The PGHW Thread

May 8, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lr10540" data-cite="lr10540" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Any canon reason why he's never returned full time for 1 company? Pride, Burning or otherwise?</div></blockquote> <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He was one of PGHW's aces until August 2006 when his poor relationship with head booker and rival Nobuatsu Tatsuko caused him to sensationally leave the company, declaring that he would work as a freelance wrestler instead. That brought to an end a hugely successful decade with the company, during which he had won just about every single honour available to him. He spent the next two years working for virtually every other promotion in Japan - including a massively lucrative three month stay with BHOTWG - and was probably the busiest wrestler on the planet during that time. In 2009 he announced his temporary retirement from the sport, as he wanted to try his hand at becoming involved in Japanese politics.</div></blockquote> His career as an politician. He has already won everything that counts in PGHW and most likely will not return while Nobuatsu Tatsuko is there. He seems like a guy that already has the cash he needs and by being selective he most likely makes sure that everytime he agrees on a new short term contract he is guaranteed big matches, big storylines and title shots.

Azul · May 24, 2016

I haven't bought the game yet so I'm not familiar with the effect of star quality on wrestlers so I need some advice with something. I was planning to become the booker of PGHW and create a womans division with a singles and tag title. But seeing thst PGHW has a lot of male wrestlers with high star quality, and for the most part the women in the Cornellverse have fairly low star quality would it make sense for me to add a womans division with a singles and tag title?

thecoolestjedi12 · May 29, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Azul" data-cite="Azul" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I haven't bought the game yet so I'm not familiar with the effect of star quality on wrestlers so I need some advice with something. I was planning to become the booker of PGHW and create a womans division with a singles and tag title. But seeing thst PGHW has a lot of male wrestlers with high star quality, and for the most part the women in the Cornellverse have fairly low star quality would it make sense for me to add a womans division with a singles and tag title?</div></blockquote> It makes sense due to the fact that you are in the same country as 5SSW( the premier Joshi company) and their roster is on PPA deals, so you can do PPA or Touring deals, I for one never set up a Women's Division because the Joshi scene is pretty shallow right now and just using 5SSW doesn't make the pool more diverse in terms of quality of workers. I usually do Women's Divisions for American/ Mexican companies, but anythings possible. With PGHW you don't need a Women's Division, you can certainly add if you want to though, but the list of good, in-ring workers who are available to work in Japan are mostly 5SSW girls. At least you can monitor Yuma & Kozue's marriage

Azul · May 29, 2016

It makes sense due to the fact that you are in the same country as 5SSW( the premier Joshi company) and their roster is on PPA deals, so you can do PPA or Touring deals, I for one never set up a Women's Division because the Joshi scene is pretty shallow right now and just using 5SSW doesn't make the pool more diverse in terms of quality of workers. I usually do Women's Divisions for American/ Mexican companies, but anythings possible. With PGHW you don't need a Women's Division, you can certainly add if you want to though, but the list of good, in-ring workers who are available to work in Japan are mostly 5SSW girls. At least you can monitor Yuma & Kozue's marriage

What is a Joshi company? Is that an all womens company? I still don't have the game yet but I will in about a week and I remember in TEW13 the top tier women from 5SSW gain crazy popularity and have great matches.

I don't mind that the good female workers are from 5SSW. Honestly I think that helps. In TEW13 it seemed to me that 5SSW gave the women a lot of popularity gains.

thecoolestjedi12 · June 3, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Azul" data-cite="Azul" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What is a Joshi company? Is that an all womens company? I still don't have the game yet but I will in about a week and I remember in TEW13 the top tier women from 5SSW gain crazy popularity and have great matches. I don't mind that the good female workers are from 5SSW. Honestly I think that helps. In TEW13 it seemed to me that 5SSW gave the women a lot of popularity gains.</div></blockquote> Yeah a Joshi company is a Japanese all women company and with the tv and ppv range of PGHW, the women will gain even more overness if you choose to pull the trigger on the Women's Division.

