rdklein Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 No thanks. $35 is too much for this game. I spent less money on OOTP6 and about the same for FM2006... sorry, but you have a long way to go before I would even consider this product as being in the same league. Also, I'm a seasonal player - and the college football season is almost over now. That being said, your company did great work on the game and it's a product with great promise. Hopefully, you will continue working hard to improve the gameplay and eliminate the bugs... and I will look forward to seeing the product again next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braylin Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 $35.00 is a drop in the bucket for anyone interested in this type of sports sim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cow Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'd probably pay $50 for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceshigh24 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I don't like paying alot for gas but you don't see me starting a post about it....no need to start a post about how cheap you are to get attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoman Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Obviously,this guy has no idea what hes missing,ive been playing ootp since 2000,and this game ranks right up there with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyvol Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 rdklein, why even post this here? Just don't buy the game if you're so inclined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizzouRah Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 [QUOTE=Huckleberry]Who cares?[/QUOTE] claps hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdklein Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 Okay kids, today in class we are going to talk about internet product forums. A product forum, like the one you are looking at now, is a tool that companies use so their customers can post opinions and feedback regarding the products the company hopes to sell. These opinions can vary - but the key point here is that forums are a great way for a company to research the market and/or make improvements to an existing product because this is where people go to post their questions or concerns about certain problems of the product or service. Understand, kiddies? First, I didn't say anything negative about the product (though I have the right to do so if I felt it necessary), in fact I praised the work the developers did on the game and it's potential. I just don't feel that it provides the same playability as other sim games that are equally priced. If you disagree, oh well. Second, I didn't say anything negative about anyone who decided to purchase the game. If you bought the game and you feel it was worth it, good for you! Happy gaming! Call me cheap, call me names... I could care less. I'm not like the handful of members here who have such low self esteem where I would get hurt or offended by insults from anonymous posters on an internet forum - so fire away if you must. In fact, add a little humor and originality to the flame. It makes for better reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyvol Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 my question is this: If you're not buying it, why are you hanging at the forums? I'm not bashing you, just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfpack Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Maybe he wants to follow it's development to the point that he feels that the game would be worth the money to him? I bought the game, so obviously, I didn't think $35 was excessive, but why shouldn't someone be able to come on here and voice their opinions about the price point? It's not like he came on here spewing curses and being an idiot about it, he posted a well presented and classy statement. If you disagree, fine, there's plenty of room for all kinds of opinions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdklein Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 [QUOTE=Cooleyvol]my question is this: If you're not buying it, why are you hanging at the forums? I'm not bashing you, just wondering.[/QUOTE] Nah, it's cool. I'm on here now to post my opinion to the company, because regardless of what the kids on here think, most people who work for a company or understand business culture know that companies want customer feedback. Bad feedback (even though I wouldn't really consider my opinions ultimately bad) is better than no feedback. I haven't ruled out buying the game in the future, and I'll probably be checking these forums from time to time to see how the game is progressing. Like I said, I praise the developers and it's got great promise... but right now, for me personally, it's not quite worth $35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 [QUOTE=rdklein]Nah, it's cool. I'm on here now to post my opinion to the company, because regardless of what the kids on here think, most people who work for a company or understand business culture know that companies want customer feedback. Bad feedback (even though I wouldn't really consider my opinions ultimately bad) is better than no feedback. I haven't ruled out buying the game in the future, and I'll probably be checking these forums from time to time to see how the game is progressing. Like I said, I praise the developers and it's got great promise... but right now, for me personally, it's not quite worth $35.[/QUOTE] I have to agree I have not bought the game yet either but I do come onto these forums to see how it is progressing for I might purchase it in the future. I also cant wait for the college basketball game :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druez Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 [QUOTE=rdklein]Nah, it's cool. I'm on here now to post my opinion to the company, because regardless of what the kids on here think, most people who work for a company or understand business culture know that companies want customer feedback. Bad feedback (even though I wouldn't really consider my opinions ultimately bad) is better than no feedback. I haven't ruled out buying the game in the future, and I'll probably be checking these forums from time to time to see how the game is progressing. Like I said, I praise the developers and it's got great promise... but right now, for me personally, it's not quite worth $35.[/QUOTE] Hey get your credit card out, it is on sale now for 34.95 instead of 35. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUfan Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 This specific forum, I think, is a discussion of the game itself, how to play the game, helping with bugs and discussion on strategies. It isn't a forum to, for no practical reason, to say "I'm not buying this". It's a useless post. Now, you can stand there and try to say it's "I'm giving feedback", which in truth you're not. You're offering nothing constructive by your comments. So, take your money, don't buy the game -- fine. But don't try and justify it as anything but a troll-like comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Warholic Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 [QUOTE=rdklein]No thanks. $35 is too much for this game. I spent less money on OOTP6 and about the same for FM2006... sorry, but you have a long way to go before I would even consider this product as being in the same league.