The C-Verse Rerender Project: 3rd Strike

[shipshirt]

<p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><p>

Belle Bryden</p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg</span></a></p><p> </p><p>

Raven Nightfall</p><p>

<a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Raven%20Nightfall_zpsch4hrdv2.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Raven%20Nightfall_zpsch4hrdv2.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p>

[KnowYourEnemy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><div style="text-align:center;"><p> Belle Bryden</p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg</span></a></p><p> </p><p> Raven Nightfall</p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Raven%20Nightfall_zpsch4hrdv2.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Raven%20Nightfall_zpsch4hrdv2.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Honestly, these might be your best yet -- and I'll admit sometimes I feel your female renders can be a bit hit-or-miss. </p><p> </p><p> That Raven Nightfall render is breathtaking.</p>

[Wheelz316]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><div style="text-align:center;"><p> Belle Bryden</p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg</span></a></p><p> </p><p> Raven Nightfall</p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Raven%20Nightfall_zpsch4hrdv2.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Raven%20Nightfall_zpsch4hrdv2.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That Raven Nightfall is awesome!</p>

[Guest Asaemon]

The Chaos Demons

 

The Chaos Demons

 

 

 

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/TEW%20Alts/Chaos%20Demon.jpg

Chaos Demon I

 

 

 

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/TEW%20Alts/Chaos%20Demon%20II.jpg

Chaos Demon II

[Blackman]

Any word on an update of the resource page? I'll soon start a game (finally) so I can fully update the old renders into new ones I like. Lots of nice M7 render updates - I believe the regular renders are M3? - which has a lot more potential. Sadly it's hard to completely convert the spirit of the old ones to the new. Belle Bryden for example: the render looks good, but I'm not going to use it (though I really dig your male renders). That being said: I tried updating her myself (took me longer than expected) and I still think I'll just stick with the old render. It's easier to replace the people you haven't "worked with" in the game.

[TC Dale]

I usually find that any new render created, whether I use the character, or import it into a new debuting character, is always welcome in my book, because I understand that the time for people to create these isn't always unlimited, and I can rename them as needed.

 

Totally enjoy all these posted.. I look forward to seeing what is here daily. Thanks again everyone for all your hard work.

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Any word on an update of the resource page? I'll soon start a game (finally) so I can fully update the old renders into new ones I like. Lots of nice M7 render updates - I believe the regular renders are M3? - which has a lot more potential. Sadly it's hard to completely convert the spirit of the old ones to the new. Belle Bryden for example: the render looks good, but I'm not going to use it (though I really dig your male renders). That being said: I tried updating her myself (took me longer than expected) and I still think I'll just stick with the old render. It's easier to replace the people you haven't "worked with" in the game. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't really understand your post.</p><p> </p><p> Belle was made with G2 Female and Raven was with Victoria 4. The majority of my male renders are M4 because I find that to be the most versatile and there to be the most product for.</p><p> </p><p> No one is telling you that you have to use a re-render for a character. I, and I'm sure the others, do this because we enjoy it and we just share the results.</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't really understand your post.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As TC Dale indicates, all renders are welcomed. I'm just saying it's hard, kind of what KnowYourEnemy says: it's a hit-and-miss thing. For instance, the Alicia Strong render seems like a great fit (to me). But Belle Bryden's face deviates too much from the original to qualify as a rerender (imho). Just giving some constructive feedback here, given you've contributed a lot of great rerenders in the recent past that I'm using. It just seems like a missed opportunity.</p><p> </p><p> MV4 are still the dominant figures and are a huge leap from MV3 imo. Bigger than G3 is compared to G1 (or V4) imo. That also explains the hesitance of the community to produce for them.</p>