Infernalmiko · June 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thecoolestjedi12" data-cite="thecoolestjedi12" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah a Joshi company is a Japanese all women company and with the tv and ppv range of PGHW, the women will gain even more overness if you choose to pull the trigger on the Women's Division.</div></blockquote> Yep. Adding a joshi puroresu division is mostly related to how authentic you want to be. A serious big name company would never do it. On the other hand, the indy sleaze scene will cheerfully mix things up, even to the point of having matches with men against women. Most notably Kenny Omega's match against an 8 year old girl. BHOTWG is suposed to be more American, I wonder if they'd go that far. PGHW just strikes me as the ultimate 'Puroresu is serious business' promotion.

Kingster · June 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Infernalmiko" data-cite="Infernalmiko" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yep. Adding a joshi puroresu division is mostly related to how authentic you want to be. A serious big name company would never do it. </div></blockquote> I'm curious as to why not? Are women's wrestlers not seen as serious athletes in Japan or what's the deal?

Azul · June 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Infernalmiko" data-cite="Infernalmiko" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yep. Adding a joshi puroresu division is mostly related to how authentic you want to be. A serious big name company would never do it. On the other hand, the indy sleaze scene will cheerfully mix things up, even to the point of having matches with men against women. Most notably Kenny Omega's match against an 8 year old girl. BHOTWG is suposed to be more American, I wonder if they'd go that far. PGHW just strikes me as the ultimate 'Puroresu is serious business' promotion.</div></blockquote> I find that weird who cares if a company has both? I agree with you that PGHW seems like a serious puro company, and you think it would be unrealistic for them to have a woman's division? If that is the case then I won't have one. I want my sim to be realistic.

Kitarzu · June 4, 2016

Because historically Japanese wrestling have separated companies for men and women. As Infernalmiko wrote before, only comedy promotion, smaller shows or companies who need to pull publicity stunts like NJPW did with Chyna, pits men against women.

Sometimes happens that regional companies have occasional women match from joshi companies called "offer match". Big national promotions don't feature women's wrestling.

PGHW as stated in its bio, consider himself "Japan's promotion". This involves running a traditional touring schedule and no women's wrestling.

Azul · June 4, 2016

I just started getting into puro wrestling and I have been watching a lot of New Japan and reading about it so I think I understand the basics and how the touring schedules work but I'm not certain of much other than the basics for example a company like PGHW not having a woman's division. Are there any other things that I should know about puro wrestling?

Kitarzu · June 4, 2016

You should check the <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317394" rel="external nofollow">Puroresu thread</a> in The Dog Pound section to have some more informations. It very useful for novices or young lions. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Second, the Japan scene of C-Verse 2016 is heavily influenced by Modern Japan Movement, an alliance that pushes for a regular schedule in Japan, traditionally based on a touring schedule. So only PGHW and BCG, a company formed by an exodus of GCG workers, are the only ones really considered old school regarding their structure.

Azul · June 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So only PGHW and BCG, a company formed by an exodus of GCG workers, are the only ones really considered old school regarding their structure.</div></blockquote> Thanks! Yeah that is what I figured. I'm getting into New Japan and wanted a try at a "real" puro company. I remember reading a page from the puro thread you put a link to but I couldn't find it in the forum. I thought it was in the TEW Discussion part. That was a big help linking me to that thanks <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />.

Kitarzu · June 4, 2016

You are welcome and enjoy puroresu!

Infernalmiko · June 5, 2016

Just to be clear, people can play the game however they want.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

You don't see crossover in traditional companies for a few reasons. Wrestling is run like a sport and traditionally the mens and womens wrestling is kept separate.

And to be honest, traditionalists are often fairly chauvinistic as well. In sumo it's traditional for the governor where the tournament is being held to present the grand prize to the Champion in the ring. But sumo has an iron clad rule against women entering the sumo ring. So when the governor was a woman she was required to present the prize beside the ring. Some people in traditional puroresu have the same silly mindset.

In my mind PGHW is the most traditional promotion in Japan. Your PGHW may be different.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

dalenichol · June 7, 2016

Sorry for constantly bumping threads, but this seems really interesting.

I'm not particularly knowledgeable on either the C-Verse or Puro feds, but I noticed how well PGHW were doing during my first run at a C-Verse game so I'm looking forward to trying them out.

