New Game??

[shawn michaels]

TEW has a lot of room to improvement and it is GDS' biggest hit series. I do not have access to their sales records, i'm basing my opinion in what i hear from people in and out of this forum. TEW is far more famous (a good incidator) and i'm pretty sure that TEW 10 is probably the best-selling game ever for GDS. So, not doing a new chapter for the series would be bad because a lot of fans are waiting for a new TEW. I'm one of them. And if MMA fans want to say they rather see a new WMMA version beeing made instead, that's fine, just don't say that TEW doesn't have room for improvement. It is, in my opinion the best GDS game ever at this point, and having to wait 3 or 4 years for a sequel qould prbably kill the wrestling fans appetite for a new game.

[HansLanda11]

TEW has a lot of room to improvement and it is GDS' biggest hit series. I do not have access to their sales records, i'm basing my opinion in what i hear from people in and out of this forum. TEW is far more famous (a good incidator) and i'm pretty sure that TEW 10 is probably the best-selling game ever for GDS. So, not doing a new chapter for the series would be bad because a lot of fans are waiting for a new TEW. I'm one of them. And if MMA fans want to say they rather see a new WMMA version beeing made instead, that's fine, just don't say that TEW doesn't have room for improvement. It is, in my opinion the best GDS game ever at this point, and having to wait 3 or 4 years for a sequel qould prbably kill the wrestling fans appetite for a new game.

 

I think what most people are trying to say is that the WMMA series has much more room for improvement than the TEW series. TEW is more famous because wrestling is more popular than MMA but MMA will surely but slowly be catching up. Another posible reason why TEW is more popular is because it's a more complete game than WMMA hence the reason why most of us want a new WMMA before a new TEW.

 

I think Adam should make WMMA4 with multi-player and then he'll have nearly two years to come up with a new and improved TEW game. Ofcourse this is just my opinion and it doesn't mean i'm right.

 

It's not like any of this conversation matters... the fact is that Adam is working on a new game right now whether it be WMMA or TEW and nothing is going to change his mind. One way or another, I can't wait!

[Tag01]

TEW has a lot of room to improvement and it is GDS' biggest hit series. I do not have access to their sales records, i'm basing my opinion in what i hear from people in and out of this forum. TEW is far more famous (a good incidator) and i'm pretty sure that TEW 10 is probably the best-selling game ever for GDS. So, not doing a new chapter for the series would be bad because a lot of fans are waiting for a new TEW. I'm one of them. And if MMA fans want to say they rather see a new WMMA version beeing made instead, that's fine, just don't say that TEW doesn't have room for improvement. It is, in my opinion the best GDS game ever at this point, and having to wait 3 or 4 years for a sequel qould prbably kill the wrestling fans appetite for a new game.

 

No need to get worked up. I play TEW and WMMA, and can say from experience there is more room to improve WMMA. I have several posts on the big changes Id like to see. There aren't any major changes needed for TEW.

[shawn michaels]

No need to get worked up. I play TEW and WMMA, and can say from experience there is more room to improve WMMA. I have several posts on the big changes Id like to see. There aren't any major changes needed for TEW.

 

Sure, but we recently had a WMMA3 and launching a TEW (last seen in 2010) would make more sense. Besided, TEW still has a long way to go when it comes to improvements.

[damonster]

Sure, but we recently had a WMMA3 and launching a TEW (last seen in 2010) would make more sense. Besided, TEW still has a long way to go when it comes to improvements.

 

Yeah WMMA 3 has just recently been released, 2010, a WMMA is not to the level of TEW and most of the stuff you see in a new TEW will be for cosmatics, WMMA on the other hand, would add cosmatic and new features and fighting engine, imo.

[NWO4until01]

Couldnt disagree more with the notion that TEW does not have room for improvement... it feels like a half-finished game sometimes. Although I'm hoping its TEW, I think WMMA is next...

