Too much standing guillotine finishes?

[Blackman]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm seeing way too much standing guillotine finishes in the game. Realistically, there's not that many standing guillotines ever working. Perhaps it should be toned down. What do you guys think?

[lean]

I think it's an anomaly in your game, I've only seen a handful of standing guillotines in almost 9 years in my game.

[Cinderkun]

I partially agree. On the one hand, I don't see standing guillotines attempted very often in my game. On the other, when they are attempted, they succeed nearly all the time. I don't think I've ever seen one fail when a fighter has attempted it.

[Paatero]

I'm not a 100% certain, but doesn't the commentary state something like the fighter attempting it pulls the opponent with him/her to the ground? As in catching the guillotine and then pulling guard, because that's the most common way people get it in MMA, apart from catching it from a scramble - which, as far as I know, isn't happening in WMMA.

[abovethesink]

In my lost game on my now dead computer, Li Kong Ho won an absurd amount of fights by standing guillotine. I didn't see it as a wider plague like the armbar from mount madness, but Ho himself was on an amazing twenty fight win streak half of which were by standing guillotine.

[Paatero]

I'll confirm, in part of these guillotine finishes that happen in the clinch, the commentary says: "gets caught in the guillotine and pulled to the ground with it!" or something to that effect.

 

There are some commentary lines that don't say it, though, "X gets the standing guillotine fully applied and Y has to tap".

[Blackman]

Well, I might be biased a little, as normally I play with GAMMA all the time. Standing guillotines were pretty rare there. My last (very long) game was with WEFF however, and there have been a big amount of guillotines. Nowhere near absurd, but there's a lot of wrestler-type workers that are successful, and submission specialists kind of prey on them. Perhaps it's kind of logical in a way.

 

The thing someone mentioned with the armbar from the mount is also omnipresent in my current game. Though it's perfectly reasonable people sometimes escape from a armbar from mount, it's pretty wild that most of the time it's attempted people manage to roll through to take side control. But I'm not nagging or anything. I just think it's a little bizar, is all.

[kjuice14]

Yeah i have a lot of guillotine finishes as well. Especially when the winner has his back to the cage. Not too many being take to the ground though, just having them slapped on standing.

 

OH! that and those blasted knees to the face from Muay Thai clinches

[Blackman]

That's what I mean. If a submission fighter gets pushed to the cage by a wrestler, I know I can almost skip the fight altogether because the guillotine will be there.

 

And do you get muay thai knees against the cage? I never had it. This is something that, imo, seems sorely lacking in WMMA. In all my time spend playing the game, never has a muay thai specialist got the idea of getting his clinch in against the cage. It's in UFC Undisputed, it's in real life. Why is it not in this game?

 

From a scramble, most of the time they try to grab a kneebar or something. Grabbing a guillotine would indeed be more common.

[Cinderkun]

That's what I mean. If a submission fighter gets pushed to the cage by a wrestler, I know I can almost skip the fight altogether because the guillotine will be there.

 

And do you get muay thai knees against the cage? I never had it. This is something that, imo, seems sorely lacking in WMMA. In all my time spend playing the game, never has a muay thai specialist got the idea of getting his clinch in against the cage. It's in UFC Undisputed, it's in real life. Why is it not in this game?

 

From a scramble, most of the time they try to grab a kneebar or something. Grabbing a guillotine would indeed be more common.

 

Actually, I've had many matches where a submission specialist will get pushed against the cage by a wrestler and not be able to get the guillotine or do anything else. The wrestler will just hold them there and dirty box, instead of taking them to the ground like they would if they were fighting an opponent who wasn't so great at submissions. It's a pretty smart way for the wrestler to do what he does best without being submitted, and I've only seen the submission specialist pull off a standing guillotine a few times. Like I mentioned earlier, though, whenever they do attempt it, it always seems to work.

 

Also, I do agree that there should be a Thai clinch against the cage, where a fighter can throw knees and elbows at his trapped opponent.

[WCW Mark]

I see them attempted quite often, maybe once per card (I have 6 or 7 matches on a card) but I've not seen one result in a submission yet. That's in around 4 years of game time

[Blackman]

Well, mostly, the note appears after this one:

 

"Fighter X finds it hard to keep any sort of real control" ->

 

And BAM! There's an attempt. But they don't always seem to work now that I'm paying attention. Perhaps it was a stroke of luck.

[ovoj]

I think it has a lot to do with fatigue. I get it a lot but my fights are 5 round standard and 7 round title fights (to counter those pesky wall and stall bastards, none of whom are anywhere near the top now). I don't mind it because the bonus gotten from a finish will counter all the dreariness the bastards have plagued the fight with.

[Pogo92]

You're just hitting a high-spot in guillotine finishes, probably because your top fighters have coincidentally increased their choke submissions the most.

 

 

The problem I have with guillotines, however: When a fighter shoots in for a takedown, you'll occasionally get the text, "Fighter A attempts to slap on a guillotine as Fighter B shoots in!".

 

Then.... Nothing happens. Fighter B auto-gets the takedown, and the guillotine is never mentioned. In fact, I've never seen that text (In my dozen or so years of in-game gameplay) yield anything more than a takedown ending in guard.

 

Conclusion? Guillotines off takedowns are bugged, which is unfortunate considering those compose... 15% of guillotines, maybe?

[NapDaddy]

You're just hitting a high-spot in guillotine finishes, probably because your top fighters have coincidentally increased their choke submissions the most.

 

 

The problem I have with guillotines, however: When a fighter shoots in for a takedown, you'll occasionally get the text, "Fighter A attempts to slap on a guillotine as Fighter B shoots in!".

 

Then.... Nothing happens. Fighter B auto-gets the takedown, and the guillotine is never mentioned. In fact, I've never seen that text (In my dozen or so years of in-game gameplay) yield anything more than a takedown ending in guard.

 

Conclusion? Guillotines off takedowns are bugged, which is unfortunate considering those compose... 15% of guillotines, maybe?

 

I've seen plenty of guillotines locked in off takedown attempts. They're not super common, but they do happen.

[Pogo92]

I've seen plenty of guillotines locked in off takedown attempts. They're not super common, but they do happen.

 

 

I've never seen a damned one, and I've seen a lot attempted. :/