20LEgend Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 10 years since WCW's last Nitro, (and my seventh birthday ) what are people memories of WCW, what are the biggest changes in wrestling in the last 10 years, who has gone on to have the best career? Just a bit of a discussion of 10 years since wrestling was monopolized. My favourite guy in WCW at the time was Booker T, always argued with my brother he was better than Goldberg. Any body got any cool stories?
Big Roguey Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Happy 10th anniversary of your seventh birthday. I would say in all honesty Jarrett has went on to do the best out of the WCW Crew.
angeldelayette Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 10 years since WCW's last Nitro, (and my seventh birthday ) what are people memories of WCW, what are the biggest changes in wrestling in the last 10 years, who has gone on to have the best career? Just a bit of a discussion of 10 years since wrestling was monopolized. My favourite guy in WCW at the time was Booker T, always argued with my brother he was better than Goldberg. Any body got any cool stories? Probably my best WCW story is one I am sure I have told on here several times. It's the story of Ric Flair and Arn Anderson (who I had met prior because I wrestled with their sons) waving to me during the commercial break of a Monday Nitro. That definitely made my evening.
BHK1978 Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Having grown up on the WWF, when I discovered the NWA/WCW back in 1989(Right when Terry Funk piledrived Ric Flair into the table.) I took to it right away. Why? Because to me it was more real at the time. Then you get into the early 1990's and WCW lost something. They started to try and be more like the WWF by bringing in PN News, Shockmaster, etc. and to me that was a let down. However, by the mid-1990's WCW was really great again. With the NWO and all that was happening at that time. I was an avid WCW fan up until its painful death at the end. I was sad to see it go and pissed to see Vince's dream come true (putting all of the major American companies out of business). I really have not been as much into wrestling since then. As for my favorite, well I would have to go with Sting. Although, the Road Warriors, Nikita Koloff, Arn Anderson, Buzz Sawyer, and Booker T. would be close to Sting.
Jaysin Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 I was only like 8 or 9 when it happened, but when "Sting" attacked Luger in the parking lot. It broke my heart. I hated the nWo at the time and loved Sting and Luger(still love Sting to this day). I couldn't believe the all around good guy Sting betrayed his best friend and the fans by joining the evil nWo. Then when Sting said it wasn't him, I believed him because in my head, if Sting said something, it was true. The fake "Sting" angle and what not is still one of my favorite angles ever just because of how much it effected me at the time and Sting becoming the ultimate champion of WCW. Sting really is my favorite of all time. If you ask my parents about it, they'll tell you that ever since I was like 3 or 4 I went around beating my chest and wooing everywhere. Also, even though it was badly booked, the Sting/Vampiro feud was cool to me. I really enjoyed Vampiro and the Misfits vs Dr Death and Oklahoma too.
20LEgend Posted March 26, 2011 Author Posted March 26, 2011 Although I wasn't completely up on WCW as I was a kid, Sting really interests me in the way he was Mr. WCW, I've read a lot about WCW since and only wish I was a bit older at the time.
Teh_Showtime Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Yea Sting was with WCW the entire time. A true company man, and he was always one of their aces.
GatorBait19 Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Happy 10th anniversary of your seventh birthday. I would say in all honesty Jarrett has went on to do the best out of the WCW Crew. Are you serious about Jarrett going out and doing the best? I would think names like Booker T, Rey Mysterio, etc. would come to mind of people who have done more. Jarrett will always be the guy who thinks he is a headliner, but really he just had a daddy who owned a company. Jarrett never sniffed the Mainevent scene in WWE for a reason. He didn't have it so he went to WCW. To me, Eric Bischoff was my favorite thing about WCW. While he might have been a big reason for their fall, he was a big reason for thw success. He was the one who told Hogan to turn, he was a big reason Raw went to live, he helped pushed WWE to the brink of being out of business.
