infinitywpi Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Okay, let's hear 'em... your most embaressing losses in WriSpi. For me, it'd be Fox Mask losing to Lobster Warrior in 4:00, when lobster fell out on top of an atomic drop and somehow got a three-count. For the AI, it'd have to be the time the Lords of Pain lost to Calamari Kid... in a 2 on 1 handicap match. Who else has something embaressing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardnerFTW Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I lost to someone in 2:00. I don't remember who, but was pure BS, similar to yours. We're both at "High", I go for a bodyslam, he falls on top and gets the 3 count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condors Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I have had that happen for and agaist me a couple times sometimes frustrating when it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spmkillie Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 the same has happened to me too... only it was the first fecking move :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt799 Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I was in a feud and before the match I get a pop up saying the guy I was feuding with ran me over with a car. Then when the match started I had no energy and all my body parts were at almost zero and I got pinned within the first minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bplotkin Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Exhibition match. I was controlling Bruce The Giant against Candy Floss. Bruce goes for a bodyslam first move. Candy falls on top out of it. 1... 2... No way I need to bother using Fighting Spirit to kick out on a woman, right?.... Wrong. 3. One minute. I can crawl back under my desk now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I'll reduce the chance of that happening. It's supposed to be ultra-rare to have a fluke loss like that, but it seems it's happening too much based on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaviooooo Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 [QUOTE=Matt799]I was in a feud and before the match I get a pop up saying the guy I was feuding with ran me over with a car. Then when the match started I had no energy and all my body parts were at almost zero and I got pinned within the first minute.[/QUOTE] LOL :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Wasn't too embarasing, more just frustrating to be honest... against Manchester Fly Boy... I was in Medium and he was in Danger.. I hit 4 finishers and he kicked out of them all.. then falls out on me as I do a Bow and Arrow Lock and gets the 3. Turned the game off at that point and sulked for a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroFalkon Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I've been there, Damian. I just got out of a match where I was completely schooled by a a team that I had decent success with. Normally the matches are pretty even, but this time one guy busted out 24 of 27 moves on me!!! It was practically a handicap match. By the time I tagged out, I was in danger, and he had barely been touched. Only got a C for that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 lol i get those alot... one match will be even and go either way. Next match up, I spend 95% of it trying to avoid, block, counter whatever and the guy hits next to everymove.. anytime i go for a hit, he counters and I end up losing without hitting the guy more than once. What sucks is the guys that this happen with are usually wack as hell, like one stat in 30 and the rest real low. It's one thing that bugs me with the game... you try a billion times to hit a move and don't... so switch characters and it'll still be the same, suddenly your original guy is better. Makes it challenging but sometimes it just gets on ya nerves. Example.. in my real update, Rey Mysterio totally schooled me as Batista, HHH, Kane and Benoit.. barely got a single hit in the whole match. Yet switch the rolls and it stills goes against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spmkillie Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 cant say that happens to me too much damian... does how often the cpu reverses moves etc reflect in their technique stat? if so then 'big men' with all power and nothing else reverse far to much on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I'd have thought Technical reflected most countering ways, minus Break which would be down to power guys. But it seems people with stats like 5, 7 and 30.. can out wrestle somebody with 60, 70 and 80, with real ease. It's pretty randomised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condors Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 if i remember correctly speed helps with avoid, power helps with break there are other factors though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 [QUOTE=Damian]I'd have thought Technical reflected most countering ways, minus Break which would be down to power guys. But it seems people with stats like 5, 7 and 30.. can out wrestle somebody with 60, 70 and 80, with real ease. It's pretty randomised.[/QUOTE] No it is not "randomised", and I've already given in-depth explanations on how it works, one of which you can find with a quick search of this forum. The chance of hitting a move is based on the Frequency, with [I]slight[/I] modifications based upon the stats and conditions of the two wrestlers involved. If you're getting reversed all the time then you are either going for moves with too low of a Frequency, or you're just being unlucky. There is [B]NO[/B] other reasons why you will be out-wrestled by someone with lower stats, it is purely down to basic probability theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitywpi Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 I'm waiting for the With Authority! "Pin Math" arguement to begin here again... ah, the good ol' days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Fair enough, but it just seems a lil against the player... I tried to use a simple Punch about 5 times and hit none... all were countered by moves with fair lower Frequency.. thats all that baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I think you've misunderstood the concept slightly. Your example said a Punch was countered by a move with lower Frequency, so for the sake or argument let's say it was a Snap Suplex. To make it easy, let's say the Punch has 80% Frequency and the Snap Suplex has 50%. The way you've described it makes it sound like: [QUOTE]Player A tries the Punch at 80%, Player B tried the Snap Suplex at 50%, the Snap Suplex "wins" the battle.[/QUOTE] That is not the case. What would actually happen would be: [QUOTE]Player A tries the Punch at 80%. Player A FAILS to execute the move. [I]Control passes to Player B.[/I] Player B tries the Snap Suplex at 50%. Player B EXECUTES the move.[/QUOTE] The key difference that I think you've missed is that the Snap Suplex doesn't even get attempted unless Player A fails first. Therefore you're not being "countered by a move with lower Frequency" in the sense that that is somehow beating your move. What's happening is that you're failing to execute your move first, and then the opponent is succeeding. The reason you've probably not noticed that he is failing his counter more than you is because it wouldn't show on-screen if he missed (although that is fixed in the new patch though, as it will tell you that both missed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroFalkon Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I just had two back-to-back matches where I lost due to moves being countered with "Fall." The first one I assumed I wouldn't lose, so I didn't use fighter spirit. The second I *did* use fighter spirit, but it didn't matter. In both, I lost with my energy High, and theirs in Danger. Is there a bigger chance of a Fall happening when I use a finisher? Both losses came from Finishers getting reversed, and when it comes to games, I tend not to lean toward coincidences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Falling On Top uses the power of the move against the attacker, so someone falling on top of a powerful finisher is more likely to get a pin than if they fall on top from a bodyslam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan10k Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 My rookie got beat by Miss Information. It was unfair, I didn't want to fight a female! I think I underestimated her though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Did your scouting turn out to be inaccurate? Not true? Were ya misinformed? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 At least most dissapointing. I´ve come back to America after 18 months in Japan. Battle against Jack Gyderoic. I´ve dominated all the combat. I´ve tried at least 20 finishers, but just in one he used WS. The first finisher he uses and i´m out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdJames Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Had someone in danger without gtting hit once, I climbed the top rope for my special, missed it and he pinned me for 3!!! I hadn't had ANY damage before that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 [QUOTE=EdJames]Had someone in danger without gtting hit once, I climbed the top rope for my special, missed it and he pinned me for 3!!! I hadn't had ANY damage before that![/QUOTE] Hate when that happens.. I lost my tag titles doing that.... should be an option for the partner to break the pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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