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As TC Dale indicates, all renders are welcomed. I'm just saying it's hard, kind of what KnowYourEnemy says: it's a hit-and-miss thing. For instance, the Alicia Strong render seems like a great fit (to me). But Belle Bryden's face deviates too much from the original to qualify as a rerender (imho). Just giving some constructive feedback here, given you've contributed a lot of great rerenders in the recent past that I'm using. It just seems like a missed opportunity.<p> </p><p> MV4 are still the dominant figures and are a huge leap from MV3 imo. Bigger than G3 is compared to G1 (or V4) imo. That also explains the hesitance of the community to produce for them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> A missed opportunity for who? That implies that you somehow have knowledge that I don't possess and that I'm working to please you. It also implies that somehow this is the only chance at a Belle Bryden render. Create your own, then, then you can have her exactly as you see her.</p><p> </p><p> These aren't "official" renders and don't change anything in anyone's game. Going by the fact that she's 40 in the game I thought this render was very appropriate to what an attractive 40 year old women's wrestler might look like. If you don't want to use it, don't. I don't really care if you do or if you don't but I don't understand why some people feel the need to make weird comments "usually your's are hit or miss" or "I'm not a fan of, normally...".</p><p> </p><p> I've been a stand-up comic and actor for over 20 years so I'm not adverse to judgment or whatever. I deal with it on a daily basis but I never understood the need to point out when you don't like something that someone is donating to the group. If I see a render I don't particularly like, I do something revolutionary...I scroll past it and don't save it! And when I see ones I like, even if I'm not going to use it, I try to make a positive comment to the renderer because I know what goes into producing these for free. (and people never seem to bring up the fact that you have actually buy stuff to make decent renders too).</p><p> </p><p> There's a way to deliver "constructive criticism" but some of you guys need to develop a little more social skills as it comes off entitled.</p>

[KnowYourEnemy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A missed opportunity for who? That implies that you somehow have knowledge that I don't possess and that I'm working to please you. It also implies that somehow this is the only chance at a Belle Bryden render. Create your own, then, then you can have her exactly as you see her.<p> </p><p> These aren't "official" renders and don't change anything in anyone's game. Going by the fact that she's 40 in the game I thought this render was very appropriate to what an attractive 40 year old women's wrestler might look like. If you don't want to use it, don't. I don't really care if you do or if you don't but I don't understand why some people feel the need to make weird comments "usually your's are hit or miss" or "I'm not a fan of, normally...".</p><p> </p><p> I've been a stand-up comic and actor for over 20 years so I'm not adverse to judgment or whatever. I deal with it on a daily basis but I never understood the need to point out when you don't like something that someone is donating to the group. If I see a render I don't particularly like, I do something revolutionary...I scroll past it and don't save it! And when I see ones I like, even if I'm not going to use it, I try to make a positive comment to the renderer because I know what goes into producing these for free. (and people never seem to bring up the fact that you have actually buy stuff to make decent renders too).</p><p> </p><p> There's a way to deliver "constructive criticism" but some of you guys need to develop a little more social skills as it comes off entitled.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Please do not take this the wrong way. </p><p> </p><p> I love you as a renderer and I think your work is often peerless. I use your renders almost exclusively in my diary work <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=2154184&postcount=4" rel="external nofollow">with a few exceptions</a>. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> However, I disagree with your sentiments here. I think criticism, on some level, is important, and is my way to show appreciation to you. I am personally invested in your work because I understand the time and skill that goes into it. I do not believe what Blackman wrote falls outside the constructive criticism umbrella.</p><p> </p><p> A lot of this is subjective. For example, I really enjoyed a certain female renderer's work <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2018912&postcount=1091" rel="external nofollow">though it received considerable criticism due to its lack of realism</a>, and <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=2051419&postcount=16" rel="external nofollow">I often incorporated into my own work</a>. I wasn't very active when these were posted or I would have provided both praise and constructive criticism. </p><p> </p><p> I completely disagree with Blackman on your recent renders. For example, I thought your recent Belle Bryden employed terrific blending.</p><p> <span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg</span></p><p> I feel your recent Alicia Strong render can be improved by employing the above blending approach.</p><p> <span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Alicia%20Strong_zpszrxb2cam.jpg</span></p><p> I don't know how easy this is to implement, but I feel some criticism is important, and it shows I appreciate your work. I personally feel worse when individuals only praise work instead of offering criticism to improve it. I take <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=2154184&postcount=4" rel="external nofollow">moderate critique as a complement</a>.</p><p> </p><p> I believe criticism allows individuals to access and improve work. I can't speak for the render community, but many individuals in the diary writing community want to eventually pursue writing professionally in some capacity-- and <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=2044986&postcount=226" rel="external nofollow">there is precedent</a> for <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=2065394&postcount=865" rel="external nofollow">individuals achieving this</a>. TEW has an active and thriving community due to the incredible quality of the work, and the active investment in the users. This is unique in the online gaming community. </p><p> </p><p> I love your work, and I've stated before you are my favorite renderer on this board, and my enjoyment of TEW would be considerably dampened if you stopped making renders. Criticism is my way to show appreciation to you.</p>

