smartman Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Okay, there's lots of questions I have which is why this isn't going in the SQ thread. I liked Idol's 2004 mod so much that I decided to start an RTG game with it, but not just a routine one as one thing that struck me was the sheer number of pretty good female wrestlers in it. However, to get started, I set it up like the old Babes of Sin City CV fed was with slight tweaks (namely so I was quite favorable for sponsorship). So, all the matches are Eye Candy-based as are all angles Sex Appeal-based. This was to catapult me out of Local into Small ASAP as the shows are running low-50's-to-low-60's giving me the 0.9 pop gain. However, there has been a side-effect that is concerning me. The pop gains some of my wrestlers have had are astronomical. Granted, my face champion is Traci Brooks (up from 22 to mid-40's just in MS) who is still with TNA so some of her pop gains are from their weekly PPV's, but I have several that started with nothing or a couple of points in the Mid South region that are in the mid-to-high 20's. I'm in October 2004 btw, so that's 9 shows. At the rate I'm going, I'm afraid that I won't be able to re-sign many of them as I can do the math and know I won't be at Regional when the 3 year contracts come up. My other big decision is when do I switch over to regular matches? I'm set as a pop>perf fed (more about that below). I have plenty of options as far as psych is required, but the top row skills aren't super (almost no 40's at all with most in the high-20's/low-30's) on most of the women out there so anything more than an equal fed scares me (Am I right on that?). I know there is a definite ceiling on that style of fed so I have to change at some point, probably as a hybrid. Okay, a few more questions. 1. I have run only 1 match rated at High Risk, and I got a dirt sheet note for that which didn't make sense to me as my Risque is set to High. Not to mention that I don't have that warning in my product description (Won't like High Risk matches). Is that just something you get in general? 2. I played with my fed settings and ran one show as much more pop>perf, and everything ran about 10 points lower than it does with my regular settings. So what's the best settings to use for a BSC-style fed? Basically, which fed type (talking about pop vs perf) utilizes the Sex Appeal stat the best? It's confusing because WWE is running 2 women angles and getting mid-80's out of them when their pop tops out at low 70's so is that just the AI "cheating"? That was the whole reason I switched for one show as I thought it would be better. 3. This is just an RTG question, but am I doomed when my wrestler didn't start on the NBT list? The first time it did, but then I lowered a lot of stats some to get to the 750 (plus I cheated by exempting Sex Appeal stat as I think that's fair as it's totally unnecessary for the males) for this one. I may be doomed anyway by picking a female, but I wanted to try something different. I will think of a few more I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tambourin81 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 <p>Eye Candy based matches substitute top row skill ratings with Sex Appeal, so they will <em>probably </em>rate better if your product is weighted towards performance (since your roster's Sex Appeal stats are likely to be much, much higher than their Popularity).</p><p> </p><p> That said, I'm not sure if the game actually allows you to run entire shows with only eye candy based matches, or whether there are penalties involved. (You probably aren't going to be running <em>long </em>matches, since I know those <em>do </em>get penalties when they are rated on eye candy or entertainment.)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="tambourin81" data-cite="tambourin81" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="39671" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Eye Candy based matches substitute top row skill ratings with Sex Appeal, so they will <em>probably </em>rate better if your product is weighted towards performance (since your roster's Sex Appeal stats are likely to be much, much higher than their Popularity).<p> </p><p> That said, I'm not sure if the game actually allows you to run entire shows with only eye candy based matches, or whether there are penalties involved. (You probably aren't going to be running <em>long </em>matches, since I know those <em>do </em>get penalties when they are rated on eye candy or entertainment.)