Last year there was:</p><p> </p><p> Diary of the Year (RW vs. CV DOTY)</p><p> Real World DOTY</p><p> C Verse DOTY</p><p> Alternate DOTY</p><p> Writer of the Year (must be nominated in atleast another category)</p><p> </p><p> Most compelling worker</p><p> Tag Team OTY</p><p> Stable OTY</p><p> Rocky Maivia Award - 'Which wrestler couldn't you care less about IRL, but really enjoy in this dynasty?'</p><p> Match OTY</p><p> Feud OTY</p><p> </p><p> Best new writer</p><p> Show OTY</p><p> Best Promos</p><p> Best match write ups</p><p> best presentation</p><p> best breakin kayfabe posts OTY</p><p> Most improved DOTY</p><p> </p><p> were last years</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Just curious if this was put in the 2008 diary section on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just curious if this was put in the 2008 diary section on purpose?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Mistaken put it here so it's out of the way</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 <p><span style="color:#0000FF;">Diary of the Year (RW vs. CV DOTY)</span></p><p><span style="color:#0000FF;"> Real World DOTY</span></p><p><span style="color:#0000FF;"> C Verse DOTY</span></p><p><span style="color:#0000FF;"> Alternate DOTY</span></p><p><span style="color:#0000FF;"> Writer of the Year (must be nominated in atleast another category)</span> - <span style="color:#A0522D;">the standards no use discussin</span>g</p><p> </p><p> Most compelling worker</p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;">Tag Team OTY</span></p><p><span style="color:#FF0000;"> Stable OTY</span></p><p><span style="color:#FF0000;"> Rocky Maivia Award - 'Which wrestler couldn't you care less about IRL, but really enjoy in this dynasty?'</span></p><p><span style="color:#FF0000;"> Match OTY</span></p><p><span style="color:#FF0000;"> Feud OTY</span> <span style="color:#A0522D;">I think they should be redone. may be Group of the year (tag team or stable) Person of the year (that is rocky, heel, face manager. just he best character.) I could how ever be convince that going all the way back is better. having tag team, stable, heel, face, manager/personality, & rocky. or just keeping exactly what we have.</span></p><p> </p><p> Best new writer</p><p> <strong>Show OTY</strong></p><p><strong> Best Promos</strong></p><p><strong> Best match write ups</strong></p><p><strong> best presentation</strong></p><p><strong> best breakin kayfabe posts OTY</strong> <span style="color:#A0522D;">I like these but think we should discuss</span></p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;">Most improved DOTY</span><span style="color:#A0522D;"> to subjective</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> your thoughts. (anyone)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just curious if this was put in the 2008 diary section on purpose?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> but you are of cource free to put your two cents in. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="20LEgend" data-cite="20LEgend" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Mistaken put it here so it's out of the way</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That actually makes a ton of sense. </p><p> </p><p> I'm not sure how much my opinion matters, but I'll throw it around regardless. I kinda go back and forth between the idea of minimizing the categories. Having just the "basics" means a bit less work for you folks and it streamlines the whole process... but I quite honestly like having those extra categories. They tend to be fun and give a chance for some folks to win who may miss on the the "bigger" categories. I don't think it would be difficult to get enough nominations for those ones. </p><p> </p><p> Feud could be made to be Feud or Storyline OTY. So it can be a larger storyline rather than focusing more specifically on individual feuds. </p><p> </p><p> Most Improved does seem a tough one to quantify...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That actually makes a ton of sense. <p> </p><p> I'm not sure how much my opinion matters, but I'll throw it around regardless. I kinda go back and forth between the idea of minimizing the categories. Having just the "basics" means a bit less work for you folks and it streamlines the whole process... but I quite honestly like having those extra categories. They tend to be fun and give a chance for some folks to win who may miss on the the "bigger" categories. I don't think it would be difficult to get enough nominations for those ones. </p><p> </p><p> Feud could be made to be Feud or Storyline OTY. So it can be a larger storyline rather than focusing more specifically on individual feuds. </p><p> </p><p> Most Improved does seem a tough one to quantify...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> my personal issue, is that no matter how many categories we add, 90% of the winning will be done by 3 o4 names. even giving out 2nd & thrid seems to just be oh the guy who won 4 came in second in 4 and third in 4.</p><p> </p><p> more categories does not seem to be = to a wider set of winners.