Unusual QB Rotation

[SlyBelle]

Just played a game and it seemed strange how my QBs rotated on a drive. They seemed to switch on each play. I could see it happening at a series level, but not sure I would see this multiple times within the same series. Any thoughts? Penn State ball, Q4, 2-3-PAST41 (03:35) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: I Form, Play: I-SE-curls Defense: Stop Pass, Set: 4-3, Play: 43-pass-DZ QB J. Robustelli completes a 9 yard hook to WR D. Heard (OLB C. Young). Pass Interference against FS Jamal Buggs on Wisconsin. The Penalty is for 9 yards, and an automatic first down. The penalty will be declined. Penn State ball, Q4, 1-10-PAST50 (03:24) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: I Form, Play: I-SE-curls Defense: Normal, Set: Dime, Play: Dime-norm-MZ-B7,8 QB J. Favre throws an incomplete pass to TE T. Hulsey. Penn State ball, Q4, 2-10-PAST50 (03:06) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: Pro Set, Play: PS-FL-outs Defense: Stop Pass, Set: 4-3, Play: 43-pass-ZoneBlitz QB J. Robustelli throws an incomplete pass to RB J. Middleton. Penn State ball, Q4, 3-10-PAST50 (02:46) 0-30 Offense: Medium Pass, Set: Double TE, Play: DTE-FL-rollout-str Defense: Stop Pass, Set: 4-3, Play: 43-pass-TMan QB J. Favre completes a 12 yard streak to WR A. Hall (SS B. Bland). Penn State ball, Q4, 1-10-WIS38 (02:22) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: I Form, Play: I-SE-slant-FL-str Defense: Normal, Set: Nickel, Play: Nickel-norm-DZ-B8 QB J. Robustelli completes a 10 yard dump off to RB J. Middleton (OOB). Delay of Game against Penn State. The Penalty is for 5 yards. The Defense will accept the penalty. It is now First and 15 at the Wisconsin 33. Penn State ball, Q4, 1-15-WIS33 (02:07) 0-30 Offense: Medium Pass, Set: I Form, Play: I-FB-playact-flat Defense: Normal, Set: Nickel, Play: Nickel-norm-Man QB J. Robustelli completes a 19 yard post to TE G. Scifres (OLB H. Keyworth). Penn State ball, Q4, 1-10-WIS14 (01:50) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: Double TE, Play: DTE-FL-rollout-str Defense: Stop Pass, Set: 4-3, Play: 43-norm-MZ-B5,6 QB J. Favre completes a 12 yard out to TE T. Hulsey (OLB C. Young, ILB K. Scott). Passer beyond Line of Scrimmage against QB Julian Favre on Penn State. The Penalty is for 5 yards, and a loss of down. The Defense will accept the penalty. It is now Second and 15 at the Wisconsin 19. Penn State ball, Q4, 2-15-WIS19 (01:37) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: Strong, Play: ST-HB-playact-cross Defense: Normal, Set: Nickel, Play: Nickel-norm-Man-B6 QB J. Robustelli completes a 5 yard in to RB J. Middleton (FS J. Buggs). Penn State ball, Q4, 3-10-WIS14 (01:16) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: I Form, Play: I-FB-playact-flat Defense: Stop Run, Set: 4-3, Play: 43-run-Man-B5,7 QB J. Favre throws an incomplete pass to FB B. Flagler (ILB K. Scott). Penn State ball, Q4, 4-10-WIS14 (01:09) 0-30 Offense: Long Pass, Set: Strong, Play: ST-SE-curls Defense: Stop Pass, Set: Dime, Play: Dime-pass-ZoneBlitz QB J. Robustelli throws an incomplete pass to WR L. Love.

