Question about product settings. Do Pure and Modern 'conflict' with each other?

[dormammu]

I'm working on starting my own promotion (due to me and the owner of my previous promotion.. umm.. disagreeing about some things.) I've never really messed much with the product settings before. What I'm trying to do is set up a promotion where I can have both the Modern matches as well as a Pure wrestling division. However, it seems like these two settings may contradict each other in a way. According to the help file, modern is really flashy and for "people with short attention spans." Whereas Pure is, well, actual technical wrestling/mat work which seems to be the opposite of Modern. If I set Modern to Heavy and Pure to Medium, what exactly will happen? Will both Modern and Pure matches be fine, or will the audience generally dislike both? (Pure fans will dislike the modern stuff and vice versa) ... or am I over-thinking this? I really just want a promotion where the fans appreciate both kinds of matches.

 

Also, no matter how I set my product (and I've been messing with it for nearly a half hour now trying to get things right) analysis always says "... will prevent the promotion from getting on Mainstream stations." What's causing that message? No matter how I set the product, I always get that. Even if I set Mainstream to Key Feature, it says that.

 

Thanks everyone!

[ampulator]

The Pure product setting at Medium or higher means you will be unable to get on Mainstream stations, yes. But I don't think they conflict all that much. I think BHOTWG has both...

[dormammu]

The Pure product setting at Medium or higher means you will be unable to get on Mainstream stations, yes. But I don't think they conflict all that much. I think BHOTWG has both...

 

I thought I tried with Pure at none, but I guess not. I should go take a quick look at BHOTWG's settings in the editor. Thanks for the answer!

[Remianen]

They do. It's about match pace. Modern style matches are fast-paced. Pure matches, are not.

 

If you want to see the difference, think of Modern as kinda like a TNA X-Division match. That's a modern style match pace.

 

Now, for pure, all you need to do is look at William Regal vs Finlay at the Great American Bash from 2006. Notice the crowd's reaction during that match. That's essentially what you get when you cross the product types. Add a bunch of Cult (for the vocal fanbase) and run a few shows to see for yourself.

[Rone Rivendale]

In my opinion, there is no such thing as having two or more styles clashing in a fed.

 

Let's look at WCW during it's highest point. You had the mainstream main event scene. You had the daredevil/lucha style of the cruiserweight division. And you had the hardcore style of the.. well hardcore division.

 

The point is, a wrestling promotion doesn't have or need to be one dimensional. TEW is made to be as customizable as you want it to be. Your imagination is the limit.

[dormammu]

Now, for pure, all you need to do is look at William Regal vs Finlay at the Great American Bash from 2006. Notice the crowd's reaction during that match. That's essentially what you get when you cross the product types. Add a bunch of Cult (for the vocal fanbase) and run a few shows to see for yourself.

 

I haven't seen that particular match, but I know what WWE fans are like, and I can imagine the reaction.

 

I ended up taking all the Modern out of my product because the fans kept whining about the matches not being dangerous enough, which isn't what I was going for with this promotion. But at least I have a better idea of how everything works now. Thanks!

[Remianen]

The point is, a wrestling promotion doesn't have or need to be one dimensional. TEW is made to be as customizable as you want it to be. Your imagination is the limit.

 

There is an old proverb that comes to mind:

 

A man cannot serve two masters.

 

Basically what it comes down to is that some features contradict each other. Cult & Mainstream, for example. Modern & Pure for another. As dormammu found out, there's also the matter of how dangerous or "thrilling" the matches are. Pure matches don't tend to be "death defying" and that's exactly what Modern fans are looking for. Maybe not as much as Daredevil or Hardcore fans, but they still expect to see a lot more of it than you would in a 'catch' type promotion.

 

While you're right that TEW allows a lot of customization, it doesn't ignore these plain facts. Not every wrestling fan is the same, likes the same thing(s) in their wrestling shows, or can even get along with people on the other side of the aisle.

 

No one's saying you can't do anything. Just that when/if you do, know the consequences of doing so. I'll give you an example: me. I pretty much despise mainstream wrestling products. But I had to buckle down and include a ton of it in my product for 2010 in order to accomplish what I wanted (preserving my workers). Y'see, mainstream is the only product element that goes with Modern that significantly reduces the match danger/intensity of the overall product. Without mainstream, my danger/intensity were so high, I was killing my workers with weekly shows. The wear & tear feature forced my hand. In the big picture sense, it was the right move but I still chafe when I look at it.

 

And your WCW example is kinda flawed. You're listing off the various divisions and product features they had, none of which drew money. What drew money for them was the Traditional and Mainstream elements. Why else would they let their Modern/daredevil/lucha workers LEAVE and make another company mad dough? Now the lucha element drew money for ECW (such as it was) but WCW gave short shrift to its non-mainstream/traditional product elements.

[ampulator]

Not to dispute your point, Remianen, but I recall BHOTWG, again, has both Medium AND Pure.... but both at Medium. So on a lesser basis, they wouldn't necessarily clash. But I think you are correct if you set both as a Key Feature, though.

 

To be fair, what he wants should either be a Modern/Realism mix, or a Realism/Pure mix, but not necessarily a Modern/Pure Mix (though it's not a huge of conflict, as, let's say, a Mainstream/Hardcore mix). I think one can do it for sure, but it's sort of weird way of doing when Realism do just as fine as Pure for his purposes.

 

There are workers that can do a Modern/Pure mix theoretically, but most workers would.... not do well under it.

[funkyzafara]

I can't remember exactly how high the intensity/danger values are for Pure and Modern, but for some combinations there can be a very high difference in them. This means that you can set them individually for each match, and have say a high danger value in Junior matches and a high intensity in Puro matches.