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> However, I disagree with your sentiments here. I think criticism, on some level, is important, and is my way to show appreciation to you. I am personally invested in your work because I understand the time and skill that goes into it. I do not believe what Blackman wrote falls outside the constructive criticism umbrella.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then I believe you misread my post. I never said I had a problem being critiqued. Saying "usually you are hit or miss but I like this one" isn't really constructive criticism, though, is it? </p><p> </p><p> Why is it that I should be OK with being criticized but then when I critique how a post was written and came across, that is somehow wrong? Seems a little one sided.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For example, I thought your recent Belle Bryden employed terrific blending.<p> <span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Belle%20Bryden_zpsvs2ok4j4.jpg</span></p><p> I feel your recent Alicia Strong render can be improved by employing the above blending approach.</p><p> <span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Alicia%20Strong_zpszrxb2cam.jpg</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They are two different figures and have different skin mats. I don't like to use the same skin mats all the time even when I'm using a same model but in this case it's two different ones. Not sure what you mean by "blending" but these are done using Omnifreaker's Shader and a custom lighting preset. I use the same shader and lighting preset 99% of the time because I like how they come out. But this is what I'm talking about, "oh you liked the texture on this one better and what did you like about that as opposed to this"...etc That kind of comment is helpful and not rude.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I believe criticism allows individuals to access and improve work. I can't speak for the render community, but many individuals in the diary writing community want to eventually pursue writing professionally in some capacity-- and <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=2044986&postcount=226" rel="external nofollow">there is precedent</a> for <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=2065394&postcount=865" rel="external nofollow">individuals achieving this</a>. TEW has an active and thriving community due to the incredible quality of the work, and the active investment in the users. This is unique in the online gaming community.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm already working professionally in entertainment. I just do this simply as a hobby in my spare time because I love pro wrestling and the Cornellverse and was enjoying rendering and being a part of the community. I've been on the forums since 2005 back when I started a MAW diary and most times it's enjoyable.</p>

[KnowYourEnemy]

<p>I've worked with you here in the past and will say you are one of the most enjoyable people to work with on the message board. I am sorry if my term offended you or was over the line. Blackman was quoting me. </p><p> </p><p>

I didn't mean to imply that your effort wasn't appreciated. You are an extraordinary renderer, and a friend. </p><p> </p><p>

I'll be the first to admit my social skills are below par, and I do what I can to improve and address others. It's a bit of an uphill battle for me, but I try to be polite and cordial.</p>

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've worked with you here in the past and will say you are one of the most enjoyable people to work with on the message board. I am sorry if my term offended you or was over the line. Blackman was quoting me. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's just like bringing a cookies you made to a party and someone saying "the cakes you usually make suck but these are OK" haha </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I didn't mean to imply that your effort wasn't appreciated. You are an extraordinary renderer, and a friend. <p> </p><p> I'll be the first to admit my social skills are below par, and I do what I can to improve and address others. It's a bit of an uphill battle for me, but I try to be polite and cordial.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We're good, I said how I felt. I think it was very cool of you to even take the time to reach out and write that. I appreciate that.</p>

[Blackman]

<p>Curious as to how you perceive me saying "I love your renders and use them" as rude. I'm not really a guy that feels entitled to anything. I gave you specific feedback and you are free to ignore it (and given your response you probably didnt fully read my post). As mentioned, exclusive positive feedback won't help you in the long run. I mention regularly how much i appreciate all contributors.</p><p> </p><p>

Maybe you're exra sensitive to negativity and I apologize that my post contained some. But let's not blow this up any further. Ill edit it to "great job. Please continue" if it makes you feel any better. It would also demonstrate amazing social skills.</p><p> </p><p>

In the future ill refrain from saying what i will and will not use and why. Maybe its not really helping anyone.</p>

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Curious as to how you perceive me saying "I love your renders and use them" as rude. I'm not really a guy that feels entitled to anything. I gave you specific feedback and you are free to ignore it (and given your response you probably didnt fully read my post). As mentioned, exclusive positive feedback won't help you in the long run. I mention regularly how much i appreciate all contributors.<p> </p><p> Maybe you're exra sensitive to negativity and I apologize that my post contained some. But let's not blow this up any further. Ill edit it to "great job. Please continue" if it makes you feel any better. It would also demonstrate amazing social skills.</p><p> </p><p> In the future ill refrain from saying what i will and will not use and why. Maybe its not really helping anyone.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I read your full post. Both of them. Three including this one. If all you got from your posts was that you said "I love your renders and use them" and I'm just very sensitive to critiques then you haven't seen anything else I've done and I think you might be the one that didn't read them. I'm done and don't want to derail this thread any further than I already have. If you want to continue this, feel free to message me privately.</p><p> </p><p> To the people that post here, I apologize for my ranting post. If there's a moderator, please feel free to delete it and the resulting as it's not really contributing to anything. Sorry everyone, have a great rest of the week.</p>

