Mattywood Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Peter.1986" data-cite="Peter.1986" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What's that with the hogan data?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> His personality and his contract details. ^_^ I was saying justtxyank pretty much nailed Hogan spot on for this time period.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocStevens Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <p>This is incredible work and I can not wait to start playing! You have done such a great job with the stats for all of the workers. The only changes I make are more for my own bias and preference, nothing I can complain about at all. I actually think have of the fun is tweaking workers to be what my clouded memory wants to think they were!! HAHA</p><p> </p><p> Anyway I had a couple of questions just to help me...</p><p> </p><p> Does Potential matter for already established veteran workers? I don't want to bother adjusting potential for established stars if it doesn't matter.</p><p> </p><p> Does the maturity date, retirement date, etc really matter that much either or does random usually do the job?</p><p> </p><p> The broadcasting deal for WCW and WWF that is mentioned as needing to be removed. I assume removing that does not cause any negatives to the 2 promotions, it is just something that must be done because the AI can not handle it? </p><p> </p><p> Has anyone played a long term game (more than a couple of years) to see how the mod plays out? I am guessing it will probably be an excellent long term game but just wanted to know if there is anything I should do with it as the game years advance.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DocStevens" data-cite="DocStevens" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is incredible work and I can not wait to start playing! You have done such a great job with the stats for all of the workers. The only changes I make are more for my own bias and preference, nothing I can complain about at all. I actually think have of the fun is tweaking workers to be what my clouded memory wants to think they were!! HAHA</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah when I play I edit it a little and it's my own data! I overpower guys for personal use. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does Potential matter for already established veteran workers? I don't want to bother adjusting potential for established stars if it doesn't matter.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It can, it depends on their ages. Some beta testers were noticing veteran guys who had clearly peaked at this point getting significantly better so I adjusted it where it was pointed out to prevent that from happening. Jim Neidhart for example was mentioned by two testers as a guy who got super good and super over. Go figure. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does the maturity date, retirement date, etc really matter that much either or does random usually do the job?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You'll notice that I don't put those in for most workers in the data, but for some where it was necessary I did. They do have a big effect. Retirement date won't hurt you much for workers you use, but it will push older guys into retirement around that age if they don't have steady work. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The broadcasting deal for WCW and WWF that is mentioned as needing to be removed. I assume removing that does not cause any negatives to the 2 promotions, it is just something that must be done because the AI can not handle it? </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, the AI doesn't use them at all. They are in the game because if I don't have them in the data and you play as either WWF or WCW, you wouldn't be able to negotiate that contract. IE, WWF couldn't get a deal with NBC to hold SNME in the game world so I give it you to start. However, if you DON'T take it out of the data for the company you aren't using, THAT will have a negative impact on the company. In my testing when that contract term runs out the company gets sued by the broadcaster for failing to fulfill their contract.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Has anyone played a long term game (more than a couple of years) to see how the mod plays out? I am guessing it will probably be an excellent long term game but just wanted to know if there is anything I should do with it as the game years advance.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Two people got at least 5 years worth of sim in and I took it to 96. It should work pretty smoothly. Things I'm still tinkering with are trying to manipulate the data to where more new stars are created in that time span (the AI tends to stagnate) and I've noticed Mexico getting overpowered. I'm also still trying to figure out the right balance for Puerto Rico, but I expect a patch from Adam that will improve that area.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjybates Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Can I just ask how the CEO stuff works? Jim Herd is set as CEO which i assume means i get owner goals from him, but does he still report to Billionaire Ted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="benjybates" data-cite="benjybates" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can I just ask how the CEO stuff works? Jim Herd is set as CEO which i assume means i get owner goals from him, but does he still report to Billionaire Ted?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is the "controversial" part of Rising Storms. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I had debate with The Mod Squad about to handle it and am on uneasy ground right now and may change it for 1.1.</p><p> </p><p> Basically a CEO can be fired, re-sign, etc. He is not the owner, he has been hired to run the company.