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The game absolutely lets you run an entire show with nothing but Eye Candy matches. That's what I've been doing. The only catch is that Eye Candy matches cap out at 8 minutes long so you have to set your match lengths accordingly (6/7/8). The only thing about running a performance-based fed I see are gimmicks. Well, the sponsorship money too as that gets dinged heavily. But I don't see a way to toggle the settings where you can have gimmicks running that also are super-difficult to get passable ratings on. There are usually 3 or 4 restrictions on gimmicks which I'm pretty sure would hit almost all of my current gimmicks. So, I could try it when they're ready to be switched. Not sure about it if I switched away from doing Eye Candy matches though as those top row skills aren't super.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Performance eye candy is definitely possible....Think of the game Rumble Roses. There is no real life equivalent but this game would nail that product. Can you put a screenshot of your current product up and I could tweak on my end to make it performance and still be favorable for sponsorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 <p>Okay, first I came up with two more questions.</p><p> </p><p> 1. One thing I forgot to mention in my original post is that once I hit the Regional War era, granted after lots and lots of Fed attrition there aren't that many that should hit the Mid South, I'm looking at mid-50's being pretty much the min. to not get slaughtered. Thank God that MLW died off because they were getting C+ shows all across the US.</p><p> </p><p> 2. Would Comedy help those Eye Candy matches? That's the one change I made from BSC as I have Comedy set to none. I'm guessing not, but I am curious if Comedy matters at all if you aren't doing Comedy matches or gimmicks.</p><p> </p><p> Okay, here are my Fed settings as of right now, and if K-Nection can get me anything more than just Favorable sponsorship, that would be awesome.</p><p> </p><p> Key Feature--Traditional & Mainstream</p><p> Heavy--Risque</p><p> Medium--Modern (this keeps it pop>perf instead of much pop>perf)</p><p> Low--Cult/Realism/Lucha/Daredevil (most of this is left from importing AWW from the Thunderverse mod)</p><p> Very Low--Hardcore</p><p> None--Comedy/Hyper Realism/Pure</p><p> </p><p> The best I could come up with was an Equal fed that was only Favorable sponsorship. Oh btw, the economy and industry are 50/52 respectively and falling so I need all the money I can get.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 <p>Equal might be the best you can come up with using a heavy risque product and still have quite favorable sponsorship.</p><p> </p><p> Here is my settings</p><p> </p><p> Key=Traditional,Mainstream,Comedy,Modern,Lucha Libre</p><p> Heavy-Risque and Realism</p><p> Medium- Pure</p><p> Low-Cult,Hyper Realism,</p><p> Very Low-Daredevil</p><p> None-Hardcore</p><p> </p><p> I've tweaked for about an hour and come to the conclusion that Risque does 2 things that you are trying to get away from. That is raise pop and lower sponsorship money. This is going to be the closest cocktail you can come up with and you will make more sponsorship money.</p><p> </p><p> Here is things I noticed making tweaks....</p><p> Traditional raises sponsorship</p><p> Mainstream raises pop drastically and sponsorship drastically</p><p> Comedy raises pop and sponsorship</p><p> Risque raises pop drastically and lowers sponsorship drastically</p><p> Realism raises performance but lowers sponsorship</p><p> Hyper Realism raise performance but drastically lowers sponsorship</p><p> Hardcore raises pop but drastically lowers sponsorship</p><p> Cult raises pop but slightly drops sponsorship</p><p> Daredevil raises pop but drastically lowers sponsorship</p><p> Pure raises performance and slightly drops sponsorship</p><p> Lucha Libre slightly raises pop but raises sponsorship as well</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> They have many other effects then this but just when we are solely talking sponsorship and pop vs. performance here are the product effects.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share Posted May 25, 2015 <p>Thanks for working on this though an hour is a bit much. I hope you learned something for your own benefit as that's way more than I want anyone spending to help me.</p><p> </p><p> Yeah, Risque does shoot up to much more pop, but it kinda needs to be there as I'm never going to go straight wrestling fed. Looking this over, there's just two negatives I see. First, the match danger shoots up to 70%, which considering I've got some of my better wrestlers with 60 or less safety could be a GLOW-level hideous injury every show. Second, the gimmicks go to crap which is what I figured as Realism and Pure are the two biggest types for performance feds but also the two most anti-gimmick (well Hvy Realism but no one uses that) types.