[Dirk9827]

This same things happened to me while playing the demo last night. It was kind of funny. I have my starter in most of the game while playing Army (we were Air Force) and despite moving the ball, we can't score.. After the second stringer comes in and throws a TD, I think, "hey, we have ourselves a new quarterback!" Well, the next eight attempts included 1 completion and two picks, we finally got the ball back at our own 12 yard line down four points with 23 second remaining. I put the starter back in the game (he has the stronger arm) and called a long pass....Our guy catches it and get out of bounds at our 45. Now there are 14 seconds left. So, I have him heave another long pass...and it's caught and our guy gets down to the Army 2 yard line. Our quarterback runs down there and spikes the ball! Two seconds left! And then, the computer rotates in the other quarterback (I didn't noticethis). The guy passes on a slant, hits the receiver, touchdown, Air Force pulls off a stunner! When I saw the play-by-play and noticed that we rotated the QB out at the last second, I thought, "Now what coach would possibly do that? The guy drives you 86 yards in two plays, and THEN you decide, with two seconds left in the game, that NOW is a good time to give the backup a little work?" It was funny. It worked, so obviously the coach who "decided" to send in the second stringer knew more than me!

[SlyBelle]

It is interesting...but ultimately not sure this would really ever happen. Hoping this might get reviewed and corrected.

[Dirk9827]

I agree, it shouldn't really work this way...However, my starter was *slightly* injured so it is possible that he could have been hurt and the logic dictated that a better QB go in there. I doubt that was the case and think it was more or less some substitution logic that needs a little closer look.

[SlyBelle]

[QUOTE=SlyBelle]Penn State ball, Q4, 1-10-WIS38 (02:22) 0-30 Offense: Short Pass, Set: I Form, Play: I-SE-slant-FL-str Defense: Normal, Set: Nickel, Play: Nickel-norm-DZ-B8 QB J. Robustelli completes a 10 yard dump off to RB J. Middleton (OOB). Delay of Game against Penn State. The Penalty is for 5 yards. The Defense will accept the penalty. It is now First and 15 at the Wisconsin 33. [/QUOTE] Also just noticed when reviewing the log, a bug in the penalty logic. I was at the 38, completed a pass. But received a 5 yard penalty. However, moved me to the 33 yard line. I think it was confused that I was on my own side of the 50, but in fact on was on my opponents. It should have moved the ball back to the 43.

[Scott Vibert]

Do the teams involved have a Short Yardage QB who is different. In the first scenario where the ball was moved to the 2, this would be a prime occurance for the Short Yardage guy to have been sent in. Also what was the QB playing time percentage set too?

[SlyBelle]

[QUOTE=Scott Vibert]Do the teams involved have a Short Yardage QB who is different. In the first scenario where the ball was moved to the 2, this would be a prime occurance for the Short Yardage guy to have been sent in. Also what was the QB playing time percentage set too?[/QUOTE] Scott, When the rotation was happening, I was at the 50 yeard line so I don't think that would be it. In addition, I would think if I was bringing in a short yardage QB, he would be running it. In all cases, he was putting the ball up just like the main QB was. As for playing time, %, I left them as default which was 100% for my starter. BTW: Have played a few more games where I have seen this as well. I haven't seen a pattern. CPU seems to make the decision for me.

[Tim Plum]

Short yardage Qb can appear anywhere on the field. What type of offense are you using?

[SlyBelle]

[QUOTE=Tim Plum]Short yardage Qb can appear anywhere on the field. What type of offense are you using?[/QUOTE] Smash Mouth is my offense. I understand they can come onto the field at anytime (most of the time the distance was not short), but in reality they normally come on when you only have short yardage to go. I certainly understand this may be an oddity (although someone else saw it as well), but I really don't think this issue can be disputed. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of it and understand this is a first release. I'm generally pleased with most aspects of the game. But this does seem like an issue, unless somebody has another explaination as to why this would happen. In addition, I think the penalty issue as part of this message is also an issue (i've seen penalty comments from other folks as well). Only other thing I can think of, even though I haven't looked much at it, could it have anything to do with the player's stamina? Maybe my QB was tired and then got some energy to go back into the game and the game logic was following this to the letter. However, even if this had something to do with it, I would still think the subbing AI would need a little tweaking since this kind of scenario would likely not happen (the QB would tough it out). Just a thought.