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How do you people usually deal with midcarders surging to Main Event level popularity? Is pushing guys to Main Event status if they're ready always the right call. I currently have 5 guys in my Regional company (ZEN so popularity concentrated in New Zealand) tagged as Main eventers with the appropriate popularity. I also have 2 or 3 guys in the Upper Midcard who are 1 or 2 more great performances away from getting over enough to be upset with the Upper Mid push. My shows are 90 minutes long and having 8 MEs seems like a bit much.

 

In general, which of the following options to respond to ascending midcarders are reasonable and which do you usually do.

  • Push them as their overness dictates. If it seems like there are too many MEs to use them all properly, make the show longer.
  • Figure out at least one who isn't in the long term plan and bury/fire them
  • Tug a couple of them down with a bad loss or two and then try to stabilize them at UM level
  • Let popularity rise but keep their push the same at risk of upsetting them

 

As a corollary to the first one, besides not gaining benefits to storylines or show ratings, is there any downside to having good matches on the Pre-Show? As in, would someone ever get upset from being relegated to Pre-Show matches for too long?

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<p>I always have too many main event talent. I maintain it two ways though</p><p> </p><p>

1) If a contract is coming up in five or six months that main event talent will start to lose feuds. That way his contract is cheaper (I found so far that this still works and typically workers will not request a raise and if they do it is pretty small and fair)</p><p> </p><p>

2) Another way to maintain it is also to rotate your roster. If you have people on your roster that you will not use, let them go. A lot of the time I will build up main event talent and release them. (This sounds stupid but it keeps each game interesting)</p>

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<p>I have to ask what your long term plans/goals for the wrestlers are.</p><p> </p><p>

You say you have 5 main eventers, which is what the company needs. Good, but do you plan on all 5 always being main eventers? Is there 1 that perhaps would benefit from losing a few times and falling to the midcard?</p><p> </p><p>

I've had something similar happen, but I usually decided that I want one of the upper midcards to move up and then I'll choose a main eventer to have drop down.</p><p> </p><p>

Its what WWF and TNA and every other wrestling company does. You don't want extra main eventers so you have to choose who won't be in the main event and then have them lose enough to keep them from forcing their way up the card. or to force them out if they are already there.</p>

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<p>Just because a worker autopushes to main eventer doesn't make them a main eventer, in my mind. If a worker needs to be carried, that's a paper main eventer and they don't get pushed in companies I run. So they wind up losing matches to people who are ACTUAL main eventers and only winning matches against midcarders (NOT upper midcarders. Simply midcarders). Or, if they're particularly entertaining, they'll feature in angles with workers I actually want to push.</p><p> </p><p>

There is no downside (besides cost) to using workers strictly in the preshow. They just want to be used, it doesn't matter how you accomplish that. Even for non-wrestlers with specific roles in their contract ("Strictly as a manager") will not complain about how they're used as long as their PUSH matches their contract. I have a 'strictly as a manager' worker being used as an authority figure, for example. But she's pushed as a manager. I do the same for all of my low card workers (lower midcarder and below), who only work the preshow unless they're in an angle or match with someone higher on the card.</p>

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<p>Well, the real life WWE has found a succesful formula for preventing people from ascending too high into main event status, and has used it succesfully for years: it is called 50/50 booking. Nobody ever really wins, nobody ever truly gets over.</p><p> </p><p>

Should work in TEW, as well.</p>

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<p>There's a such thing of too many main eventers? Well I had no clue of this. That may be why I'm paying all kinds of cash to these clowns huh? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Honestly there is no such thing as too many main eventers in my mind. It's all about booking and how YOU view said wrestler. Greg Black has become one of my most popular workers sitting nicely in the mid 90's pop, but that doesn't mean he's holding my world title or even being placed in important storylines. He is the greatest midcarder in company history is what he is. Will he complain? No he wont, because he's being used and is dominating the midcard. I place Joey Poison over him and his pop is only around the high 70's. Just because the game labels someone as a main eventer doesn't mean that they are such. The placement is in the eye of the booker so to speak.</p><p> </p><p>