</p><p> </p><p> I do wonder though which matters more to Sex Appeal-based angles and matches, the fed's T&A level or the Risque level?</p><p> </p><p> I'm beginning to think that the best I can ever do is to keep doing what I'm doing until I race them up to the 60's in pop, then shift to a much more pop fed when I switch a lot of the matches to regular ones. Hell, Lacey (not the Von Erich one, the other one) was given the top title, shot to the low 40's in the home region, and is now producing very high 60's Main Events for me with the last one doing pulling a 70 despite a low backstage morale hit (running a brand split at Small is next to impossible as the backstage doesn't work). She's only got an 81 SA rating too. That's making me reconsider the ceiling on what the Eye Candy matches are.</p><p> </p><p> I went ahead and hired Awesome Kong, and her matches are all going to be regular for obvious reasons. Her first match with probably 2 pop (from a menace angle) vs my RTG character with 8 pop still pulled a 21. An entertainment vs entertainment angle between Allison Danger and Trinity pulled a 69 which shocked me. Interesting game this is turning into.</p><p> </p><p> Thanks again for the help.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: Hmmm...okay, I fiddled with it a little based on your info. This leads to a question that needs answering. How much does the Realism @ Medium's "Will attract fans who won't be keen on gimmicks" hurt your gimmick ratings? Because I think I found one that could possibly work that is a little better than what you suggested.</p><p> </p><p> Key-Traditional & Lucha Libre</p><p> Heavy-Risque & Mainstream</p><p> Medium- Modern & Realism</p><p> Low-Cult & Comedy</p><p> Very Low-Daredevil & Hardcore</p><p> None-Pure & Heavy Realism</p><p> </p><p> That gives me an Equal fed with a 40/40 Intensity/Danger (up from 20/40), allows me to keep using one-dimensional gimmicks (only difference between Medium and Heavy Mainstream), only gimmick change is that above note, and I keep the Quite Favorable sponsorship level (oddly it goes straight from favorable to quite with nothing in between). Kind of curious what the big jump in Lucha would do too.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 <p>When I was drawing up your product I was looking at solely Performance and Sponsorship. I knew that would be a hard fed to run but I find that these types of feds if you can pull money from them work really well in the local to cult.</p><p> </p><p> Honestly the less things you have ticked in Key and Heavy the better because you won't be catering to such a picky fan base. I love the tag does not be rocked by industry changes. I'm currently running Medium Realism in a performance fed right now and can still debut with some 80 to 90 gimmicks. Just make sure your subtlety number is not above 45 when choosing gimmicks for your debuting workers and you should be fine. I'm not positive but I think not to keen on gimmicks is referring to gimmicky gimmicks but not positive on that one.</p><p> </p><p> You get to cult I would push back to pop > then performance. You would see a ton more sponsorship money roll in and you do not have to worry about getting poached when your workers get very over because you can sign them to deals.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 <p>Ah, okay, well that's great because I never, ever, ever use Gimmicky or Comedy gimmicks because they tend to be the worst in sucking up pop from the loser of the match outside of the normal polar opposite ones.</p><p> </p><p> The only reason Lucha is at Key is for Sponsorship as anything lower results only in favorable. That also leaves the gimmick notes the same as what they have always been, which is key for this game, but I can use this info for my next game. I'm thinking I'm going to make a backup of my game and change to what I posted just to see what it does. Thanks again for all the info.</p><p> </p><p> P.S. I think once you have Traditional and/or Mainstream at Heavy you can't lose that "not rocked" note. If you go with a goofy/gimmick-heavy fed setup (like Cult/Daredevil/Hardcore), you can run into losing that note, but it is hard to do in my experience.</p><p> </p><p> PPS. I actually thought about upping Cult to Medium as it was kind of fitting, but I have a few low-psych wrestlers they'd boo out of the ring. Once I hit Regional, I'm going to break down and sign about 4 of the best psych people in the game, but man, are they so very expensive. WWE being moronic and gifting me Molly Holly (vs Ivory-old, Jazz-no talent or SA, Jacqueline-old, or Terri-old) adjusted my plans.