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 I agree with the points you two have made, but I don't have the insight of previous years so, I go with whatever is decided <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisen-verse Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mistaken" data-cite="mistaken" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>my personal issue, is that no matter how many categories we add, 90% of the winning will be done by 3 o4 names. even giving out 2nd & thrid seems to just be oh the guy who won 4 came in second in 4 and third in 4.<p> </p><p> more categories does not seem to be = to a wider set of winners.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The hard part, as it would seem knowing the boards, is that most of the big names will certainly win. While there is a reason they are a 'big name' some don't read the dynasties themselves and then vote at the end of the year. Sadly, I think that's what comes to happen so the lesser known writers get pushed aside as it becomes somewhat of a popularity contest (It seems from an outsiders perspective). </p><p> </p><p> That said, the only thing you could really do to curb that would be to continually advise that people 'get to know' some writers work before they vote? I mean, people will vote for what they've read, or at least what they are use to, so I guess we'd have to see how it all unfolds.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Feud could be made to be Feud or Storyline OTY. So it can be a larger storyline rather than focusing more specifically on individual feuds. </p></div></blockquote><p> I like that idea. Some people might have written some very compelling storylines that wouldn't necessarily be classified as "feuds."</p><p> </p><p> As for possibly streamlining the number of awards given out: I can see both sides to that. There are quite a few awards...but, at the same time, more awards means a greater chance that I personally won't finish empty-handed, like last year. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Seriously though, I think the best idea is to not pay much attention to how many awards there are, and instead look at each award on a case-by-case basis, and decide whether it should be included or not. I saw mistaken highlight a few awards in particular, and when I have time, I'll come back and look them over. But for now, I gotta run.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob5KC Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30044" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The hard part, as it would seem knowing the boards, is that most of the big names will certainly win. While there is a reason they are a 'big name' some don't read the dynasties themselves and then vote at the end of the year. Sadly, I think that's what comes to happen so the lesser known writers get pushed aside as it becomes somewhat of a popularity contest (It seems from an outsiders perspective). <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But isn't that the exact purpose of a year end award? To see exactly who is most popular?</p><p> </p><p> As a VERY lesser known (practically unknown at the moment) writer, I think if it's meant to happen, it will. We (the lesser known in particular, but everyone that actively contributes a diary) need to keep pumping out quality stuff and accolades will come in time. Part of the problem (everywhere and not just these forums) is that people want instant gratification rather than having to "earn" something over time. </p><p> </p><p> EV, I understand the point you're making and to be honest, there's no way I could even begin to read every story/diary/dynasty, or whatever else anyone wants to call them, on these forums. I doubt there's anyone here that could, so it boils down to what catches peoples attention and gets them to come back to find out what happens next. Get people familiar with our style (or lack thereof, in my case <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> ) and they'll become comfortable and come back to check our work out and keep it in mind at this time of the year.</p><p> </p><p> I hope that doesn't sound like I'm lecturing, because I honestly don't mean to. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Just my $.05 (adjusted for inflation!) <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted January 2, 2011 Author Share Posted January 2, 2011 <p>seems general consensus would be happy with killing "most improved"</p><p> </p><p> modifiying fued of the year into storyline or fued of the year.</p><p> </p><p> and I propose spliting most compelling worker back into two categories</p><p> </p><p> most compelling wrestler</p><p> most compelling non wrestler.</p><p> </p><p> category count would come out the same.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Sounds good, mistaken. And I know what you mean about more categories not necessarily meaning more diverse winners, but at least it becomes possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Those changes seem good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 So when are we getting this set up? Or is everything ready to start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistaken Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 throw it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Cool, I will start now, as it stands the cutoff date is TBA what should I put it as I'm tempted to go until 31st of January, this seem OK. Is 'self nomination' just picking yourself? I presume so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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