justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 So I know this was discussed back in 2010, but the areas assigned to certain regions by TEW just don't make logical sense and should definitely be changed. Real world mods should not be using the TEW locations. Please keep in mind the following things with this discussion: 1) Location file names are just cosmetic ultimately. 2) Adam is not from America and did his best guess, but ultimately is not American So, here was the prior thread http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70230 And here is the map: http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa192/dse81_photo/USAMap.jpg Now, this map is just bogus to the way the regions should be setup in my opinion. Here would be my suggestion: Hawaii: Hawaii obviously North West: Washington, Oregon, Idaho South West: California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico Mid South: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi Great Lakes: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio South East: Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Florida Mid Atlantic: South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware Tri STate: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut New England: Same as it is listed Mid West: same as it is except it needs to have Kansas in it. Any thoughts on that? Reason why I would be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain2 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 2) Adam is not from America and did his best guess, but ultimately is not American Between this quote and your avatar wearing a cowboy hat I just couldn't help but chuckle a little. Nothing against your map, it just reminds me of something Stephen Colbert or Zeb Coulter would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Me personally, I like the proposed changes, though you forgot to list the Mid West. And while I initially thought that Colorado could go in the Mid West, I think you might be right to put it in the South West. I seem to recall that the WWF started going to Denver quite a bit in 1985 (they even ran a Hulk Hogan/Terry Funk angle in Denver that was completed on Saturday Night's Main Event). And from what I remember Jim Cornette saying when talking about what companies had what territories sewn up, he said the WWF had the South West territory pretty much sewn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Between this quote and your avatar wearing a cowboy hat I just couldn't help but chuckle a little. Nothing against your map, it just reminds me of something Stephen Colbert or Zeb Coulter would say. To quell the xenophobic fears, the avatar is Stan Hansen who wrestled primarily in Japan, the majority of my wrestling collection is Japanese magazines, I rate Jumbo Tsuruta ahead of Ric Flair and my favorite place in the whole world is Canada. I do live in Texas though. The comment wasn't meant to insult him so I hope he wouldn't read it that way. I don't comment on British game mechanics because it's incredibly hard for me to understand them or learn them except when other Brits teach me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Me personally, I like the proposed changes, though you forgot to list the Mid West. And while I initially thought that Colorado could go in the Mid West, I think you might be right to put it in the South West. I seem to recall that the WWF started going to Denver quite a bit in 1985 (they even ran a Hulk Hogan/Terry Funk angle in Denver that was completed on Saturday Night's Main Event). And from what I remember Jim Cornette saying when talking about what companies had what territories sewn up, he said the WWF had the South West territory pretty much sewn up. They also started running LA and did good business out there. No one else ever really was able to get a foothold again California, Colorado, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheZies Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 it's a map for human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtechguy Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 #WeThePeople Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 This brings up a should TEW have states or just the regions now? Or even countries in each foreign region. Maybe an option for each style. Would average your pop in each state and that would be your pop for that region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 This brings up a should TEW have states or just the regions now? Or even countries in each foreign region. Maybe an option for each style. Would average your pop in each state and that would be your pop for that region. Laid out a proposal for something like in the suggestions thread, but instead of each state I propose region-sub region. Could call it region-territory or something like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain2 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 To quell the xenophobic fears, the avatar is Stan Hansen who wrestled primarily in Japan, the majority of my wrestling collection is Japanese magazines, I rate Jumbo Tsuruta ahead of Ric Flair and my favorite place in the whole world is Canada. I do live in Texas though. The comment wasn't meant to insult him so I hope he wouldn't read it that way. I don't comment on British game mechanics because it's incredibly hard for me to understand them or learn them except when other Brits teach me. Nah no worries man, I just found it really funny. I knew it wasn't intentional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallbanger Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Yep, I would agree with all of this. I struggle a little bit with Minnesota because there are good arguments for both having it in Midwest and Great Lakes. In your Rising Storms mod I created a local fed based in Sioux Falls, SD. Culturally the Dakotas (in particular the region known as 'East River') tie to Minnesota fairly tightly, and I envisioned my local fed eventually getting into a regional war with PWA. But PWA is set in Great Lakes, and in the context of the mod it makes sense. I ruminated on it for a bit and decided to tweak PWA to be in Mid West (since that made more sense than putting the Dakotas in Great Lakes). Everything else though I think there a strong case for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Yeah Minnesota is a little tougher. You could argue them for Mid West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Could honestly rename Great Lakes to Mid West, Mid West to Central States and then have: Mid West: Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Ohio. Central States: Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri. For gaming purposes I may move the Dakotas to the Great Lakes in Rising Storms (even though they aren't the lakes) just because it doesn't really make sense for them to be grouped with Kansas and Missouri. Edit: In fact, I'm adjusting my map suggestion based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarmonyOfDissonance Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Could honestly rename Great Lakes to Mid West, Mid West to Central States and then have: Mid West: Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Ohio. Central States: Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri. For gaming purposes I may move the Dakotas to the Great Lakes in Rising Storms (even though they aren't the lakes) just because it doesn't really make sense for them to be grouped with Kansas and Missouri. Edit: In fact, I'm adjusting my map suggestion based on that. The problem then is that Kansas and Missouri would almost make just as