Big Mikey Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Does anyone know off hand which mods currently have the gimmick issue and which ones don't? The issue I'm talking about is the one where the baby face/heel performance was fine but cocky, wholesome etc. performance settings were off because the modders thought they would improve over time but in fact it was found out that they don't. Just wanting to know because I plan on starting another game soon so my next game I'll use a data that is good to go rather than start one where I might need to make edits to down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 <p>I've had Hulk Hogan not being able to pull off the "Hulkamaniac" gimmick...</p><p> That just seems wrong.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gungner" data-cite="Gungner" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="35690" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've had Hulk Hogan not being able to pull off the "Hulkamaniac" gimmick...<p> That just seems wrong.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There is more that goes into a gimmick rating than just the worker and said gimmick.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 <p>Well... There shouldn't be. </p><p> If someone is doing a mod, they need to make sure that the worker can pull off the gimmick they are known for.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Yes, because the mod-maker can account for randomness. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Sorry to drag this back up from the ages, but can anyone elaborate on this performances won't improve over time statement that was made by the OP? Is that a new thing or something that has always been that way? Some clarification would be good as I may need to update things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Sorry to drag this back up from the ages, but can anyone elaborate on this performances won't improve over time statement that was made by the OP? Is that a new thing or something that has always been that way? Some clarification would be good as I may need to update things Gimmick performance doesn't improve. Ever. The only thing that improves is heel/face performance. So if you're doing a mod you better set their gimmick performances to the values that workers will have on their peak. It has always been like this, don't know why some were caught off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Cheers for that. Hopefully I'm not too caught out with that one (I'd just falsely assumed there always was gradual improvement - ah well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mikey Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 Any answers to my original question? This isn't meant to be a slap in the face to any modders. Regardless of the ones that had/have this issue I'm still thankful you even produce mods on your own free time. Just at the moment I'm looking for one that doesn't have that issue so I won't have to make edits to it down the road when I start having guys debuting. College is finishing up for the semester so I'll just have to worry about working and I'll have considerably more free time on my hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamelessposer Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I've had Hulk Hogan not being able to pull off the "Hulkamaniac" gimmick... That just seems wrong. If you're playing a mod with a "Hulkamaniac" gimmick, it's a bad mod. There's nothing about that gimmick that doesn't fall under the heading of Fan Favorite or Old School Face, and anyone who doesn't get that shouldn't be modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 If you're playing a mod with a "Hulkamaniac" gimmick, it's a bad mod. There's nothing about that gimmick that doesn't fall under the heading of Fan Favorite or Old School Face, and anyone who doesn't get that shouldn't be modding. Agreed. I checked my collection of mods, and the only one (that I have) that has this gimmick is the 1983 mod. It also has "Macho Madness," "King of Memphis," "American Badass," and "American Dream." It also has "Hearthrob," [sic] which is really just Teen Idol, is it not? Edit: It also has something called "Oriental Brute." Just let that soak in, as it's wrong on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarasus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Agreed. I checked my collection of mods, and the only one (that I have) that has this gimmick is the 1983 mod. It also has "Macho Madness," "King of Memphis," "American Badass," and "American Dream." It also has "Hearthrob," [sic] which is really just Teen Idol, is it not? Edit: It also has something called "Oriental Brute." Just let that soak in, as it's wrong on many levels. I got them gimmicks from one of the most revered mods on these boards Death of the Territories. So for you two say that the person that put gimmicks like that in a mod shouldn't be modding you might what to check yourself before saying things. Dusty Rhodes gimmick was totally different than Hulk Hogan. Magnum T.A. was totally different than Hulk Hogan and Dusty Rhodes. All would be considered fan favorites. The gimmicks are unique as to fit them. All these so called gimmicks your pointing out Soxfan was actually the name of the gimmicks the wrestlers gave themselves. The Undertaker went from his deadman gimmick to the American Badass gimmick. So trust me I understand they are gimmick issues I am trying to fix them. I have also had gimmick issues with other mods but I don't come on here put them on blast and say or agree they shouldn't be modding. It was also my first attempt at a mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I got them gimmicks from one of the most revered mods on these boards Death of the Territories. So for you two say that the person that put gimmicks like that in a mod shouldn't be modding you might what to check yourself before saying things. Dusty Rhodes gimmick was totally different than Hulk Hogan. Magnum T.A. was totally different than Hulk Hogan and Dusty Rhodes. All would be considered fan favorites. The gimmicks are unique as to fit them. All these so called gimmicks your pointing out Soxfan was actually the name of the gimmicks the wrestlers gave themselves. The Undertaker went from his deadman gimmick to the American Badass gimmick. So trust me I understand they are gimmick issues I am trying to fix them. I have also had gimmick issues with other mods but I don't come on here put them on blast and say or agree they shouldn't be modding. It was also my first attempt at a mod. I'm not trying to antagonize you, because that's not what this thread is for, and I don't want it to get locked. All I'm saying is most of those gimmicks do, in fact, fall under something else, and are simply duplicate entries just to get the name to show up. The name of the gimmick is completely irrelevant, as long as the skills are accurate. There is no need for an "American Badass" gimmick, for example, as it is already in the game as "Biker." Same with the others, as they would all be considered "Unique Charismatic." For any further discussion, please just PM me. This topic has been derailed enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I got them gimmicks from one of the most revered mods on these boards Death of the Territories. So for you two say that the person that put gimmicks like that in a mod shouldn't be modding you might what to check yourself before saying things. Dusty Rhodes gimmick was totally different than Hulk