Just have fun and book how you want</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DevinTEW13" data-cite="DevinTEW13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41799" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Honestly there is no such thing as too many main eventers in my mind. It's all about booking and how YOU view said wrestler. Greg Black has become one of my most popular workers sitting nicely in the mid 90's pop, but that doesn't mean he's holding my world title or even being placed in important storylines. He is the greatest midcarder in company history is what he is. Will he complain? No he wont, because he's being used and is dominating the midcard. I place Joey Poison over him and his pop is only around the high 70's. Just because the game labels someone as a main eventer doesn't mean that they are such. The placement is in the eye of the booker so to speak.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Isn't this a major flaw in the game though? If a worker such as Greg Black is a main eventer in name only, what's the point in even having pushes assigned at all? An autopush simply makes the top 20% of workers in any company main eventers. This is based purely on popularity and nothing else, which in itself is fine: the most over guys get the biggest push, makes sense.</p><p> </p><p> My issue is that you can have someone assigned as a main eventer, yet have them never do anything other than work the pre-show or against lower midcarders and they don't care! What!? If you're told by your boss that you're one of the top workers in the company but not used as such, you're going to get a bit pissed off. I know I would, but in TEW, the workers don't give a damn as long as they're working. They should really be unhappy if they're not being used as assigned, but they're not.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheChef" data-cite="TheChef" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41799" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Isn't this a major flaw in the game though? If a worker such as Greg Black is a main eventer in name only, what's the point in even having pushes assigned at all? An autopush simply makes the top 20% of workers in any company main eventers. This is based purely on popularity and nothing else, which in itself is fine: the most over guys get the biggest push, makes sense.<p> </p><p> My issue is that you can have someone assigned as a main eventer, yet have them never do anything other than work the pre-show or against lower midcarders and they don't care! What!? If you're told by your boss that you're one of the top workers in the company but not used as such, you're going to get a bit pissed off. I know I would, but in TEW, the workers don't give a damn as long as they're working. They should really be unhappy if they're not being used as assigned, but they're not.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree whole heartedly about this. Now, even though Greg is relegated to midcard god I still throw him a bone every now and again. He's my Mr.Perfect. He's main event material, but is better suited in making sure the midcard is always entertaining. Out of all my main eventers he's the only one I use in this way. It just so happens that he's also the most popular worker on the roster <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DevinTEW13" data-cite="DevinTEW13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41799" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree whole heartedly about this. Now, even though Greg is relegated to midcard god I still throw him a bone every now and again. He's my Mr.Perfect. He's main event material, but is better suited in making sure the midcard is always entertaining. Out of all my main eventers he's the only one I use in this way. It just so happens that he's also the most popular worker on the roster <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's exactly the same for me. I have Greg Black in my game too and he autopushes to main event. I don't think he's a main event talent and don't use him as such, preferring him, like you do, in the mid/upper midcard. Fine. I'm the booker, I can book him however I choose. But, I've told him he's a main eventer, I pay him like a main eventer, yet he doesn't care that he's not really a main eventer.</p>
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  • 1 year later...
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41799" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, the real life WWE has found a succesful formula for preventing people from ascending too high into main event status, and has used it succesfully for years: it is called 50/50 booking. Nobody ever really wins, nobody ever truly gets over.<p> </p><p> Should work in TEW, as well.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So freaking true.</p>
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<p>Most of my games have been regional or lower thus far, so I don't mind having a few extra main eventers when the inevitable talent raid comes along. NOTBPW single-handedly ruined my long-term plans once when they signed all my major main event heels in rapid succession in an AAA game.</p><p> </p><p>

"They signed Nadia Snow. Oh, well, I still have Tracy Brendon and Demelza Wade. ... They signed Tracy. That's not a HUGE loss, after all; I was about to lose her for a few months anyway due to maternity leave. I'll just partner one of the new heel hires I signed with Wade to give her a rub; with her angle skills, she'll get her over in no time. ... Aaaand they just signed Wade, and my remaining main event heels get gassed walking to the ring."</p><p> </p><p>

*what followed was 3 uninterrupted minutes of grumbled profanity*</p>

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<p>As WWF on my 1990 save on the 87 db I have a few Main Eventers. I have a lot of them I want to push so need more to keep them over. I have a few low end main Eventers like Jim Neidhart and Big Boss Man whose job is lose to the Savages and Hogans , lose to the Bret Harts to get them over to Main event but who win against guys below them. </p><p> </p><p>

Anyone else I keep down by losing half of their matches but winning against people a lot lower so they dont gain much. </p><p> </p><p>

HBK is high Upper Midcard and would go Main event easy but I need to keep him down for 3 years. So I've had him job on RAW to Sid, Rick Rude etc </p><p> </p><p>

I have guys fit into roles. If there are too many in one role a guy will switch to a lower role or get released.</p>