[/QUOTE] There is no problem with this kind of feedback. I don't know where else someone would logically post it. I'm most interested in why rdklein thinks this product isn't even in the same league as OOTP6 and FM2006. What features would he like to see improved? added? removed? Did he try the demo? These answers would be valuable. Without them, it's much more opinion than feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teim Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 I am sympathetic because at its current state I am declining as well, but it doesn't really help if you don't explain why. For me, (of course these could be limitations of the demo) 1. Recruiting is a bit confusing...there is no exact list of who has committed I have to sort my watch list....you can't change your approach to recruiting unless you stop recruiting a player and redo the initail recruiting process. 2. The game sims a bit slow for me and the end of season cpu computations take forever.(XP Pro---amd 64 3200--1GB ram) 3. The history features aren't near as in depth as say TCY's were i.e recruiting hisories and coaching histories 4. I pay for a scouting budget, but accessing scouting information is a pain. Emails would be nice. 6. I don't see, other than the coaching ability, a big leap from what TCY brought to the table That said I am very excited about the game and I will continue to watch as it grows, and hopefully it will be something I wan't to drop $35 on in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mh2365 Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 He's right, of course, this game isn't in the same league as OOTP6 and FM2006 but only because this game is in it's first incarnation not it's 6th or 7th. Compare this game as is right now to the first OOTP and it's a first round KO for BB. The price that he complains about (and by saying it's too much is complaining rd) is the going rate for sports text sims these days. I'm sure the first OOTP came in at market price for comparable games back then also. If a new soda came out today it would be priced in the same region as Coca-Cola now, not Coca-Cola when it first came out. Now while everything you said is just your opinion, you absolutely have the right to it. But your logic is extremely faulty. You compare a first version to a 7th and complain about it being at market price. That said the game being out of season is a sound reason not to buy it and there are some who would agree with that. I was one until I played the demo, then I bought it the day it came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizzouRah Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 [QUOTE=Jason Warholic]There is no problem with this kind of feedback. I don't know where else someone would logically post it. I'm most interested in why rdklein thinks this product isn't even in the same league as OOTP6 and FM2006. What features would he like to see improved? added? removed? Did he try the demo? These answers would be valuable. Without them, it's much more opinion than feedback.[/QUOTE] You're right, but without any reasons on why it has a long way to go, the post is pointless and is solely written to get a reaction from the masses. I didn't buy Civ4, maybe I should go to their forums and post it? FWIW, I haven't bought BBCF yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexroid Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Customer feedback is telling the company what you think, not advertising to all the other customers what you think, kiddo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Wednesday I paid $20 at cine (cine+some food) Yesterday I paid more than $30 (much more) clubbing a little :D :D Money/Hours of enjoy in pc games are very cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMonster Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 [QUOTE=KeyserSoze]Wednesday I paid $20 at cine (cine+some food) Yesterday I paid more than $30 (much more) clubbing a little :D :D Money/Hours of enjoy in pc games are very cheap[/QUOTE] Agreed.. If you spend a decent amount of time in the forums and looking at the game, you should just throw down the $35 and try it. I have yet to buy a sports sim. and thought I didn't get more than fair value for how much I have spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druez Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 [QUOTE=mh2365]He's right, of course, this game isn't in the same league as OOTP6 and FM2006 but only because this game is in it's first incarnation not it's 6th or 7th. Compare this game as is right now to the first OOTP and it's a first round KO for BB. The price that he complains about (and by saying it's too much is complaining rd) is the going rate for sports text sims these days. I'm sure the first OOTP came in at market price for comparable games back then also. If a new soda came out today it would be priced in the same region as Coca-Cola now, not Coca-Cola when it first came out. Now while everything you said is just your opinion, you absolutely have the right to it. But your logic is extremely faulty. You compare a first version to a 7th and complain about it being at market price. That said the game being out of season is a sound reason not to buy it and there are some who would agree with that. I was one until I played the demo, then I bought it the day it came out.[/QUOTE] I would agree that the game isn't on the level of FM2006, but i would place it at the level of an OOTP, FOF, etc... Now OOTP 7.0 will be up there with FM2006 and EHM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverbullet Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 comment I believe rdklein has every right to his opinion. He did not bash, get nasty, or be insulting. Not so with his detractors. A very sad state of affairs in this country is when someone has a different opinion, they are bashed. Present administration included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dime Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 it's not that he had a "different opinion", but that his post was basically just negative advertising. if we're protective of Arlie and GDS it's because we appreciate the hard work they do and realize that this is a very unique situation; our comments and requests are actually considered and usually implemented into game design. negative advertising hurts a company like GDS far more than some big corporate entity. also, if you're going to be so incredibly pretentious as to make an entirely new thread titled "I'll pass" about your decision whether or not to buy the game...you should expect some flak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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