Hogan. Magnum T.A. was totally different than Hulk Hogan and Dusty Rhodes. All would be considered fan favorites. The gimmicks are unique as to fit them. All these so called gimmicks your pointing out Soxfan was actually the name of the gimmicks the wrestlers gave themselves. The Undertaker went from his deadman gimmick to the American Badass gimmick. So trust me I understand they are gimmick issues I am trying to fix them. I have also had gimmick issues with other mods but I don't come on here put them on blast and say or agree they shouldn't be modding. It was also my first attempt at a mod. Not to be rude, but it seems you've confused "gimmicks" and "characters". Hulk Hogan running around saying "What'cha gonna do, broth'a" isn't a gimmick, it's part of his character. I'd have his gimmick down as 'Fan Favorite'. This is something that is often done, and ends up with a bloated gimmicks file, when essentially alot of these wrestlers use the same gimmick - just a different variation, based on character. No need for every character to have their own gimmick. EDIT: Ah didn't realise I'd pretty much repeated Soxfan93; sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarasus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Not to be rude, but it seems you've confused "gimmicks" and "characters". Hulk Hogan running around saying "What'cha gonna do, broth'a" isn't a gimmick, it's part of his character. I'd have his gimmick down as 'Fan Favorite'. This is something that is often done, and ends up with a bloated gimmicks file, when essentially alot of these wrestlers use the same gimmick - just a different variation, based on character. No need for every character to have their own gimmick. EDIT: Ah didn't realise I'd pretty much repeated Soxfan93; sorry. I agree with you both. No I am not confused I was just highly pissed when I was writing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I agree with you both. No I am not confused I was just highly pissed when I was writing that. I understand, you've spent a lot of time and hard work on your mod. I'd have been pissed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I actually don't have a problem with the "duplicate" gimmicks because if you're running a company that's having weekly TV shows, the gimmicks/characters will get stale quicker than it would running a company that holds monthly events. Do you really want Hulk Hogan going from being Hulk Hogan to being Fireman Hulk Hogan just like that? A bad example, I know, but thought it would help get the point across, lol With the "duplicates," you're basically developing the character over time just like in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I actually don't have a problem with the "duplicate" gimmicks because if you're running a company that's having weekly TV shows, the gimmicks/characters will get stale quicker than it would running a company that holds monthly events. Do you really want Hulk Hogan going from being Hulk Hogan to being Fireman Hulk Hogan just like that? A bad example, I know, but thought it would help get the point across, lol With the "duplicates," you're basically developing the character over time just like in real life. The problem with this is, you might as well duplicate all of the gimmicks in the file since that can be said for all of them. What many people would consider the 'Stone Cold' gimmick is actually Bad Ass, Rebel, and Egomaniac (Alliance), changing over time. So which one do you copy or do you copy them all? For the OP, I can tell you to stay away from Capt Charisma's data since it does have the problem you mention. Most workers have the default personality (humble, ruthless, optimistic, manipulative, mercenary, extremely flaky) and 50 in legitimate and wholesome but 20 in all the other categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 The problem with this is, you might as well duplicate all of the gimmicks in the file since that can be said for all of them. What many people would consider the 'Stone Cold' gimmick is actually Bad Ass, Rebel, and Egomaniac (Alliance), changing over time. So which one do you copy or do you copy them all? And no one's holding a gun to anyone's head saying they have to keep the data that's in the mod they chose to download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 And no one's holding a gun to anyone's head saying they have to keep the data that's in the mod they chose to download. Ugh, the single worst argument for anything ever. I guess I'll put a smiley here to mask the sarcasm and contempt in the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 And no one's holding a gun to anyone's head saying they have to keep the data that's in the mod they chose to download. Actually, they kind of are. Once you replace the gimmicks in the dataset, it will ruin all gimmicks that are set for the workers within the game world. All of the sudden everyone set with the Bad Ass gimmick has the Family Guy gimmick because the original gimmick file and the inported gimmick file are made up differently, and the game will still try and match up the gimmicks to workers. In leyman's terms, the game doesn't see that there is a Bad Ass gimmick in two datasets, it see's gimmick ID#1 in dataset 1 and ID#1 in dataset 2, and assumes they are the same, irrespective of name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarasus Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 It also doesn't help that when you choose a gimmick the game says the wrestler shouldn't have a problem with this gimmick. Then you get bad gimmick penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 It also doesn't help that when you choose a gimmick the game says the wrestler shouldn't have a problem with this gimmick. Then you get bad gimmick penalty. Shouldn't and won't are two different things. The message simply means that he has the skills to pull it off. There are still a number of variables to determine the gimmick rating afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Ugh, the single worst argument for anything ever. I guess I'll put a smiley here to mask the sarcasm and contempt in the post. All you ever want to do is argue. Until you make a full on mod yourself, S.T.F.U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamelessposer Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 All you ever want to do is argue. Until you make a full on mod yourself, S.T.F.U. No, dude, he's absolutely right. The whole "No one's holding a gun to your head" thing is a dodge that excuses shoddy work. Modders should be held to some sort of standard, because without that standard the drcat123s of the world steal other people's work and label it their own or alvasaurus spends the rest of his life without knowing what a gimmick is. If I release a mod it's because I take pride in my work and am arrogant enough that I want the whole world to know it. If other people have to go back behind me and correct all the mistakes I've made because I don't understand even the basics of a core gameplay mechanic, that shows I haven't done my job. By the way, your whole "Until you make a full on mod yourself" bit is another tired argument that's never produced anything useful. I don't need to be a chef to say I've had a bad meal, I don't need to be a director to say I've seen a bad movie, and I don't need to have modded a game (which, before you make your next attack, I have) before saying a mod is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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