[sockpuppet]

I love your renders Ship. I feel that the exaggerated cartoonish features of many of your males really fits a particular sort of character that I like to push, especially when I'm using my custom fed (Four Color Wrestling).

 

That being said, I love JSilver's graphic novel style of work and most of my library is filled with his renders.

 

I tend to render in a more realistic style and get a lot of criticism for basing many of my renders on real life workers (If I wanted my C-Verse to be filled with real life workers, I'd just play a real life mod). I think it's very good for the community that we have a wide variety of styles to choose from in the re-render thread. It keeps people interested, rejuvenates a lot of folks interest in playing C-Verse rather than real world mods (not that there's anything wrong with RL mods) and gets folks to hire and push workers they normally wouldn't just because they like the new render.

 

More importantly, it allows for shameless attention whores like myself to say, "Look wot I did!"

 

tl;dr Keep on doing what you're doing, good brother!

[Stennick]

<p>Shipshirt himself has said he doesn't want to continue it so I won't say what I was going to say. I will say that for my money there is very little "improving" and "getting better" that Shipshirt can do. My game looks like Shipshirt designed the renders. If he's made a render chances are its the render I use.I think it would be one thing to "help somebody get better" if they were producing clearly low level work that didn't result in a lot of time or effort and it was someone who had the experience to help them get better. But Shipshirts renders are constantly among the highest of qualities. </p><p> </p><p>

I also think everyone should use their comments more wisley maybe. Whether its talk of broken mods or "getting better at making renders" when its a high quality job like Shipshirt I think it makes people not want to do this.</p><p> </p><p>

I'm all for "hey awesome render but the hair doesn't look right to me" but I'm not all for "if I don't help you how will you get better". I'm all for "hey awesome mod but man I can't get Steiner's psych to pull up where it needs to be in the coming years" Im' not all for "your mod is broken and horrible". </p><p> </p><p>

TL;DR lets all choose our words carefully when talking about people that poor hours of their FREE time into this game to give you a better experience FOR FREE...</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But Shipshirts renders are constantly among the highest of qualities. <p> </p><p> I'm not all for "if I don't help you how will you get better".</p><p> Im' not all for "your mod is broken and horrible". </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Does anybody deny this? Please show me a post of anyone here that doesn't agree. I reread my posts and analysed them on tone, and I still think the positive outweighs the negative.</p><p> </p><p> I've been on these forums for years and not once have I encountered said remarks. I put enough kind words in my posts to help with their interpretation. If people still get it wrong, it's not my problem and stems from their own insecurities. Maybe the subtleties of English grammar aren't known to me as it's my 3rd language, but don't expect an apology for "weird" constructions. Maybe I don't visit this thread enough to say "great job man, i love these". In other games, I find that modders also shy away from the slightest hint of criticism sometimes. Maybe the hobbyist just doesn't care much about improving? I've been told several times my rerenders were off, but I reanalyse them and don't go telling people they have a "lack of social skills". </p><p> </p><p> And it would be laughable if any of us would have the intention to "help people get better" if we aren't more knowledgable on the matter.</p><p> </p><p> All I said was I thought one render deviated from the original IMO. It wasn't even about ship's renders in general and a sidenote of a post with a different intention. I just picked one of his to demonstrate. My 'disappointment' is only because I had such high expectations based on his previous material. If anything, I'd see that as a(nother) compliment. He's free to say: "If you don't like it, GFTO", but I'd feel bad not mentioning it. </p><p> </p><p> But enough said. Way to blow up such a minor thing.</p>

[TC Dale]

