Crowd Burned Out

[burnum81]

May be a stupid question but when I (TNA, 2011) get to the main event of my shows, I usually get the dirt sheet note that the match was held with a burned out crowd, thus the main event ratings tend to suffer.

Could it be because I use mostly main eventers or upper midcarders for my entire show (even in the opening matches)? I have guys like Angle, Anderson or Sting in the main events and guys like Samoa Joe, Matt Morgan or Kazarian are usually the 'card fillers'.

 

Would it help to deliberately weaken the mid/undercard but not using main event caliber guys for it? Or is it something else that I'm doing wrong? I've played TEW 2008 for years but I'm quite new to TEW 2010...

[LoganRodzen]

<p>You answered your own question. You shouldn't use top workers for every portion of your show. That's exactly why your crowd is being burned out. Use your top workers who aren't in the top matches in angles for that week. Give some of those over workers a rest and let the undercard get some exposure. It'll help you out in the long run because these workers will be ready for you to use at anytime because they'll no longer be 'nobodies'. </p><p> </p><p>

And at the same time they'll bring your crowd's mood down (which it sounds like you need).</p>

[burnum81]

Thanks, Logan. I thought it might be a good idea to put all my top workers into the show to be able to compete with the starpower of WWE. I was building up my undercarders in my B-Show (extended Xplosion to 1 hour).

[CamillePunk]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31202" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You answered your own question. You shouldn't use top workers for every portion of your show. That's exactly why your crowd is being burned out. Use your top workers who aren't in the top matches in angles for that week. Give some of those over workers a rest and let the undercard get some exposure. It'll help you out in the long run because these workers will be ready for you to use at anytime because they'll no longer be 'nobodies'. <p> </p><p> And at the same time they'll bring your crowd's mood down (which it sounds like you need).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That works for entertainment feds where you have angles to put those guys in, but what about traditiona/puro type feds where the crowd hates angles? If you don't put your top guys on the crowd their morale is going to plummet. </p><p> </p><p> Asking for advice btw, I am not an expert.</p>

[D-Lyrium]

I think of crowds like race horses (I believe I've used this analogy before ¬_¬), the main event is like the final furlong of the race, it's where you have to go hell-for-leather to win. The rest of the race needs to be well-paced, because while you don't want to go so slowly that the rest of the field is too far ahead for you to catch, you don't want to crack the whip so much that your horse is knackered by the time you get to the end.

 

By all means, have a bright start with Morgan, Kazarian, Joe, etc. But in the middle, slow it down a bit (in terms of match ratings anyway; with TNA this'll probably mean speeding the action up with the X-Division guys since they seem to be lower on the card). Then in your last two matches, that's when you pull out all the stops.

 

You have a midcard for a reason, after all. Use it. Besides, if your midcard don't get to wrestle much, they won't get over, and then you'll have nobody to replace your upper card when they start to get old/get stolen.

 

As far as traditional/puro feds go, when you have too many "top guys" to do the above, use tag team matches with an experienced "top guy" tagging with a lower card 'rookie', as they tend to do in Japan. To use a Cornellverse example (since I don't really know the real world scene these days), if you're not using Ricky Dale Johnson or Sam Keith on this week's show, have Johnson team with Harry Allen against Keith and Edd Stone, for example. Keeps the main eventers on TV, and lets the younger guys gain some popularity or skills. They don't have to be regular teams, maybe tie them into storylines - maybe Stone is feuding with Allen and RDJ with Keith. That'd be a perfect match to continue both storylines while not really getting the crowd as worked up as they would be for a RDJ/Keith singles match.

 

 

Oh, and if you think a match is going to be too hot for it's place on the card, Work the Crowd could be a useful note (use it carefully though, there's a penalty for using the note where it's blatantly not needed and that could kill the rating by more than you wanted).

[LoganRodzen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CamillePunk" data-cite="CamillePunk" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31202" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That works for entertainment feds where you have angles to put those guys in, but what about traditiona/puro type feds where the crowd hates angles? If you don't put your top guys on the crowd their morale is going to plummet. <p> </p><p> Asking for advice btw, I am not an expert.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Like D-Lyrium said - put them in tag, 3 on 3, 4 on 4, and 5 on 5 matches. And just because you can't use a top worker during Week 1 of the month doesn't mean he's going to be mad about it. Just make sure to use him the following week. Top workers don't need to be used every single week. There's people who have given out good information pertaining to this in the "small questions" thread. I think main eventers need to be used AT LEAST every other show for them to not get upset.</p><p> </p><p> I've never had a problem with top workers losing morale due to not being used. I ALWAYS have something for them to do. Big match, big angle, minor angle, pre-show match, or even a post-show match. If these guys are getting a monthly pay day then they better be working for it (even if they aren't the main event that particular night).</p>

[scorpion]

Its all about building your card with peaks and valleys. While everyone has their formula this is mine: (assuming a 10 match format, can be altered for however many matches)

 

Opening match- hot 3rd or 4th best match

2nd match- downer

3rd- better match

4th- great match

5th- downer

6th- better match

7th- great-2nd or 3rd best match

8th- downer

9th- 2nd to 4th best match on show

Main Event- Ideally the best match of the show

 

Now it doesn't always work out, sometimes a match I think will be bad, will end up being good, and the opposite. But thats what males the game worth playing.

 

I tend to run performance based/pure feds with few to no angles. Even in that type of fed I've found its useful to have "not so great" wrestlers. They are perfect for those "downer" matches because they are guaranteed to bring the crowd down. In the 77Cornellverse game I'm playing I've found Team KAOS, the Lords of War, and Demons of Rage all were great in the "8th" match spot. A bonus is having wrestlers with good basics but maybe not as good of rumble.tech/flying skill set work with younger guys in those spots to help train their basic stats up. Thats exactly what I did with those teams I just mentioned.