[damonster]

Couldnt disagree more with the notion that TEW does not have room for improvement... it feels like a half-finished game sometimes. Although I'm hoping its TEW, I think WMMA is next...

 

Yeah, every game could use improvements, it's just what type of improvements and how much improvements.

[Tag01]

Couldnt disagree more with the notion that TEW does not have room for improvement... it feels like a half-finished game sometimes. Although I'm hoping its TEW, I think WMMA is next...

 

No one said it doesn't have room for improvement. Just way, way less than WMMA. What are the big gaping holes in TEW? I only notice small cosmetic things. There are some big ticket improvements that would really take WMMA a long way; I don't think there's anything like that for TEW.

[djthefunkchris]

To me it doesn't really matter what has more to improve... if we go by that then CBH is my pick... However, I don't think they ever stop "working" on any of the games, unless it just somehow gets to where they might be bored with one of them, or lack of interest for the moment.

 

I mostly only buy Adam's games, and I can't imagine him (outside of breaks etc.) not working on them, even if only mentally, all at once. What I mean by this, is I imagine him working on whichever one he 'thinks' of something for first. Whichever one is closest to being a new release first will be the next one he does.... No matter which game "I" think needs to be worked on first.

 

And that's how I want it... Meaning, I would rather him (or any of them) to work on whichever one they are inspired on at the time, and when they are feeling pretty sure it has enough to gain for a new release, then let us in on it. I can't imagine a game coming out as good if they were all worried about going in some sort of an order, and "forcing" an outcome that perhaps they wouldn't be happy with themselves. First make themselves happy with it, tell us about it, do the journal thing with a watchful eye on comments, and change or enhance only what is necessary to make a successful release.

 

So, I'm going to hope for whatever game has inspired them the most, not caring which one needs it most.

[Remianen]

Unless there are vast improvements to the TEW series I'd hope he'd put that off. If he found a way to make story lines more engaging and to speed up the game so that a year in game didn't feel like a year in the real world than I'd welcome a new game. I think more randomness would be better than requiring user micromanaging of everything.

 

And here's a major problem. You want less micromanaging and I want MORE of it. See the dichotomy?

 

I think Adam should make WMMA4 with multi-player and then he'll have nearly two years to come up with a new and improved TEW game. Ofcourse this is just my opinion and it doesn't mean i'm right.

 

Absolutely, patently false. Do you honestly think TEW's fanbase is going to wait FIVE YEARS (guessing that anything Adam's working on isn't going to come out next week or even next month so say late 2012 plus TWO YEARS would be late 2014, or early 2015) for a new game? Seriously? I'm probably one of the biggest TEW cheerleaders in the community and I wouldn't wait five years for a new game. You also seem to be of the belief that real multiplayer wouldn't require much in the way of maintenance post release. I think we all know how false that is.

 

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong. I'm saying what you base that opinion on is. TEW2010 came out on or about January 26, 2010. Let's say WMMA4 comes out, as you wish, in January of 2013 (just to keep things even). With the "almost two years" he has to come up with a new TEW (because remember, he'll be spending months supporting/fixing/patching WMMA4 with its new, real multiplayer feature), you're looking at January of 2015 for the release of a new TEW (at the very earliest, due to the support the proposed new WMMA4 will require). That's the part I take issue with. True multiplayer is HARD and requires tons of support (ask Blizzard (D3), and they have over a decade's of experience with it!). It's not 'fire and forget' at all.

 

Honestly, I wanna see what Arlie's got up his sleeve. CEO's been sittin' on the sidelines quite a while. If he's not careful, people will start to think he's going the Will Wright/Warren Spector route. ("I'll come out with a new game, maybe twice a generation")

[HansLanda11]

I think you're taking things a bit too seriously but I am not interested in an argument of any kind because I come to this site to have fun so I will quietly butt out of this conversation. Have a good one.

[Makhai]

And here's a major problem. You want less micromanaging and I want MORE of it. See the dichotomy?