Big Roguey Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Are you serious about Jarrett going out and doing the best? I would think names like Booker T, Rey Mysterio, etc. would come to mind of people who have done more. Jarrett will always be the guy who thinks he is a headliner, but really he just had a daddy who owned a company. Jarrett never sniffed the Mainevent scene in WWE for a reason. He didn't have it so he went to WCW. To me, Eric Bischoff was my favorite thing about WCW. While he might have been a big reason for their fall, he was a big reason for thw success. He was the one who told Hogan to turn, he was a big reason Raw went to live, he helped pushed WWE to the brink of being out of business. I realise that me thinking that about Jarrett may seem wrong but to me, he kinda did the wise thing. Yes, TNA was owned by his father, but without Jarrett being there, would it be as big today? WHilst Mysterio and Booker did go on to WWE, Jarrett helped a small company to not make it a 1 horse race. It is now a 1.5 horse race.
Fantabulous Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 One of my favourite WCW stories was Renegade being so bad that nobody would admit to training him. Killer Kowalski was said to have trained Renegade at one point and Kowalski responded by publicly denying having anything to do with training Renegade.
BurningHamster Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 One of my favourite WCW stories was Renegade being so bad that nobody would admit to training him. Killer Kowalski was said to have trained Renegade at one point and Kowalski responded by publicly denying having anything to do with training Renegade. Oh man, that's harsh especially considering the guy went on to kill himself. I actually thought Renegade was way better than he ever got credit for. He was not even close to the worst guy in WCW at the time.
Fantabulous Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Oh man, that's harsh especially considering the guy went on to kill himself. I actually thought Renegade was way better than he ever got credit for. He was not even close to the worst guy in WCW at the time. There were a few wrestlers who were on par with Renegade in that era but Renegade was hands down one of the absolute worst wrestlers they ever had.
BurningHamster Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 There were a few wrestlers who were on par with Renegade in that era but Renegade was hands down one of the absolute worst wrestlers they ever had. Agree to disagree dude, I can think of loads of wrestlers who should have killed themselves before Renegade. Renegade's Warrior ripoff gimmick got him heat and made him look like bit of a buffoon and he wasn't amazing in the ring but he was alright. Had a nice handspring back elbow, his selling was kind of goofy and his running of the ropes questionable but maybe you are forgetting how many absolute bums went through WCW. Although that is one thing I miss about WCW, they would give almost everyone a TV match at least a few times. On a completely unrelated note because these guys were awesome, does anyone remember the Southern Posse? Really crappy looking guys, Rick Thames and Sonny Trout I think their names were, I remember thinking they were probably the best wrestling but worst looking jobber tag team WCW had. It was a great disappointment to me I could never muster enough info on them to put them in my 96 mod.
Fantabulous Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 If there is one moment that succinctly represents WCW's disconnect from reality it was naming a wrestler The Final Solution.
Guest cmdrsam Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 I dont know, that Ric Flair guy was pretty awful too. For me it was when they were catching up to the big bad F/E. and WWF were still taping thier shows. There was times I almost didnt want to turn the channel because I was going to miss the next defection to WCW.
tristram Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Well, that probably means then its been about 9 and a half years since I cared about wrestling (I gave WWF 6 months to deliver on their promise that they could do something great with it [remember Vince McMahon's prophetic, or should I say pathetic words on the simulcast], but of course they failed abysmally).... In terms of my favourite moments, the return of the Four Horsemen in 1998 at Greensboro on Nitro, Tony Schiavone often had a lot of strange sayings but I'll always remember the whole thing about remembering where you were at this time when Ric Flair and the Horsemen reunited. That speech from Flair that night, awesome. The pop when Anderson finally introduced him, amazing. The moment that REALLY captured me in again was Team WCW v Team nWo v Team Piper where Luger basically destroys the nWo, racking them to hell, and the nWo interfere to cost Luger... Luger was epic for about 2-3 months then. My favourite storyline though was Sting not being trusted, and then coming back with a vengeance looking for Hogan. Pity the pay day at Starrcade was horrifically done, but everything up to that point in building Sting up as the pillar of everything that was righteous. The cruiserweight division at that time was uber-hot too. The greatest collection of cruiserweights ever IMO. All in all, how did they get everything so wrong that 3-4 years later they were out of business... unreal.