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<p>There's only one main event each show, so you only need 2 main eventers.</p><p> </p><p>

Maybe you want to run the occasional main event tag match? You might need 4 main eventers.</p><p> </p><p>

But it'd get boring having the same names on top all the time - let's have 6 main eventers.</p><p> </p><p>

What if they... 8 main eventers.</p><p> </p><p>

And so on.</p><p> </p><p>

It's all in how you use them. Wrestlers know full well that there's only a small handful of guys who're on top at any given time, but so long as they're featured, they're not going to care. Look how often Miz has been the main event on Raw/SD over the last few years, set against how often he's been World/Universal champion in that time (zero, for those not aware). Miz is a main eventer in TEW terms, no question, but he's not pushed as a dominant in-ring performer in the manner of Lesnar, Reigns and so on.</p><p> </p><p>

A person's push in TEW is more about how they're perceived and received by the fans, modified by their fit in the company's product.</p>

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Does anyone how to get my Kofi Kingston up to Man Event from upper-midcard??

 

You can either pair him with an over manager (the Paul Heyman kind) or put him in angles with more over workers. Lots of wins and eventually beating more over guys. There are a lot of ways, but these are just some of the more easy ones.

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uh... See i lost Paul Heyman to WCW.

So will he have to win against them? Oh also is it bad to have him feud with cody rhodes when i'm trying to make them both Main Eventers?

 

Preferably you want the guys you wanna push to be winning feuds, but the occasional program with the main eventer may succeed in raising their overness if it produces good angles and good matches. Make sure to keep their momentum high, it makes gaining overness easier, so to say. You can make them beat those below them on the card to give them lots of wins, place them on feuds where they will win and if they are not quite there yet, give them programs with more over guys. Even if they lose, like i said, it may still get them over. Obviously at some point you will have to pull the trigger and make them beat main eventers to establish them, when they are over enough.

 

I personally wouldn't do a program with 2 stars I'm trying to get over right now, I would recommend putting them in separate feuds that they can win, or learn by working with veterans and such.

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<p>With a smallish roster and numerous guys that could main event, you could run something similar to what AJPW did in the mid-90s. They had Misawa, Kawada, Kobashi, Taue, Akiyama and some solid guys like Ace, Williams, and Hansen. Realistically, they had 3-4 guys who could/should hold the title and main event singles matches. To go with this they also had main event tag teams using the main eventers. If you were to rank the wrestlers 1-8 it looked something like this:</p><p> </p><p>

1/5 (Misawa/Akiyama)</p><p>

2/4 (Kawada/Taue - HOLY DEMON ARMY)</p><p>

3/7 (Kobashi/Ace)</p><p>

6/10 (Williams/Albright)</p><p> </p><p>

So if Misawa was holding the Triple Crown, you still had 2-3 other high end teams that could main event shows against lower teams or each other. They also used 6 mans a lot as well.</p>

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<p>if your national you need a minimum of 5 main eventers as I believe only main eventers count to the star power score so any less and you will lose all the time... also I treat it more as a behind the scene tag, i.e. the fans may not see them as main event but they see that as their level and ask for pay and treatment accordingly - i.e. most won't like losing to lower pushes.</p><p> </p><p>

ultimately its a balancing game really to keep your roster happy whilst maintaining both your company star power, ratings and performance. not to mention your storyline plans etc.</p><p> </p><p>

ultimately main event status for most of this business in RL is based upon popularity. and for this I feel the game does as intended. you can have someone main event in a small promotion but be midcard in a larger one and even an opener in a foreign market where they are unknown</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41799" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>and my remaining main event heels get gassed walking to the ring."<p> </p><p> *what followed was 3 uninterrupted minutes of grumbled profanity*</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What I like to do in this situation is before I consider them true maineventers I put them through pre show boot camp. Every pre show book them with safe athletic midcarders in 14 minute all out pre show matches. Doing this 4 to 5 times a month will get almost anyone in decent enough shape to be carried in a few months.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41799" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What I like to do in this situation is before I consider them true maineventers I put them through pre show boot camp. Every pre show book them with safe athletic midcarders in 14 minute all out pre show matches. Doing this 4 to 5 times a month will get almost anyone in decent enough shape to be carried in a few months.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Will that work for those in Time Decline?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41799" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Will that work for those in Time Decline?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well if they are in decline and not in shape then most likely you need to job them out to younger up and comers. People in decline that can't hold longer match together almost have no use on the regional level except giving the younger generations the rub I'm afraid.</p>
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