Booking WWE RW games is a giant pain in the arse, where as this looks quite fun. A fantastic roster to work with and some companies to compete with

thecoolestjedi12 · June 16, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dalenichol" data-cite="dalenichol" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry for constantly bumping threads, but this seems really interesting. I'm not particularly knowledgeable on either the C-Verse or Puro feds, but I noticed how well PGHW were doing during my first run at a C-Verse game so I'm looking forward to trying them out. Booking WWE RW games is a giant pain in the arse, where as this looks quite fun. A fantastic roster to work with and some companies to compete with</div></blockquote> If you're looking to pull A*s every night then I suggest also trying out PGHW in the fantastic C-verse 2005 mod(<a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534907" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534907</a>), the satisfaction of killing the Golden Era and being regarded as the greatest promotion on Earth, I recommend it. Then again playing PGHW for me is the most fun I have in the cverse, due to my love for serious puro, but I dip into the Super Junior BHOTWG, and I push the Kobayashi rookie who is nicknamed the Hammer, which is always fun to see little real world hints like that.

Anderz · July 20, 2016

Slight necrobump but I don't apologise.

Started up a game with PGHW and had some questions around the Elite Series (and the Tag equivalent) - basically how do you format it?

I think the natural way would be to have round robin blocks leading to a final as that seems to be the most traditional way to do things. But do you mix it up and go for a single elimination knockout or something crazy like a double elimination?

And what about scheduling? How many events per week (including King's Road) and do you have enough time to get the Elite series run without shifting the PPV dates around?

It's been nearly 11 years since I last played PGHW so I'm out of the loop in general.

July 20, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Anderz" data-cite="Anderz" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Slight necrobump but I don't apologise. Started up a game with PGHW and had some questions around the Elite Series (and the Tag equivalent) - basically how do you format it? I think the natural way would be to have round robin blocks leading to a final as that seems to be the most traditional way to do things. But do you mix it up and go for a single elimination knockout or something crazy like a double elimination? And what about scheduling? How many events per week (including King's Road) and do you have enough time to get the Elite series run without shifting the PPV dates around? It's been nearly 11 years since I last played PGHW so I'm out of the loop in general.</div></blockquote> I usually have two tour events per week with PGHW. I've also tried three, but i'll prefer two because of the intense product. Personally i see the Elite Series as the biggest tournament in wrestling, like K1's Grand Prix. So íI would either have the quarter finals as main events on tour dates or maybe if you have an very stacked roster/trading alliance (send invitations to some legitimate workers in TCW, NOTBPW...) start with an opening round and later quarter finals on tour dates. And then save the semi finals and final for the big show.

Anderz · July 20, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Asaemon" data-cite="Asaemon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I usually have two tour events per week with PGHW. I've also tried three, but i'll prefer two because of the intense product. Personally i see the Elite Series as the biggest tournament in wrestling, like K1's Grand Prix. So íI would either have the quarter finals as main events on tour dates or maybe if you have an very stacked roster/trading alliance (send invitations to some legitimate workers in TCW, NOTBPW...) start with an opening round and later quarter finals on tour dates. And then save the semi finals and final for the big show.</div></blockquote> Is that two included Kings Road? or two events plus TV? So you see the Elite Series as more of a New Japan Cup equivalent than a G1 Climax? (as far as format goes?) You've raised another point I was thinking as well - who do you target for working agreements? TCW and NOTBPW? I've tried SOTBPW but they weren't interested.

July 20, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Anderz" data-cite="Anderz" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41355" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is that two included Kings Road? or two events plus TV? So you see the Elite Series as more of a New Japan Cup equivalent than a G1 Climax? (as far as format goes?) You've raised another point I was thinking as well - who do you target for working agreements? TCW and NOTBPW? I've tried SOTBPW but they weren't interested.</div></blockquote> Here is a <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=527754&page=2" rel="external nofollow">link</a> to how i usually set it up as PGHW. I had the quarter finals on the touring events that were broadcasted on King's Road as highlight packages. I was thinking of having the opening round on the smaller shows and include the quarter finals, semi finals and finals on the Night of Pride, but hesitated because of the wear and tear. Yes i prefer the New Japan Cup/K1 Grand Prix format. I guess that the G1 Glimax format should work as well, but i'm not used to that format. I usually trade with NOTBPW and with TCW, but if they are interested maybe ACPW or 4C. I'll usually try to look for legitimate workers, and go for the ones that have over 50+ in legitimate performance. Workers like The Stones, The Vesseys and some of the legitimate European workers.

