moon_lit_tears Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 So I have not seen a thread for this and I'm shocked. Appears the PSN has been down for a while now. At first we thought it was our switch in ISP because the games started to lag or just not connect. The other day while talking with someone he told me about what was going on. PSN is still down. Not sure when Sony will be able to get it back up. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 It was brought down by an "external intrusion". They said it'd be back up after 2 days, but now they're "rebuilding their system" to prevent the same security problems. It started when Sony was trying to bring down that hacker guy (GeoHotz), but when they stopped, Anonymous laid off of them. They claim they didn't bring down PSN, but it could still be people who just like to cause chaos acting alone. INB4 some sort of console war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 Sony exec. Blogged about Sony pulling down. Annonymous got pissy when Sony went after the Hacker. It is a bunch of crap. I hope they get their servers back up soon. I don't see this causing a war. It's about the PS3. People should not have to fight about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 See none of this would happen on the Commodore 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyzafara Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Funny thing. Microsoft had free Xbox Gold this weekend after PSN sent down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Funny thing. Microsoft had free Xbox Gold this weekend after PSN sent down. It was Microsoft elimanating the competition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I can still watch Netflix and that's what concerns me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Apparently IGN have an article up stating that the PS3 is now like a NES. The guy must of had one awesome NES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linsolv Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I'd agree that it's like an upscaled PS2, but NES? umm... no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 Apparently IGN have an article up stating that the PS3 is now like a NES. The guy must of had one awesome NES. He's clearly an idiot. NES was great, but not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 He's clearly an idiot. NES was great, but not that good. Imagine an PS3 style NES though? I would bow down to whomever made one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I think Penny Arcade's comic from today (which was actually posted on Saturday for some reason) sums up the situation pretty nicely: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imarevenant Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I can still watch Netflix and that's what concerns me This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I don't think anyone did it over the hacker thing because that was pretty much settled. Someone just realized, after Anon basically did it themselves, that PSN was full of more holes than swiss cheese. The Anon thing just gave them plausible deniability. There's plenty of people who would want to take PSN down, and when you consider that list includes people who would do it for fun, there's no reason to bother looking into it. The good news is that they're building it to be more secure. Unless they're horribly unethical and hiding something important, this time nothing secure (like access to users' personal info and credit card numbers) got out. Word is, the intrusion wasn't "powerful". It was sort of slow and isolated but they couldn't do anything about it because a security hole is a security hole. They just shut down the service. For about a week before it went down, there was stability issues. They probably just got tired of the crap and decided they needed to fix it before it actually caused tangible damage. The way it's described, for all we know, some college kid with a Linux box was just overflowing buffers or clogging the servers with garbage. If that's the case, I suppose you get what you pay for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Actually, they apparently have no idea if any personal info got out. I guess you pay for what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Actually, they apparently have no idea if any personal info got out. I guess you pay for what you get. At the end of the day, hackers are the scrotal lice of society. Personally being a PSN user, I'm not best pleased with the revelation that my information may have been leaked. If it has, well, I'm not sure what I will do at present. No, the PSN may not be as good as the online service of the 360 but it is free and works well enough. Does that mean it should be hacked; of course it doesn't. I assume you are joking with that last comment, because only a massive tool would think that the leaking of people's financial details is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjdgoldeneye Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I assume you are joking with that last comment, because only a massive tool would think that the leaking of people's financial details is acceptable. It's a reversal of the saying "You get what you pay for." People tote PSN as being superior to alternatives due to it being free, which leads to people saying that as a retort. It would be ironic if the free service ends up costing people more money, hence my comment: You pay for what you get. There are always trade-offs. People forget that. I doubt anyone expected possible mass leaks of personal information, though. Now, if someone hacked into Xbox Live and stole information, then that would counter the whole point. Even more ironic is that fact that, for once, it isn't Microsoft with the security issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 It's a reversal of the saying "You get what you pay for." People tote PSN as being superior to alternatives due to it being free, which leads to people saying that as a retort. It would be ironic if the free service ends up costing people more money, hence my comment: You pay for