AlexB Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just ruin this game. I honestly can't think of a more unenjoyable, illogical part of any game I have played. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 What happened? Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just ruin this game. I honestly can't think of a more unenjoyable, illogical part of any game I have played. That is all. Illogical? How do you think fighters get resigned, or should I ask how would you like it to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Illogical? How do you think fighters get resigned, or should I ask how would you like it to be? Well I did throw a one million dollar base and signing bonus at Fezzik and he still went with Alpha who was paying him $850,000. I also offered him a ton of incentives and gave him a 100% win percentage. So either he has a bad business manger or he is really loyal to ALPHA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexB Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 I just find the whole process immensely frustrating and wanted to express this to something other than my monitor. I feel better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexB Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Illogical? How do you think fighters get resigned, or should I ask how would you like it to be? Instead 'I want more money' or 'I want a higher percentage' the feedback should be 'I was thinking more of £2000' or 'I need you to get to 7.5%', Or 'I'm not accepting less than 25% merchandise fees'. Quantifying the repsonses would be a huge step forward, and making it more natural, more organic would help too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Instead 'I want more money' or 'I want a higher percentage' the feedback should be 'I was thinking more of £2000' or 'I need you to get to 7.5%', Or 'I'm not accepting less than 25% merchandise fees'. Quantifying the repsonses would be a huge step forward, and making it more natural, more organic would help too Fair enough. You substantiated your point this time. I do see your point though, but to be honest I just don't get that frustrated with the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingo Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Instead 'I want more money' or 'I want a higher percentage' the feedback should be 'I was thinking more of £2000' or 'I need you to get to 7.5%', Or 'I'm not accepting less than 25% merchandise fees'. Quantifying the repsonses would be a huge step forward, and making it more natural, more organic would help too Wouldn't that make it a little too .. dare i say easy? I find a large part of the fun seeing if i can guess what a fighter will fight for. Or am i missing something!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 unfortunately 9 out of 10 contracts are all about base pay. then with big name guys you may have to up medical coverage and performance pay but not much changes the actual acceptance/decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexB Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 Wouldn't that make it a little too .. dare i say easy? I find a large part of the fun seeing if i can guess what a fighter will fight for. Or am i missing something!? You're missing something - in a negotiation you get quantifed feedback: they say higher, you offer lower, you meet somewhere in the middle. At the minute the fighters don't negotiate - it's more like Play Your Cards Right. It's pointless negitiating at any base pay less than £200 below their original asking point at LLR/MLR levels 6 months in. One alaternative would be for the process can stay how it is, but you can restart them afterwards. Sometimes it's three offers and "I'm not talking to you any more" for six months. It doesn't allow flexibility - it means you give them pretty much what they ask for, maybe £200 less on low or mid level regional contracts, or you're screwed for 6 months. The penalty is too severe for not agreeing a 'deal' It's also cumbersome in terms of clicks, which adds to the frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 One thing has to go for sure... when a fighter complains that his 1,000,000 signing bonus isn't enough... I cant give you more. I'm at a point now where basically, money is not an object. Now that doesn't mean I can go around giving everybody 50% of each PPV, but I can sign anyone I want if I want him bad enough. I love to throw signing bonuses around because I have the $$ so if it'll make him sign for less extras (less medical coverage, cuts of merch, cuts of PPV, etc) then I'm in. That crap where he's complaining about not getting enough when I offer him 1,000,000 needs to go or raise the limit on how much I can give a guy in bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 or base pay. 1,000,000 dollar isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda11 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Are you using the latest patch? I'm not 100% sure but I think Adam made some changes to the negociation process in it. Also, I would just like to say that I enjoy the new negociation process because it's a little more complex than in WMMA2 and you can actually negociate with a fighter instead of having to pay them what they ask you for. To me the negociations are almost like a game inside the game where if you are bad at it you probably won't have much success with your WMMA3 promotion especially if you start are a smaller org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinke Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Negotiations just seem to happen a lot more frequently than they did in TEW which can make them seem a bit repetitive. Especially since there's lots of clicking involved. Maybe I just need to play longer, but impatient fighters I find are just a lot harder to deal with than TEW, too. Like they ask for medical coverage and merchandise and you only have two shots at getting them to agree to your offer. It would be nice if I'm clearly moving in the right direction that they cut me some slack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Negotiations just seem to happen a lot more frequently than they did in TEW which can make them seem a bit repetitive. Especially since there's lots of clicking involved. Maybe I just need to play longer, but impatient fighters I find are just a lot harder to deal with than TEW, too. Like they ask for medical coverage and merchandise and you only have two shots at getting them to agree to your offer. It would be nice if I'm clearly moving in the right direction that they cut me some slack. What I do (and I do not care if it is thought of as cheating), is if there is a fighter that I really want to sign again and negotiations go to the crapper, I just turn the auto save off. That way I can try and figure out what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Negotiations just seem to happen a lot more frequently than they did in TEW which can make them seem a bit repetitive. Especially since there's lots of clicking involved. Maybe I just need to play longer, but impatient fighters I find are just a lot harder to deal with than TEW, too. Like they ask for medical coverage and merchandise and you only have two shots at getting them to agree to your offer. It would be nice if I'm clearly moving in the right direction that they cut me some slack. If you want negotiations to happen less frequently try signing people to longer contracts. Impatient fighters are meant to be difficult, that's the point of them being impatient . They take either guess work at the lowest they will accept or give them even more if you are desperate to keep them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexB Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 What I do (and I do not care if it is thought of as cheating), is if there is a fighter that I really want to sign again and negotiations go to the crapper, I just turn the auto save off. That way I can try and figure out what they want. This is how I've resolved myself to them too in the end - if they genuinely seem to want more than I'm prepared to offer, I let them go. But I'll be buggered if I'm going to accept having three guesses and then no dialogue for six months if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexB Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 Negotiations just seem to happen a lot more frequently than they did in TEW which can make them seem a bit repetitive. Especially since there's lots of clicking involved. Maybe I just need to play longer, but impatient fighters I find are just a lot harder to deal with than TEW, too. Like they ask for medical coverage and merchandise and you only have two shots at getting them to agree to your offer. It would be nice if I'm clearly moving in the right direction that they cut me some slack. I agree - this is what I was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I wish you could turn off the bar when it comes to Negotiations deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexB Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 I wish you could turn off the bar when it comes to Negotiations deals In all fairness, I have been playing at 5 user skills across the board. I did a trial with negotiations at 7, and they are much much better - they last longer you get more feedback, and they feel better overall That's the way forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunGBD Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have a 9 but still I ran out of time trying to re-sign someone, it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGRaaize Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I love negotiations, they are one of my favorite aspects of the game. I lost Mason Archer, Ari Peltonen, etc, by risking my cards on them and getting the bastards to go out on me, but I also managed to get deals that were a steal for great fighters. Its a lot of fun, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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