Getting back to rerenders just about now would be really great. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I've been on these forums for years and not once have I encountered said remarks. I put enough kind words in my posts to help with their interpretation. If people still get it wrong, it's not my problem and stems from their own insecurities. Maybe the subtleties of English grammar aren't known to me as it's my 3rd language, but don't expect an apology for "weird" constructions. Maybe I don't visit this thread enough to say "great job man, i love these". In other games, I find that modders also shy away from the slightest hint of criticism sometimes. Maybe the hobbyist just doesn't care much about improving? I've been told several times my rerenders were off, but I reanalyse them and don't go telling people they have a "lack of social skills". </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Blackman, you keep harping on the "can't take any criticism" but that's not true and not fair at all. Look through this very thread and see that I can take it very well and with good humor when it's presented in that manner. To say that I don't care about improving is just flat out wrong as I continually ask the people I respect like Jtlant and London just to name two, for advice on stuff. It's about how it was delivered. The tone of the post was coming off smug and entitled and I'm not the only one that thought that. That can very well be just a language issue as you mentioned. I didn't find anything constructive in your posts. You just said you couldn't consider something a re-render because it didn't look enough like the original for you and you couldn't use it. That's not really constructive criticism. "do it better or make it look like her more" doesn't really help anyone. It's just personal opinion. Constructive criticism is more along the lines of what KnowYourEnemy wrote in his post or when Stennick told me that an Honest Frank render didn't give off the sleazy conman vibe and I retooled it. I've been a standup comic and actor for 20 years. Come over to Boston and do a standup show after they turned off the Bruins playoff game in the bar to start the show and then talk to me about not being able to take negativity and criticism haha </p><p> </p><p> For example you wrote "it's a missed opportunity" which is really condescending and comes off like you're somehow my boss. Again, could be a language thing. How is it a missed opportunity? I'm not the only person who renders and I don't do women a lot anyway, someone else will and probably has done a render of her that might be more to your liking. Or, like you said, there's always the original. Had you just come to me and told me what you would like to see in a Belle render, I could have tried to do something with it instead of being ticked off initially. Like Stennick mentioned, when you're spending a few hours creating stuff for a community to use for free you don't want to be talked down to. I'm sure that wasn't your intention but I hope you can understand that it may have come off like that. But as you said, that's my problem, not yours. I guess just take it as a critique of your critiquing style.</p><p> </p><p> I will again apologize for my rant and keep my mouth shut in the future. There are plenty of great render-ers on this board, people I use in my game and people who I don't but I still enjoy seeing what they come up with and you certainly don't need to use any of my mine in your game and you certainly don't need to like me or anything I do. I'm not going to stop doing renders and I hope people that like them let me know and people that have constructive comments give them freely. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TC Dale" data-cite="TC Dale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Getting back to rerenders just about now would be really great. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Agreed!</p>

[dannewman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shipshirt" data-cite="shipshirt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't do women a lot anyway</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Stand up comic confirmed.</p><p> </p><p> Source: Am a stand up comic.</p>

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dannewman" data-cite="dannewman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Stand up comic confirmed.<p> </p><p> Source: Am a stand up comic.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> HA! FTW!</p><p> </p><p> Here's an offering to get back on track:</p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><strong>The Good Ol' Boys</strong></p><p> Wooton Fitzpaine/Thimbleby Langton</p><p> <a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Wooton%20Fitzpaine.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Wooton%20Fitzpaine.jpg</span></a><a href="http://s145.photobucket.com/user/jkeats/media/Thimbleby%20Langton_zpshtfmnra9.jpg.html" rel="external nofollow"><span>http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r219/jkeats/Thimbleby%20Langton_zpshtfmnra9.jpg</span></a></p></div><p></p><p></p>

[Blackman]

I'm not going to repeat myself. Just know that your renders look great, and this is GDS: Afaik there are no smug people here. I'm sorry I came across as one. But your last post comes across as nonsense given that you allegedly read my posts. But as a comedian, I guess blowing up quotes and sidenotes used to be your job so I forgive your rant.

[d12345]

Thanks for the Thimbleby and Wooton. They're dope!

 

Heads up to downloaders that the file name for his first name should be 'Wooton' instead of 'Wooten'

 

Everytime you make renders I have new workers that I consider working with that I wouldn't have otherwise!

[shipshirt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="d12345" data-cite="d12345" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41339" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for the Thimbleby and Wooton. They're dope!<p> </p><p> Heads up to downloaders that the file name for his first name should be 'Wooton' instead of 'Wooten'</p><p> </p><p> Everytime you make renders I have new workers that I consider working with that I wouldn't have otherwise!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh good catch, I'll see if I can change the file name. Photobucket has become such a pain.</p>