Shmoe Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I think everybody needs to support this - even just sharing it around and getting the awareness out there, to try and prove the world can be a better place. It'd be nice to do some actual good, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 When I first heard I was going to "have to pay attention" for twenty seven minutes, I almost turned it off. Because when I first clicked in, I didn't even pay attention to what it is. Something made me watch, and wow, I'm happy I did. More then bringing a true scumbag to justice, I think it's great for us as an entire global community, work togather to do something truly amazing and postive. Thanks for posting this here. edit- Yeah, them making there link for the webpage from the video might be a first step for them. Thats just a sillly mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoe Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'm glad you watched and got what it was about! A positive movement and a chance to show that people can make a difference to the justice system by community creating awareness. I agree about the website man, but once you find it it's all good! Thanks to the person/people who voted this one star, and thereby put other people off from seeing this and maybe doing something to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Oh man, as if seeing this all over facebook wasn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Hopefully I'll be organising a big one here in Oz. I'll post vids if I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjb000 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 While I support the awareness of Kony and taking him down, I do NOT support donating to Invisible Children Inc. It's a very shady nonprofit organization that is untrustworthy. You should probably read this first: http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Target Practice Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yeah, been doing a bit of research myself today, and whilst I think the attention it will bring on the situation is invariably a good thing, there's absolutely no thought gone into this whatsoever - what happens when Kony's gone? Do they think the LRA will all just pack up and go home? Unlikely. Also, this might make interesting reading. And yes, those three white lads posing with the weapons ARE the same people who are running invisible children. I don't know if I'd go so far as to suggest the organisation is shady, but they definitely don't seem to have any long term goals beyond 'get the bad guy' and all live happily ever after. Sadly, the world isn't quite that black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Yeah, been doing a bit of research myself today, and whilst I think the attention it will bring on the situation is invariably a good thing, there's absolutely no thought gone into this whatsoever - what happens when Kony's gone? Do they think the LRA will all just pack up and go home? Unlikely. Exactly, a new warlord will just replace him. It happens all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoe Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 So all of this means that we can't do anything positive? Just the fact that there's awareness of these crimes is a step forward. This can be about more than one Ugandan warlord. If you think it's shady, excellent. I don't think telling people to be black and white about the world is the way to go, and I don't think people should be uneducated. I also don't think it's okay to use these things as an excuse, when you can do things outside of blindly donating Invisible Children (which I am in no way condoning or have ever said to go and do) to support this and many other causes. This whole thing could change the way that a global community with no official power can bring issues to the forefront. This, at a most basic level, boils down to human rights, and by association what is right. Instead of all this negativity, a terrible person has been finally brought into the public consciousness and people want to do something about it. That is a positive step. It's up to the casual person, like us, to continue down that path. I don't think everyone needs to donate or be up in arms or go on a campaign. We need to think from a human perspective, rather than the cynical one the likes of which I have never seen before today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Wolf Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble Here's one critics view of KONY 2012 http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote And here is a second. http://facecrooks.com/Internet-Safety-Privacy/kony-2012-invisible-children-awareness-campaign-read-this-before-sharing-their-video.html And a third piece http://www.dearcoquette.com/post/18911507827/on-donating-to-kony-2012 And a third one with recommended links for good aide organizations for this cause. I'm all for awareness of a problem which is why I recommend the documentary "Children of War" which sheds focuses specifically on the rehabilitation and recovery of former child soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Oh man, as if seeing this all over facebook wasn't enough. This^^ It seems to have popped up over night. I don't watch the news, nor most anything, but Facebook now here. YIKES seems I have some reading to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Yeah, like a few of you guys I did some reading and it looks like Invisible Children are not so great. Look, I understand this whole "But at least they are trying to do something positive" approach, but trying doesn't actually mean it will result in anything good happening. Hell, it might even make things worse. Do any of the other older folks remember Live Aid? I was a kid when that happened but long story short .... Most of the food supplies that bought never made it to the people it was meant to, the trucks bought to transport the food were actually used to relocate civilians into even more desolate areas where they died because Bono and Geldoff thought Ethiopian leader Mengistu wasn't evil. Turned out he was and he had a boner for genocide via starvation like most Socialists seem to. Last I heard he was hiding out in Zimbabwe under the protection of another top bloke, Robert Mugabe. So all those good intentions and big money raised without a lot of thought put into how it would work ended up just funding genocide. I think there is a pretty reasonable chance that this Kony thing could also have not so great consequences. Particularly since they believe in directly funding the Ugandan military. Has funding foreign armed forces ever not turned out horrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Something does need to be done, but I don't know how I would feel sending in troups to fight children with guns (which is what you would have to do, since Kony's army is mainly children, and even his bodyguards are as well). You don't need research to understand that in itself makes things more complicated. You go in to "save" these children, by killing them to get to their leader. I wouldn't want to be the guy to have to make those decisions, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 This is going to come across as me not having any compassion, so be it. While I think this is a good cause and this man needs to have a bullet put in his head, people have to understand there is not much to be done. Like I said before you take down one warlord and another takes his place. Once you get rid of Kony, then what happens? A lot of African nations only know civil war because it goes back to tribal beefs. The European powers did not exactly do a great job when they divided the African continent into countries. European Diplomat 1: Yeah let us put