DreamGoddessLindsey Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Why is it that when I hold shows in foreign countries where I have less popularity, I get fewer PPV buys, even though I'm on the same number of PPV carriers? Example, in case that's worded weird. I'm Low Level International in America and Low Level National in Japan. In December 2007, I ran a show in Nevada over PPV. I got 919,813 buys. Next month, in January 2008, I ran a show in Kanto over PPV. I got 289,741 buys. The game basically acted like I was only Low Level National for means of determining my PPV buys, as if my worldwide PPV carriers made no difference in the game at all. (FYI, the show quality was similar in both cases.) This makes ZERO sense. Me holding a show in another country shouldn't lower the number of PPV buys worldwide. It certainly doesn't work that way in real life with the UFC. This makes it nonsensical to EVER hold a show outside your home region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why is it that when I hold shows in foreign countries where I have less popularity, I get fewer PPV buys, even though I'm on the same number of PPV carriers?<p> </p><p> Example, in case that's worded weird. I'm Low Level International in America and Low Level National in Japan.</p><p> </p><p> In December 2007, I ran a show in Nevada over PPV. I got 919,813 buys. Next month, in January 2008, I ran a show in Kanto over PPV. I got 289,741 buys. The game basically acted like I was only Low Level National for means of determining my PPV buys, as if my worldwide PPV carriers made no difference in the game at all. (FYI, the show quality was similar in both cases.)</p><p> </p><p> This makes ZERO sense. Me holding a show in another country shouldn't lower the number of PPV buys worldwide. It certainly doesn't work that way in real life with the UFC.</p><p> </p><p> This makes it nonsensical to EVER hold a show outside your home region.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with you, I brought this up before. Another poster said to me (I forgot who it was) that it could be due to the fact that the PPV is being shown on delay in America and therefore people have read spoilers and are less inclined to by the PPV. I guess that is reasonable, but I do agree with you that I am not a fan of that and there really is no point in holding a show outside of your home region.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> This makes ZERO sense. Me holding a show in another country shouldn't lower the number of PPV buys worldwide. It certainly doesn't work that way in real life with the UFC.</p><p> </p><p> .</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Except that it does, with every single PPV they run outside of North America.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamGoddessLindsey Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Except that it does, with every single PPV they run outside of North America.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yet, in the game, you get the same problem if you hold a show in Canada, Central America, and South America, all of which are in the same time zone as America.</p><p> </p><p> Makes no sense. Don't tell me they get fewer buys for shows in Canada or Brazil or whatever. That's pure BS and you know it. (In fact, if memory serves, they held a PPV in I beleive it was Toronto that broke both gate AND PPV records.)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KholDrum Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Canada is in North America lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lean Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 That's why I like to popularity cap feature in WMMA3, it's allowed my popularity in other regions to catch up to my home popularity so I can hold shows wherever I want. But I agree this was a major problem I had with WMMA2 and it's only tolerable in WMMA3 because of the aforementioned popularity cap imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KholDrum" data-cite="KholDrum" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Canada is in North America lol</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> LOL.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Makes no sense. Don't tell me they get fewer buys for shows in Canada or Brazil or whatever. That's pure BS and you know it. (In fact, if memory serves, they held a PPV in I beleive it was Toronto that broke both gate AND PPV records.)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nope. It did a high estimate of around 800,000 PPV buys, around the same as most GSP fights. The gate broke records because it was held in a 50,000 + seat stadium, as opposed to a 10-15,000 seat arena like most PPV cards.</p><p> </p><p> Even if you look at the shows they did in Australia, which they held on Sunday morning/afternoon local time so that the PPV could go out live in the regular Saturday night slot in the US, PPV buys tanked. It's a perception thing I guess. </p><p> </p><p> And please, don't try to tell me what does and does not constitute 'pure BS' in a business that I have been involved in for well over a decade, and that you clearly know comparatively little about. One of the great things about this community is that people are willing to help and discuss things with each other - Frankly I know nothing about wresting in comparison to most here but was still able to enjoy TEW2010 with the help of various members of the board. Had I ranted about things I didn't understand (which was LOTS) and responded to their help with the assertion that their advice/ideas were 'pure BS', I imagine they would have been less willing to listen to/help me in the future, which is the position you often find yourself in this forum, if memory serves. </p><p> </p><p> I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because you don't like/understand something, doesn't mean it's 'nonsensical' or 'BS'. There's usually a decent explanation, and if someone points you in the right direction, try and take it on board and you might learn about the sport and enjoy the game more. That's why we're here, right? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude-1981 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I put on a PPV in Asia and it did 500k buys, as opposed to 3m + for the PPVs either side of it. If the time difference is a factor, that's fine but clarification would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="31281" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why is it that when I hold shows in foreign countries where I have less popularity, I get fewer PPV buys, even though I'm on the same number of PPV carriers?<p> </p><p> Example, in case that's worded weird. I'm Low Level International in America and Low Level National in Japan.</p><p> </p><p> In December 2007, I ran a show in Nevada over PPV. I got 919,813 buys. Next month, in January 2008, I ran a show in Kanto over PPV. I got 289,741 buys. The game basically acted like I was only Low Level National for means of determining my PPV buys, as if my worldwide PPV carriers made no difference in the game at all. (FYI, the show quality was similar in both cases.)</p><p> </p><p> This makes ZERO sense. Me holding a show in another country shouldn't lower the number of PPV buys worldwide. It certainly doesn't work that way in real life with the UFC.</p><p> </p><p> This makes it nonsensical to EVER hold a show outside your home region.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're half right/half wrong. You're right in concept. This should not be the case, but you also have to remember that if you're an American company and you run a show in Japan you're talking about a 13-hour time difference. That means a 11PM Saturday start time in Japan is an 10AM start time here. That's going to kill PPV buys if you run it on tape-delay or show it live.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 <p>The thing is that I've held PPVs in other parts of America and the PPVs buys don't trail much if at all. This tells me time zone differences are not the issue.</p><p> </p><p> The gate is affected. I get the best gate in Nevada (I'm GAMMA) but the PPV buys don't drop if I move time zone around.</p><p> </p><p> They drop as I move PPVs to a different region. </p><p> </p><p> I think she's got a point in the sense that it appears the PPV rate is determined by the popularity your company has in the region it's in.</p><p> </p><p> A reasonable percent drop in buyrates is one thing but my GAMMA company generally has 5 million + buys per PPV (depending on competition that night and other factors). If I hold an event in an area.. let's say Japan or Brazil then the buys drop to as little as under a million at times. Now I know a time delay would hurt my buys but by THAT much?</p><p> </p><p> Either way... it's a very minor gripe I have with an otherwise extremely addictive game that I play a heck of alot. My annoyance with this is easily corrected by simply not holding events outside of America :-) </p><p> </p><p> Problem solved.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude-1981 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 By the way, cards on the same night do not affect your buy-rate at all. Every card is assessed on it's merits. (Saw that someone else in the forum, a post by Adam I think.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude-1981 Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 <p>It's a 'bug' I think, well, maybe not a bug, but to me, this bit of the game is set up 'wrongly'. I'm Mid-Level International in Japan and the US, just put a show on in Japan and just got my 2nd highest buy-rate ever, same number of buys as it would have got in the US.</p><p> </p><p> If I was Low-Level International in Japan and still mid in the US, it would have done the number of buys I got when I was at that level in the US.</p><p> </p><p> (Apologies if I've not explained this very well, but I think we get the idea now.)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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