</p><p> </p><p> In real life, this reflects Jim Herd's role with WCW, followed by names like Bill Watts, Kip Frey, Bill Shaw, Eric Bischoff, etc. In game, WCW is owned by TBS (just like real life) and that is intended to reflect that Herd or whoever is CEO still reports to Ted Turner who is the owner of TBS. However, unless you use him as a user character, Ted Turner is not going to be in the data. He is the unseen force represented by TBS owning WCW as a media group.</p><p> </p><p> So yes, your owner goals will come from Jim Herd which reflects the real life situation you had in WCW. This will seriously complicate your situation in WCW, which it did in real life, because Herd is a bully and a prick and nobody liked him. A perfect reflection of this is that Ric Flair starts the game with WCW but will be incredibly difficult for the user to keep because of his starting morale and Jim Herd being associated with the company.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Yank, you are my hero. I'm looking forward for your mod to eat away all my free time. Let's have a toast to another 2+ year save! (I hope so ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocStevens Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Two people got at least 5 years worth of sim in and I took it to 96. It should work pretty smoothly. Things I'm still tinkering with are trying to manipulate the data to where more new stars are created in that time span (the AI tends to stagnate) and I've noticed Mexico getting overpowered. I'm also still trying to figure out the right balance for Puerto Rico, but I expect a patch from Adam that will improve that area.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When you played did you use a company other than WCW? I am wondering how WCW will turn out without a human to guide them? Was the AI smart enough to be able to turn them into a powerhouse strong enough to challenge WWF or do they get stuck?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter.1986 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DocStevens" data-cite="DocStevens" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When you played did you use a company other than WCW? I am wondering how WCW will turn out without a human to guide them? Was the AI smart enough to be able to turn them into a powerhouse strong enough to challenge WWF or do they get stuck?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When I played the 13version I converted the mod when 2016 came out and played up to 96 (not simming) WCW went in for absolutely everyone. Hulk hogan basically kept me afloat</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjybates Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Oh man. This CEO stuff seems really insane! I'm gonna give it a proper bash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DocStevens" data-cite="DocStevens" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When you played did you use a company other than WCW? I am wondering how WCW will turn out without a human to guide them? Was the AI smart enough to be able to turn them into a powerhouse strong enough to challenge WWF or do they get stuck?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First of all, if you play as WCW or WWF you are going to have an advantage over the AI. Let's get that out of the way. </p><p> </p><p> However, the AI is very aggressive at stealing stars. In the sims I've run the WCW AI tends to steal a LOT of established stars from the WWF. Adam definitely turned the aggression up big time. I've seen WCW buy-out 9-10 companies in 18 months, sign every star that become available, etc. I have had WWF go out of business in sims as well. It will be very hard for WCW to go belly up because they have a lot of money. However, I am tweaking narratives for the next release that will change WCW a little to make it more financially challenging as time goes on.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="benjybates" data-cite="benjybates" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh man. This CEO stuff seems really insane! I'm gonna give it a proper bash</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I definitely want feedback from players on how they feel about the CEO situation. Seriously. If that is a negative for people I'll just swap Herd out for Turner and be done with it. I don't like that because it doesn't emulate reality at all, but oh well. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 If a human player is playing as head booker under Herd, does Herd end up getting replaced pretty easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If a human player is playing as head booker under Herd, does Herd end up getting replaced pretty easily?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't know the answer to that question. I did not personally play a game as WCW long enough to see.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamHead Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If a human player is playing as head booker under Herd, does Herd end up getting replaced pretty easily?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Was just about to ask this. How could one go getting him fired without doing a lot of damage to your own job and company?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JamHead" data-cite="JamHead" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Was just about to ask this. How could one go getting him fired without doing a lot of damage to your own job and company?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's probably a real issue. If WCW had been successful when Dusty was booking for Herd he probably wouldn't have been fired. </p><p> </p><p> I'm thinking if you are successful you are going to deal with Herd the entire time. </p><p> </p><p> Like I said, open to feedback on the matter.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In game, WCW is owned by TBS (just like real life) and that is intended to reflect that Herd or whoever is CEO still reports to Ted Turner who is the owner of TBS. However, unless you use him as a user character, Ted Turner is not going to be in the data. He is the unseen force represented by TBS owning WCW as a media group.