this tribe of people into a country with this tribe of people. European Diplomat 2: But these two tribes have been a war with each other for centuries... European Diplomat 1: Ah who cares it will sort itself out, plus we only want to exploit them for their resources. Decisions that were made in the 1830's and post World War II are coming back to haunt these poor people. How are we, the world community, supposed to stop these blood feuds that have been going on for centuries? I do agree that awareness needs to be brought to this topic, but if people think social media is going to stop this man well I am just not sure it can. Look at how well Somali turned out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 It's not that it's uncompassionate, but that it makes you think about it. The use of children is what is sickening to me, more then anything else talked about. Saying "well, their Government is just as bad" when they aren't quite as bad, is a cop out, at least to me. When faced with only one shot at ending at least one warlord, what other options are there? They say diplomacy in some of the other links provided in this thread, yet they acknowledge that he has already been involved in piece talks, and not been successful (obviously). If I got the facts right (and I might not have, because I haven't done a whole lot of research on this), the reason the Ugandan government’s army is supported, is because bassically no other government will. Therefore the Ugandan Army becomes the ONLY choice. Enemy of my enemy therefore becomes my ally, The Art of War. Some people are willing to talk, but not willing to change. The problem is, that this guy has all these other "Grown" children backing him up as well, now. SO if he dies, one of them will just replace him more then likely. We don't know that to be fact, unless it happens though. I sincerely doubt, that after taking him down, and his most loyal (probably fully grown) followers, that the rest of the children wouldn't be able to see that they could be finally free (of that part anyways). IF I had to make a decision, that's the route I would go. I would have him killed, and then have anyone trying to take his place killed. That could take less then five years before the rest would just NOT want to be replacing anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Therefore the Ugandan Army becomes the ONLY choice. Enemy of my enemy therefore becomes my ally, The Art of War. Remember when Afghanistan and Iraq were the enemies of America's enemies? Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Even before reading up on them, these activist blokes were rubbing me the wrong way. Something about them I don't like. Not so much in a moral way. More in a 'I would hate to have a beer with you guys' way. They (and the volunteers in the video) are trying to make a difference and advocate violence, but none of them have the balls to pick up the sword and fight for it. Letters and posters, sure. Joining the army, no. I just caught a faint hipstery student-waster vibe from the lot of them that I didn't like. Kony should be shot in the face though. If this helps, rock on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 What surprised me most is that people in the US apparently did not have a clue about the situation in Uganda. Most people here knew what was and is still going on there. BHK is right in the sense that Europe has left the continent in a really bad state, basically not caring at all what the people made of their own country. Emancipation was hot, and Africans and hippies wanted the suppressors out of the country. It was pretty distasteful to just leave them to the mercy of warlords without establishing decent governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 What surprised me most is that people in the US apparently did not have a clue about the situation in Uganda. Most people here knew what was and is still going on there. I'll admit that I had no clue what the thread was about. The other day, I clicked on the link and said "30 minutes? I'll pass." But then I looked up Kony yesterday because you guys were talking about it on here, thinking maybe it was something I should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 What surprised me most is that people in the US apparently did not have a clue about the situation in Uganda. Most people here knew what was and is still going on there. I was surprised when all my facebook friends were talking about being 'moved' by the video. Sadly, child soldiers in Africa is something I've been aware of for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon_lit_tears Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I'll admit that I had no clue what the thread was about. The other day, I clicked on the link and said "30 minutes? I'll pass." But then I looked up Kony yesterday because you guys were talking about it on here, thinking maybe it was something I should know. The reason it's so mainstream right now is because it's making money. Just plain and simple. If the people couldn't make money by selling shirts, doing interviews, or writing books the situation would still be in the dark the way it's been for YEARS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I was surprised when all my facebook friends were talking about being 'moved' by the video. Sadly, child soldiers in Africa is something I've been aware of for years. We all know it's been going on for years, I think the premise of this whole thing is this guy has been on the forefront of it for all said years. Or, well, most of it. You would think if they were making such a big step forward, they would try to make their organization look nickel, they're getting blasted with suspicions from cynics and naysayers every which way. It comes back to what MLT said, the guy is a marketing genius. Other organizations are gonna feel happy just doing what they do but this guy went above and beyond and got people involved. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna spread the word, but I won't do more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I've heard about the child solidiers for years as well. The video just gave the demon a face and a name to me. I agree with people that the guy who made the video seemed a bit off to me. Heck, first thing I personally thought was "that's not his kid." The big thing that I will support about this, is not spending money on it. Because as we know, they quite possibly are not on the up and up (which I can't think of any charity that is in my mind), but that you can easily do things on your own to get in on it. Making Kony famous isn't a bad idea. Making people more aware, or reminding people, is a good thing. Keeping it in the publics eye meens that whatever millitary assistance we're offering, will stay in offer. I'm not saying that anything will ever be perfect in Africa, but taking a chance at it doesn't bother me nearly as much as what we've attempted to do in other regions over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The number one goal stated by the organisation is to bring awareness to Kony and what's happening there. That's a good cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 You know just because the public might have not heard of this guy, does not mean that the various governments have not heard of him, you know the people who can actually do something to stop people like Kony. It is not easy tracking these types of people, look at how look it took to get Bin Laden. Heck I would not be shocked if there are still members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (The site will not let me use their more recognizable name.) living in South America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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