much sense to be in the "Mid South" region at that point. You could put the Dakotas in the North West, and Illinois, Wisconsin, Minny Indiana, Michigan, Ohio in Mid-West and do away with the Great Lakes entirely. Another option is to put Ohio in the Mid-Atlantic, the Dakotas in the North West, and the others in Mid-West. I would be a proponent of sub-regions. Because as a guy in Illinois, I wouldn't say I live in a Great Lakes state, I'd say I'm in the Midwest, but I do understand the placement of IL in the Great Lakes region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well I think it makes sense to setup the US based on the historical wrestling territory system yes? Kansas and Missouri were most certainly not part of the Mid South and were run by St. Louis and Kansas City which were sister companies. Culturally Nebraska and Iowa make sense to be aligned with them. You could certainly put Ohio in the Mid-Atlantic. It doesn't make sense "name wise" but it does with how the wrestling territories were treated. JCP ran Ohio shows quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Hawaii: Hawaii obviously North West: Washington, Oregon, Idaho South West: California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico Mid South: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi Mid West: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, The Dakotas, Ohio South East: Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Florida Mid Atlantic: South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware Tri State: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Delaware New England: Same as it is listed Central States: Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska That's how I would probably lay out the game as it is currently programed, but if I could change it for the next game I would turn Texas into it's own territory. In the suggestion thread I laid out a sub region system that I think would work perfectly with the above layout. (Note, it has Puerto Rico no longer as part of the US) For most regions you would have states as the sub territories with the exceptions of Central States having a St. Louis and Kansas City sub territory and Texas being broken down into San Antonio, Dallas, Houston and Amarillo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarmonyOfDissonance Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I can't argue with that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelz316 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 where does Montana fit? You also have Ohio in two different areas. Delaware should be Mid Atlantic or New England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasRiordan Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The Tri-State region is Pennsylvania, New Jersey and New York. That's exactly how it should be and is correct on the map. Throwing Connecticut in there is not only wrong but makes no sense since that's four states and would be Quad-State. Delaware is Mid Atlantic and Connecticut belongs in New England. I'd agree with the rest though except South Carolina could be considered South East since it's a gateway into the south traveling down the coast. But it also works as Mid Atlantic which are your coastal states south of Pennsylvania and New Jersey. It's a judgment call though it works either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Lookup the tri state area online and every source will include ct. They sfare tv and radio signals, favor the Yankees over the red sox, etc. not to mention that in tew terms, the wwd based in ct has historically run mist shows in ny, pa, ct, nj, with msg being their Mecca. ct is literally part of both, but game mechanic wise tri state makes most sense lm pretty sure mlb even considers ct part of ny media market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlightning Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 So I know this was discussed back in 2010, but the areas assigned to certain regions by TEW just don't make logical sense and should definitely be changed. Real world mods should not be using the TEW locations. Please keep in mind the following things with this discussion: 1) Location file names are just cosmetic ultimately. 2) Adam is not from America and did his best guess, but ultimately is not American So, here was the prior thread http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70230 And here is the map: http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa192/dse81_photo/USAMap.jpg Now, this map is just bogus to the way the regions should be setup in my opinion. Here would be my suggestion: Hawaii: Hawaii obviously North West: Washington, Oregon, Idaho South West: California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico Mid South: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi Great Lakes: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio South East: Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Florida Mid Atlantic: South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware Tri STate: New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut New England: Same as it is listed Mid West: same as it is except it needs to have Kansas in it. Any thoughts on that? Reason why I would be wrong? So according to you Wyoming, Montana and Alaska don't exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC Dale Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 So according to you Wyoming, Montana and Alaska don't exist? I have to agree here. Why are we excluding some states? Sometimes change is good, but, leaving out three states are a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallbanger Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 So according to you Wyoming, Montana and Alaska don't exist? I have to agree here. Why are we excluding some states? Sometimes change is good, but, leaving out three states are a bad idea. Let's not overreact, please. I'm not sure which historical companies ran shows there, but I think it's safe to presume they didn't get many visits. They are in North West now, and there really isn't a need to change that from a gameplay standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franticloser Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I think an argument can be made to make Texas part of three places, wrestling wise, you had three companies running Texas. You had WCCW and CWF(in joint efforts)running east Texas, you had Mid-South running the handle region, then you had the Funks in the western part, and their territory ran, New Mexico, Utah, and Colorado. So with that bit of history, I would say, the western half put in the SW, the Handle put in Mid-South, and the east halve in the SE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smwilliams Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I think the regions should reflect the population/demographics of said area: So... New England - Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Mass., Rhode Island, Conn. Tri State - NY, NJ, Penn. Mid Atlantic - Maryland, Delaware, DC, Virginia, N. Carolina South East - South Carolina, Georgia, Florida Mid South - Kentucky, Tenn., Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas Great Lakes - Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin Mid West - Minn., N. Dakota, S. Dakota, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska South West - Louisiana, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico North West - Wyoming, Colorado, Idaho, Oregon, Montana, Washington, Utah Pacific - California, Nevada, Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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