 

 

 

Absolutely, patently false. Do you honestly think TEW's fanbase is going to wait FIVE YEARS (guessing that anything Adam's working on isn't going to come out next week or even next month so say late 2012 plus TWO YEARS would be late 2014, or early 2015) for a new game? Seriously? I'm probably one of the biggest TEW cheerleaders in the community and I wouldn't wait five years for a new game. You also seem to be of the belief that real multiplayer wouldn't require much in the way of maintenance post release. I think we all know how false that is.

 

I'm not saying your opinion is wrong. I'm saying what you base that opinion on is. TEW2010 came out on or about January 26, 2010. Let's say WMMA4 comes out, as you wish, in January of 2013 (just to keep things even). With the "almost two years" he has to come up with a new TEW (because remember, he'll be spending months supporting/fixing/patching WMMA4 with its new, real multiplayer feature), you're looking at January of 2015 for the release of a new TEW (at the very earliest, due to the support the proposed new WMMA4 will require). That's the part I take issue with. True multiplayer is HARD and requires tons of support (ask Blizzard (D3), and they have over a decade's of experience with it!). It's not 'fire and forget' at all.

 

Honestly, I wanna see what Arlie's got up his sleeve. CEO's been sittin' on the sidelines quite a while. If he's not careful, people will start to think he's going the Will Wright/Warren Spector route. ("I'll come out with a new game, maybe twice a generation")

 

Who said anything about "real" multiplayer... I'd be perfectly happy with FM pseudo-multiplayer. Get my hamachi on... PWN some fools. As to TEW fans getting pissy... Are you guys really that desperate to hand GDS 30 bucks for ostensibly the same game? If TEW has all this room for growth... Where is it? A WMMA match engine? I can see a few tweaks, some ease of use stuff. But TEW is largley Madden at this point, it is what it is. Love it or not.

 

And this false talk of "the community is dying" is moronic. EWR is still floating around online(P.S. Still holds up pretty well too) and that still has a vibrant community almost a decade later. Everybodies just getting entitled because the new hotness has worn off and they need the new hottness. Kinda sad really. You guys should be applauding them for not just releasing a 30 dollar patch. Which is what a TEW game would probably be. If we were being reasonable.

[Blake Trask]

*looks at the vast, vast array of topics that have been posted in the suggestions forum for TEW 2010*

 

Even accounting for the fact that a large number of those suggestions are going to be repetitions on a theme or duds, there are some gems in that board and even asides from that, plenty that could be changed and could be improved, to the point where calling a new game a 30 dollar patch is more than a little cursory.

 

Ostensibly the same game... I didn't play previous titles aside from 05, but I know full well calling them the same game is a pretty big disservice. It's the same data and the same basic framework, but the gulf in quality (not to say previous games were bad, but 10 is great) is marked. Calling it basically Madden in terms of updates and so on demonstrates a lack of acknowledgement for the depth of the game.

 

Nobody I see is getting entitled... they're just saying, hey WMMA3 was more recent than the last TEW title, TEW does have things that could be improved on, some TEW love would be nice. The basic activity on the forums is also a strong indication of where most of the interest lies, and whilst I feel like I might be belabouring the point, the TEW forums are by far the most populated.

[NWO4until01]

Who said anything about "real" multiplayer... I'd be perfectly happy with FM pseudo-multiplayer. Get my hamachi on... PWN some fools. As to TEW fans getting pissy... Are you guys really that despite to hand GDS 30 bucks for ostensibly the same game? If TEW has all this room for growth... Where is it? A WMMA match engine? I can see a few tweaks, some ease of use stuff. But TEW is largley Madden at this point, it is what it is. Love it or not.

 

And this false talk of "the community is dying" is moronic. EWR is still floating around online(P.S. Still holds up pretty well too) and that still has a vibrant community almost a decade later. Everybodies just getting entitled because the new hotness has worn off and they need the new hottness. Kinda sad really. You guys should be applauding them for not just releasing a 30 dollar patch. Which is what a TEW game would probably be. If we were being reasonable.

