vtechguy Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well....do YOU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yes. Counter-question: Do you believe in life after love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtechguy Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yes. Counter-question: Do you believe in life after love? Counter-Counter-Question: Who is the love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Counter-Counter-Question: Who is the love? Counter-counter-counter-question: What is love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayden Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yes. Counter-question: Do you believe in life after love? I can feel something inside me say I really don't think you're strong enough no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giel M Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Counter-counter-counter-question: What is love? Baby don't hurt me! Counter-question: What time is love? For a serious answer: No, I don't believe in heels and faces IRL. I do find them useful in booking when playing this computer game though. In the rather "old-school" style I usually book in, they're more-or-less essential. But even if I try to book something more modern, the TCW "select competitor" screen just CONFUSES me every time I click heel/face buttons by instinct when I've set up to have no heel/face divides. So I usually just leave it there. And eat the momentum loss when I want to turn someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceisle Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Pretty vague question. To put the same amount of effort into my answer: Depends on the product and how I book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheZies Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well....do YOU? in the sense of good vs evil? not anymore. in the sense of organizing 50 people on a roster. yes. very much yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effigies Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Don't you mean Where's the Love? Yes, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 It depends on what you're doing If you want to tell stories it's almost a necessity to have sides of good and evil It's not necessary if you present it as a sport but can get a bit dull especially if you lack dynamic personalities that will eventually lean one way or the other (see combat sports) In the end the alignments are only as static as you allow them to be and only having people fight of the opposite alignment can hinder the numerous possibilities for storytelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Wolf Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Even in companies that push wrestling as a more legit athletic contest you still have to some degree heels and faces. The battle of good versus evil even if its just the guy who is humble versus the guy who's a dick resonates with pretty much everyone. In places like WWE that's how guys like Cena keep on top, it may annoy 20 somethings who prefer an anti-hero but kids eat up the true than true good guy making right what is wrong with the world. Even some of the best feuds in RoH were good vs evil (Raven vs Punk comes to mind) even if the wrestling itself was a central part of the story and not hours of backstage character development. We've been working a lot with guys from New Japan and Noah (Watanabe, Okimura and Super Crazy and to a lesser extend MAtt Striker when he and Crazy had our titles when they tagged in Noah's big tournament) and even in Japan guys work heel if quite a bit more subtly than even in RoH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Even in companies that push wrestling as a more legit athletic contest you still have to some degree heels and faces. The battle of good versus evil even if its just the guy who is humble versus the guy who's a dick resonates with pretty much everyone. In places like WWE that's how guys like Cena keep on top, it may annoy 20 somethings who prefer an anti-hero but kids eat up the true than true good guy making right what is wrong with the world. Even some of the best feuds in RoH were good vs evil (Raven vs Punk comes to mind) even if the wrestling itself was a central part of the story and not hours of backstage character development. We've been working a lot with guys from New Japan and Noah (Watanabe, Okimura and Super Crazy and to a lesser extend MAtt Striker when he and Crazy had our titles when they tagged in Noah's big tournament) and even in Japan guys work heel if quite a bit more subtly than even in RoH. Second this. It's wrestling... it's been like that for 100 years why would anyone think differently now? To elaborate just a little on what Apupunchau@optonline said. It's just a split between like-able characters and unlike-able characters normally, but it can be a giant vs midget, tough guy vs nice guy, native vs foreign, black hat vs white hat, cowboys vs Indians, gladiators vs slaves, and even Anti-hero (good guy in watcher's eyes) vs Hero (bad guy in watcher's eyes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 irl, yes you need faces and heels. in TEW, hell no. It severely limits the match-ups you can have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Wolf Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 irl, yes you need faces and heels. in TEW, hell no. It severely limits the match-ups you can have. IN TEW no face heel divide doesn't mean that people can't work face or heel. Sammy the Shark works my fed in an arrogant heel gimmick but II have no face heel divide, he;s still a heel. It just means that people don't care if face fight faces or heels fight heels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franticloser Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Ask any wrestler worth their salt what wrestling boils down to, and why people watch it. Good guys vs Bad guys Even in legit fighting(UFC) you have guys who are heels and faces, whether that is just their natural self, or if the promotion chooses to market them that way, is another question all together. Look at for example Chuck Liddell or GSP, guys people love. Then you have your Tito Ortiz and Anderson Silva, due to their attitudes, they had a lot of people wanting to see them get theirs. In wrestling as in life you have good guys and bad guys, and the stories built around that, are what people relate to. I look at the no divide style as something akin to booking a faux shoot company, basically guys just "being themselves" and letting the fans decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttj0001 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I do believe in Heels and Faces. Any good storyline has a reason for fighting behind it, and good vs evil is as good as any and what most things eventually boil down to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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