what you get. There are always trade-offs. People forget that. I doubt anyone expected possible mass leaks of personal information, though. Now, if someone hacked into Xbox Live and stole information, then that would counter the whole point. Even more ironic is that fact that, for once, it isn't Microsoft with the security issues. Yeah, I got what you were saying. Just messing around. The fact that the network is down doesn't particularly bother me. Yeah it is an inconveniance but as it is free, we don't really have much right to complain at that aspect. The fact that personal information may have gotten out is a different situation altogether as you suggested. I do find it quite amusing that certain hackers are getting upperty about being accused of causing the external intrusion. You're a hacker! You don't have moral high ground. After all, if a building went up in flames, the first person I am looking at is the pyromaniac with the matches in his pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 At the end of the day, hackers are the scrotal lice of society. Personally being a PSN user, I'm not best pleased with the revelation that my information may have been leaked. If it has, well, I'm not sure what I will do at present. No, the PSN may not be as good as the online service of the 360 but it is free and works well enough. Does that mean it should be hacked; of course it doesn't. I assume you are joking with that last comment, because only a massive tool would think that the leaking of people's financial details is acceptable. I have to say, this incident alone tells me it doesn't work well enough. One of the biggest reasons that Macs tend to be "virus free" is because far more people are on PCs, so it's far more economical and effecient for the hacking and virus making types to hit PCs. There's more people on XBOX Live than on the PSN... but the PSN is the one that got hacked and has been down for almost a week now. If the hacker wanted to cause as much chaos as possible/steal as much info as possible, then it would've been far better to hit XBOX Live. But they didn't. Are they just super anti-Sony, or was it just a more vulnerable target? They've failed to protect their network from third parties, and they've failed to restore the network in a timely manner. The folks who put their faith and money into them have been rewarded with an inability to play online and potential personal risk. In my book, that's far from "well enough". I will agree, the leaking of financial information ain't cool. Sure, the PSN is free, haha *insert Microsoft fanboy "told you so!" comment here*. But, it's on Sony's head. Well, them and the hacker(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 My point was more regarding the connectivity and online playing experience rather than the holes in security that have been made evidence. Yes Sony should have made sure that their security was up to scratch, but if it wasn't for hackers, we wouldn't be having this problem right now. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should. Hypothetically, I could go and shoot someone in the chest, but I couldn't use the excuse of them not wearing a bulletproof jacket to shift the blame off myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GruntMark Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Ive heard, recently, that the downage has to do with an exploit in the system that would allow someone to download/access various paid content for free. Really, the major failing here is communication. Sony has handled this horribly, not addressing taking down the service or when they expect it back. And more importantly saying nothing in regards to credit card information, which should have been priority one. Even if the news wasnt good news. Its a crappy way to treat customers, and very poor service. Side bar: PSN isnt free free. The cost of the service in undoubtly rolled into the cost of the system and elsewhere. Kinda like packs of ketchup at McDonalds. So really, MOST PS3 users have in some way paid for the service. Though still probably less than XBox Live users do for theirs. That point is only relavent because Ive seen a few people claim they have no right to complain about losing a free service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike b Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 It was Microsoft elimanating the competition! Shhhhhhhhhh........ Im really Bill Gates. We don't do things like that. Well we tell people that anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Looks like the news might be bad Credit to GruntMark for tipping me off to the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoNdOn Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 There are so many words I wish to type here, all of which would see me get banned. Let's just say I'm not a happy bunny at present. They keep saying credit card information may have been hacked and I can only assume that also includes debit card info as well? I'm considering calling up my bank and asking them to cancel by debit card and send me a new one. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GruntMark Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 There are so many words I wish to type here, all of which would see me get banned. Let's just say I'm not a happy bunny at present. They keep saying credit card information may have been hacked and I can only assume that also includes debit card info as well? I'm considering calling up my bank and asking them to cancel by debit card and send me a new one. Any thoughts? I assume for the purposes of the conversation, debit/credit card is interchangable. Probably not a bad idea to change cards. Long as you have enough cash on hand or checks until the new one arrives. Also...I guess PSN has a password? (I dont have a PS3) ALot of people seem to be suggesting if its a password shared with important email address or something like Paypal, change those passwords. Its alittle work, but identity and credit card theft can be a real SOB to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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