 

this is the only 'pissy' reply in this thread from what I can see... and seeing as you asked, here is my $30 patch...

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514698

plenty of room for improvement!

and I've played and enjoyed WMMA3 very much. I just see more room for improvement in TEW. Having said that, like I said b4, I think WMMA is next...

[Makhai]

*looks at the vast, vast array of topics that have been posted in the suggestions forum for TEW 2010*

 

Even accounting for the fact that a large number of those suggestions are going to be repetitions on a theme or duds, there are some gems in that board and even asides from that, plenty that could be changed and could be improved, to the point where calling a new game a 30 dollar patch is more than a little cursory.

 

Ostensibly the same game... I didn't play previous titles aside from 05, but I know full well calling them the same game is a pretty big disservice. It's the same data and the same basic framework, but the gulf in quality (not to say previous games were bad, but 10 is great) is marked. Calling it basically Madden in terms of updates and so on demonstrates a lack of acknowledgement for the depth of the game.

 

Nobody I see is getting entitled... they're just saying, hey WMMA3 was more recent than the last TEW title, TEW does have things that could be improved on, some TEW love would be nice. The basic activity on the forums is also a strong indication of where most of the interest lies, and whilst I feel like I might be belabouring the point, the TEW forums are by far the most populated.

 

I've gandered that forum same as you, most are either silly and not practical on a 6mo dev cycle, or are things like, "we should be allowed to rate guys on flashiness" and stuff in that vain. Which is fine by-the-way. But a whole game of just these things would probably get a hard "MEH" from the community, lets be real here.

 

Either way, I have zero skin in this game. I'm thrilled with TEW 2010, and satisfied with WMMA 3. I'm just upset at 3 pages of divisive lobbying for both games. It's ridiculous, the decision have been made anyway, why are we arguing?

[Mr_Tricky]

I think each game can be improved quite a bit with an accumulation of small improvements - TEW and WMMA I mean - but I feel like they are fundamentally near perfect.

 

Out of all the previous games, I would just prefer Adam moves right into CBH2, because I believe it has a lot of unrealized potential.

 

However, it might just be a completely new game altogether. I always thought a porn industry manager would work really well with Adam's style.

[Blackman]

Absolutely, patently false. Do you honestly think TEW's fanbase is going to wait FIVE YEARS (guessing that anything Adam's working on isn't going to come out next week or even next month so say late 2012 plus TWO YEARS would be late 2014, or early 2015) for a new game? Seriously? I'm probably one of the biggest TEW cheerleaders in the community and I wouldn't wait five years for a new game. You also seem to be of the belief that real multiplayer wouldn't require much in the way of maintenance post release. I think we all know how false that is.

 

You mentioned Diablo 3 yourself, and you think the fanbase will not last waiting for 5 years? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So claim to be a fan yet are eager to abandon a game you consider yourself a cheerleader for if it doesn't get released in 1 year? So you'll just sit and watch when it's released? Sounds like that's something only haters will do.

 

It makes more sense for TEW to wait longer to make a big impact. The impact of the last game was huge as it had big improvements imo. For something that huge we'll probably have to wait that much longer. WMMA3 isn't such a huge step forward if we make abstraction of the fighting code itself, and could do way better from a managing standpoint.

 

But like I said before, I think the next game will be neither of the 2 franchises.

[mike b]

<p>Lets put a end to all these speculations with this simple but true statement!</p><p> </p><p>

WHO KNOWS WHAT LURKS IN THE MINDS OF THE DEV'S</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

ONLY THE SHADOW KNOWS</p>

[Portlius]

<p>My fantasy game would be a multi sport management game. Players represent a city and allocates talents/resources into various pro sports teams. So you do concentrate on your soccer team, your baseball side, your boxers or spread the resources around? </p><p> </p><p>

As you earn victory points your city increases in size and that means you can have more sports teams but expectation from the public also increases.</p><p> </p><p>

I have been toying with this sort of game for years but don't have the database skills. It is probably is a bit too ambitious but a man can but dream <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[ShadowedFlames]

Willing to bet dollars to donuts that it's a TEW game. We're about due for another one anyway.