ThriceP86 Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 I really have enjoyed reading the discussion here, especially since when I got into wrestling was basically when WCW was whooping WWF's ass in the Monday night war. Ironically, I was more into WWF since my first high profile match I ever watched was HBK vs. Austin at Mania 14. Having said that, I do remember a number of small things with WCW. I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, WCW brought Thunder to Thursdays before Smackdown was brought around around 1999. I thought that it was cool when they got Rodman, Leno, and Karl Malone all involved in some of their key storylines. My fondest memory was the Nitro where Goldberg finally beat Hogan for the belt and how hot the crowd was (before I even knew what that meant). By the way, this was just what I thought back then. Now that I may know more about wrestling, I do think a little differently towards the WCW now then I did back then. Also, it was fun playing WCW/NWO Revenge (Renaming "Glacier" to "Icy the Queer" was fun too and still a good joke with some of my buddies) since WWF had the crappy Aklaim games back then.
Jaysin Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Having said that, I do remember a number of small things with WCW. I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, WCW brought Thunder to Thursdays before Smackdown was brought around around 1999. What's funny is Vince mocked them saying they'd overexpose the wrestling product in general...and then Vince went on to have Raw, ECW/NXT, Superstars, and Smackdown. Not to mention AM Raw and all those random recap shows on in the middle of the night.
Hive Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Oh man, that's harsh especially considering the guy went on to kill himself. I actually thought Renegade was way better than he ever got credit for. He was not even close to the worst guy in WCW at the time. I definately agree. People just hated him because he wasn't really suited for the gimmick he was given, plus the fact that it was a major ripoff. I've re-watched some of his matches some months ago to see why he got so much heat for being terrible, and I couldn't figure it out. He wasn't exactly stellar, but he wasn't all that bad. And he seemed fairly athletic for his size.
dvdWarrior Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 My fondest memories of WCW are countless trips to live events and TV tapings with friends and family members, (if anyone ever sees an old WCW TV show from the early to mid 1990s and the roof of the arena looks like \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/, then chances are good that little kid me was in attendance). This one time, (not at band camp), when a Stunning (but not quite Stone Cold yet) Steve Austin was wrestling Ricky Steamboat, he was nearly thrown over the guard rail right at me. Also, Sting once patted me on the head on his way to the ring. Good times. I grew up on WCW though, and it was always my home team. Feels like I've said all this before. Weird.
jwt13 Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 So im probaly one of the youngest ones here I was 1 when I started watching WCW in 96 I remeber Goldberg the most from back then and how I cried when he lost to Nash at Starrcade. I also remember the whole reboot thing then we (me and my mom) stoped watching WCW (Guess even my mom who is as far away from a IWC watch had enough of Russo.)