</p><p> </p><p> Oh I do have one odd question for you. I can sign Ted DiBiase Sr who has 92 Entertainment score, 91 Mic, 94 Charisma, mid-50's pop, and is an excellent Road Agent for $2100/show. Considering I'm clearing $8-9k/month right now with a couple of wrestlers being passable RA (don't think you get any positives, or even negatives for very low experience, running Eye Candy matches from announce desk or ref though they're in the 60's, or even possibly road agents though they're low 70 psych/20-30 respect). I'm thinking he could be the CC, RA, and host a talk show to get people over faster. Is it worth it? I have added a couple of Managers with 20-40 pop to kind of do that for some low-entertainment wrestlers already before I stumbled upon this.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 <p>Well, I ran it with that product change. It definitely boosted the match ratings by about 8 points or so. The odd thing is it seemed to have dinged my angles a little bit. Granted, they were mostly Entertainment/Mic/1 or more Sex Appeal angles instead of straight SA, which scored the same or a couple of points better, but I still thought they'd do better than they did based on that Danger-Trinity Ent.-Only. </p><p> </p><p> 4-way ME jumped to 79 (from the 70 the last one got with the morale penalty) even though the game goofed on who the winner by DQ was. Have no idea what happened and didn't notice it until I'd finished the show so didn't want to re-run the show. Oh well, no one was angry about it. Oh, and the gimmicks were fine, though the 2 new managers' gimmicks only got a 73 and 74 which might have just been bad luck as I run the middle option on them.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 <p>I think Ted has great mic skills and would be great for that role. He could also teach the rest of your locker room how to talk just being in segments with him. If you are clearing that much profit than I say run with him and see what happens.</p><p> </p><p> Just remember to stock up your warchest before you get to cult or you will bleed money very quickly until you reconfigure a good financial model for yourself.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="39671" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ah, okay, well that's great because I never, ever, ever use Gimmicky or Comedy gimmicks because they tend to be the worst in sucking up pop from the loser of the match outside of the normal polar opposite ones.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Are you sure you're doing a 'Babes of Sin City' style promotion? Gimmicky & Comedy are what they do. </p><p> </p><p> I love BSC. Still run similar promotions every so often.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="39671" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Are you sure you're doing a 'Babes of Sin City' style promotion? Gimmicky & Comedy are what they do. <p> </p><p> I love BSC. Still run similar promotions every so often.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I meant BSC as in most of the matches were just Eye Candy. I'd forgotten entirely that they had high comedy until I went back in to check their settings. I just can never wrap my head around "Comedy" in TEW. Every fed I've ever seen has had jokes and funny segments, but I'd never consider that to be a main (meaning Medium+) trait of the fed. Well, maybe GLOW, but that was more just outlandish stuff than funny.</p><p> </p><p> As for money, I could run two shows per month with the brand split if I don't screw the backstage up like I did last time (I assigned everyone down to the openers to a brand which is dumb as they don't care if they're on the show. Same with Managers). That would clear me about $9k as attendance hasn't covered the show cost quite yet. Doing the one show per month route, I'm clearing almost $10k even with the economy and industry failing (low 40's and still falling) so the bank account isn't that big of an issue. </p><p> </p><p> As it's an RTG game, I am torn about rushing it to Regional as the main reason would be to jump to a Cult fed (AAA and CMLL being the prime targets unless WWE wants to screw up again). The bigger issue could become the Owner Goals as I think they're easier/lower stats at Small versus Regional. Getting the wrong stat that requires a 53 could be catastrophic right before I hit the resigning period. Plus, I'm hoping some more TV networks come available because right now there's only one in the Mid-South that I could get on there at Regional (Fox Sports Mid-South). I'm going to keep getting that 0.9 pop gain after each show so I'll get there soon enough either way.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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