[Payne]

I'm probably one of the biggest TEW cheerleaders in the community and I wouldn't wait five years for a new game.

 

The problem is, yes you will. Because you are a fan, you will get it when it comes out.

 

Realistically, what are you going to do, when it comes out if 5 years, cross your arms, hold your breath and pout, saying that you're not going to buy it on principal?

 

I highly doubt it. Just like every other fanboy, you're going to gripe the entire time it's not out, then, if it does take that long, you'll whine and complain that it's substandard due to the wait. Same as StarCraft II and Diablo 3.

 

This kind of crap happens all the time, and it's just proof of the self-centeredness and the feeling of entitlement people get.

 

I waited 27 years for the first game to come out, and I love EW. I can wait a few more years, and be happy Adam took the time, effort and energy to make TEW 2015, or 16, or 13, or 21.

 

You will wait, and you will buy it. To quote a movie, directed to Adam, "If you build it, they will come."

[soxfan93]

My long-awaited two cents (just kidding):

 

As much as I would like it to be a new TEW, this should only happen if Adam has sat down and figured out how to make NWA-style umbrella organizations work. That is the next major addition. If he hasn't quite figured that out yet (it's actually much, much more than a feature, it's an entire overhaul of the system) then he simply needs to move on to another project and come back to TEW later. Remi, even if it takes 5 years, if the next game (let's call it TEW 2015) has an NWA-style system, you (and everybody else) will be more than happy with it. Obviously, other things will be added to it (much simpler than this) but that is the absolute crown jewel of the next game.

 

Simply put, if he can't figure out where to begin on an NWA territory system, move on to WMMA. Try again at another time, because other than that, TEW is nearly perfect. Or, at least, perfect enough to make the wait worth it.

[kaneso14]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="soxfan93" data-cite="soxfan93" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="33710" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My long-awaited two cents (just kidding):<p> </p><p> As much as I would like it to be a new TEW, this should only happen if Adam has sat down and figured out how to make NWA-style umbrella organizations work. That is the next major addition. If he hasn't quite figured that out yet (it's actually much, much more than a feature, it's an entire overhaul of the system) then he simply needs to move on to another project and come back to TEW later. Remi, even if it takes 5 years, if the next game (let's call it TEW 2015) has an NWA-style system, you (and everybody else) will be more than happy with it. Obviously, other things will be added to it (much simpler than this) but that is the absolute crown jewel of the next game.</p><p> </p><p> Simply put, if he can't figure out where to begin on an NWA territory system, move on to WMMA. Try again at another time, because other than that, TEW is nearly perfect. Or, at least, perfect enough to make the wait worth it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There's nothing in Adam's created game world, the Cornellverse, that requires the use of an NWA style territory system. I'd hazard a guess that Adam does not design the game with real world mods in mind.</p>

[soxfan93]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="kaneso14" data-cite="kaneso14" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="33710" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's nothing in Adam's created game world, the Cornellverse, that requires the use of an NWA style territory system. I'd hazard a guess that Adam does not design the game with real world mods in mind.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It is a <strong>fictional</strong> universe. Who knows what has happened in the past 5 years? Why is it so unbelievable that a group of indy promotions have joined forces to take down the SWF?</p>

[Blake Trask]

Whilst I acknowledge there's a demand for that type of feature, I find it a bit of a sweeping generalisation to say that everyone would be happy with a new game if and only if that feature was in. I personally couldn't care less whether it was in or not - I just know that a lot of 'small' tweaks add up to a pretty big overhaul in the long run.