BHK1978 Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Way off topic but when I was younger WCW came to Boston. Anyway Ron Simmons was in a match and he was thrown to the floor. This dude that was stting in front of me spit on him. Ron did not even sell the pain of being dumped on the floor, he got up right away and looked like he was going to kill the guy. The guy took off right away, not wanting anything to do with the ass kicking he was going to get from Ron. That has to be one of the top ten things I ever saw in wrestling. The drunk wanting to fight Bad News Brown was pretty awesome as well. The above I posted in another topic (I could not direct quote it because the thread has been locked.), it was a great moment for me. That whole show was great because it was just one screw up after another on that show. It was a house show and I believe it was the first time that the NWA/WCW had come to Boston either ever or at the very least a long time. From what I heard Vince basically used to threaten arenas that if they allowed any other promotions to hold shows at their venues he would blacklist them and they would never be able to have WWF shows at their venues. Therefore, when WCW came to Boston for this show (Back in 1990 or 91) they could not hold their show at the Boston Gardens. Instead they had to hold the show at the Walter Brown Arena which was the home of Boston University's Mens and Womens hockey teams. As a side note the Case Gym is on top of the Walter Brown Arena, I bring that up because the Case Gym used to be the Boston home for ROH shows before they started doing shows in Plymouth Mass. instead. Anyway, this arena was on a side street and hard to find. It was so hard to find that Lex Luger, who was supposed to take on Ric Flair in the main event, could not find the arena. They annouced that he was having travel problems and therefore Sting would take his place in the main event. The main event comes on and part way through the main event Lex shows up in street clothes. A fan yelled out, "Where were you Lex?" , Lex replied, "I couldn't find the damn place.". That was met with a roar of laughter to those of us who could hear what he said. Anyway, they did a really bad non-finish in the main event. Another thing of note about that show was the arena floor. They had this cheap thick cardboard like floor (To this day, I am not really sure what it was. It looked like cardboard and it got wet from the ice.) that kept on moving throughout the show. Remember the arena is a hockey rink so whatever this cheap crappy stuff they put on it to serve as a "floor" did not do its job. So yeah that was one odd show but it was awesome as well. Mainly because I got to see all these wrestlers live that I had never had the chance to see before like Sting, The Steiner Brothers, Doom, The Road Warriors, and Ric Flair.
GatorBait19 Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 I realise that me thinking that about Jarrett may seem wrong but to me, he kinda did the wise thing. Yes, TNA was owned by his father, but without Jarrett being there, would it be as big today? WHilst Mysterio and Booker did go on to WWE, Jarrett helped a small company to not make it a 1 horse race. It is now a 1.5 horse race. No i get that and it's understandable. Jarrett isn't the reason TNA even is known in the wrestling business. AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christian, America's most wanted, and others are the ones who helped bring TNA along. Jarrett being champion 6 times in a 5 year period isn't the reason TNA is considered the 2nd biggest promotion in the US. Jarrett could have never wrestled for them (to me) and it would have still been a hit. Rey and Booker went to the WWE, but they were WCW product and everyone who ever wrestled (or at least made a name in WCW) was buried and destroyed. Goldberg was the only Champion besides Booker who made it big.
BHK1978 Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 No i get that and it's understandable. Jarrett isn't the reason TNA even is known in the wrestling business. AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christian, America's most wanted, and others are the ones who helped bring TNA along. Jarrett being champion 6 times in a 5 year period isn't the reason TNA is considered the 2nd biggest promotion in the US. Jarrett could have never wrestled for them (to me) and it would have still been a hit. Rey and Booker went to the WWE, but they were WCW product and everyone who ever wrestled (or at least made a name in WCW) was buried and destroyed. Goldberg was the only Champion besides Booker who made it big. Tough to say really, I mean without Jeff Jarrett there would be no TNA. He had to create it out of necessity because after what he did to Vince, there is probably no way he would have ever work for the WWF again. Therefore, Jeff is a big reason why TNA is where it is. Now do I think it is because of his star power? No not at all, I have always been a fan of his going back to his days in Memphis. However, if I am being honest he should never be a main eventer.
brashleyholland Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Just looking at this thread and raising an eyebrow at how young some of you guys were when WCW went bump! :-p I'd already stopped watching wrestling by that point, the first few years of the NWO was my last phase of seriously watching wrestling every week. I guess I was about 12/13 when the whole 'Sting in the rafters' thing started, and I absolutely loved the movie 'The Crow'. Now, I was probably way to young to watch it at the time (I think it was an 18 certificate in the UK) but my folks had it on tape and I used to sneakily watch it whenever they were out. Going off some of the posts in this thread, I'm guessing a lot of you guys hadn't even hit double figures when the black and white facepaint/trenchcoat Sting first appeared...so my question is, what did you guys make of it? Did you get the 'Crow' references? I dunno what I would have thought if Ultimate Warrior (the facepainted good guy of my youth) has all of a sudden gone all dark any mysterious and started wrecking guys with a bat :-p Also, did anyone else when they were really young believe that Warrior and Sting were brothers? That was the gospel truth in my school :-p
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