Anderz · July 21, 2016

I've decided to shift my big PPV events back to week 4 rather than week 2 of the month; that way I don't have "lame duck" weeks at the end of my tours.

Also, some more discussion and questions.

I'm running two events during the week (free to air on Prime Japan TV) as well as King's Road (Commercial on JSV2) working towards my PPV's. I'm a week in so far and seem to be doing alright booking-wise but am I at risk of burning my roster out on a tour? Is 12/13 shows a month too many at 80% intensity?

Is Simon Flemmingway worth the hassle? He's the only worker to cause any real issues and it's literally every show. Do you find it best to have him drop the International title and then syphon his popularity off before letting him go? Or should I stay the course?

Finally for now, I'm not sure who to have as an opponent for Yoshimi. I think Double K is probably my long term Summer feud but I need someone to hold Yoshimi over for a month or two. I feel like I would be wasting Kwakami at this stage as I know he isn't getting the Glory Crown yet but would it build him up more by losing? I'm not solid enough on my puroresu-ology to know whether the loss would help Kwakami at this point.

Best C-Verse game I've had in a long time and I'm only at the start of it.

July 22, 2016

It might be a risk of wear and tear of your roster, but maybe you could test one month with 12-13 shows and see if it works out.

I usually go for 8-9 shows a month, but i've tested 12-13 shows some months. But this was in the 2013 version.

He might not be, i wouldn't keep Flemmingway if he gave me lots of trouble. He seems often seems to get high potential and the CPU seems to like him, but i think he is too small for a legitimate belt contender so i usually keep him as a middlecarder or below.

If not Kwakami, maybe Kunomasu or Diaz. Or if its possible to sign Buddy Garner.

Anderz · July 22, 2016

I might mix it up month on month; just to see how it actually affects my workers. I'll need 11 shows before the PPV in March in order to fit in the Elite Series but I might lower that in other months.

I'm inclined to keep Kwakami out of the main title picture for now; think I'll give him a good showing in the Elite Series and then keep him bubbling just below the surface - maybe in the tag ranks with Sanda? Then in the second half of the year I can reheat him and push him into a feud with Mushashibo/Kawashima for the Glory Crown. It looks like Kunomasu will be holding me over for January before I can properly kick things off with the Elite Series and beyond.

Flemmingway will get the boot if he doesn't book his ideas up soon; or at the very least opening match fodder.

July 22, 2016

Actually i didn't think that Flemmingway would last this long in PGHW. Not because of his personality, but because of his face painted Zero alter ego. I always did think that he was going to end up in WLW, TCW or something like that.

I think that is something that could work, using Kwakami/Sanda vs Mushashibo/Kawashima and maybe throw in Mushashibos proteges Ugaki/Muruyama too. They could also feud with Kwakami/Sanda while Mushashibo sometimes stays in the background and acts as a supervisor/coach.

Another idea i have for PGHW is <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/cornellverse/column_nextgen.html" rel="external nofollow">The Next Generation</a> (Matsuki, Kawashima, Ugaki, Koiso, Muruyama and Yasuda). They might form a stable and feud with the last of the Fantastic Four/Five and since most have retired Mushashibo now have to find some new proteges for his stable. With such a feud a lot of tag team and six man tag matches can be used.

Anderz · July 22, 2016

At the moment I've got three rough groupings of my main event; one group linked to Mushashibo, one linked to Miwa and one to Kumasaka.

So Kawashima (as Miwa's protege) and Kwakami (as Miwa's former partner) haven't found themselves on opposite sides yet. I imagine that will change once Koiso comes back from injury as there can be tension between Kawashima/Koiso and Kwakami/Sanda with them splintering to form a fourth grouping.

I've not got official stables but it's helping me organise my booking on my tour at the moment.

Long term Kawashima, Kwakami and Ugaki will be my three pillars (still deciding who should be the fourth)...

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