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is the exact same approach I took to WCW (after much deliberation) in my own mods. It wasn't an easy choice, but I believe it to ultimately be the most interesting and realistic.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is the exact same approach I took to WCW (after much deliberation) in my own mods. It wasn't an easy choice, but I believe it to ultimately be the most interesting and realistic.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hive five!</p><p> </p><p> I find it more interesting and it is definitely more realistic. Example, when Eric Bischoff became head of production for WCW he didn't even meet with Turner. I can't remember but I think it was Bill Shaw that he met with and told him that if the company wasn't turned around the order from on high was to shut WCW down. WCW had a long line of CEOs come in and out in the 90s before Bischoff became president and they all had power over the finances, overall direction of the company, etc. </p><p> </p><p> Example, it was Bill Shaw that axed Bill Watts. It was Bill Shaw that put in place a 16 man booking team for WCW or some crazy number. Kip Frey that changed contract structures, Bill Busch that cut salaries big time (Bill Watts as well when he was the man in that seat.) </p><p> </p><p> Ideally the CEO position should turnover more frequently but I can't control that. If it ruining games for people though I'll just go ahead and change it.</p><p> </p><p> However, I'm thrilled that the media group owning a company works this time and doesn't stop the user from expanding.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Jim Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <p>Very pleased to see this released, interesting period in wrestling. I'm going with WWF, and think I'm going to have Taker topple Warrior pretty soon and run him through Warrior, Hogan and Savage to cement him as the new force in WWF while I build up Bret to be the underdog face that eventually beats him.</p><p> </p><p> One thing I was wondering was about personalities, a lot of guys seem to have the same slightly odd personality (it's very flaky, for one). Might be worth looking at because I don't think someone like Gerald Brisco should be so unreliable.</p><p> </p><p> Minor gripe with an otherwise great piece of work!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjybates Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's probably a real issue. If WCW had been successful when Dusty was booking for Herd he probably wouldn't have been fired. <p> </p><p> I'm thinking if you are successful you are going to deal with Herd the entire time. </p><p> </p><p> Like I said, open to feedback on the matter.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well there's a dumb way of doing it. If you add an unemployed new player/book unemployed then leave the game. add another player to own WCW then leave that game and add a yourself as a booker.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://i.imgur.com/e53tpIg.png</span></p><p> Just to test it I got Bish as CEO while I book as Sullivan</p><p> </p><p> You'll loose your stats but you'll get a new CEO. EDIT: Just realised you get 25 points to spend. So now I'm going to start again and change management as it actually happened through the years Jim Herd>Bill Watts>Eric Bishoff</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 It's not a problem for me, but I'm just curious, why are previously freeware mods changing to...not freeware? First were the Mod Squad mods, now yours...I'm just curious if anything happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter.1986 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Smasher1311" data-cite="Smasher1311" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not a problem for me, but I'm just curious, why are previously freeware mods changing to...not freeware? First were the Mod Squad mods, now yours...I'm just curious if anything happened.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think it's because someone nearly release a 2013 mod on 2016 without consulting the original mod maker.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> A question. I may have the wrong pic pack, but there no picture on John tenta, animal or hawk. Anyone else having the same or just me?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Smasher1311" data-cite="Smasher1311" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not a problem for me, but I'm just curious, why are previously freeware mods changing to...not freeware? First were the Mod Squad mods, now yours...I'm just curious if anything happened.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really only to prevent a situation where someone released the data under a different name or something like. I can't imagine actually telling someone no to using the data and I think anyone who has asked me in the past will tell you that I'm not a jerk about it. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> nGo is still freeware by the way, it's just the data that I'm trying to protect. I would say no in situations where the data would be competing with someone else as well to avoid any issues. Of course people should feel free to do whatever they want with it for their own use. </p><p> </p><p> Edit: Also, I worked with the Mod Squad and a small portion of the data was influenced by TGA so out of respect to them.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Peter.1986" data-cite="Peter.1986" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A question. I may have the wrong pic pack, but there no picture on John tenta, animal or hawk. Anyone else having the same or just me?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hmmm...that can't be right. Make sure you have nGo up to date, but I don't think I changed anything that would have impacted those three guys. I checked every single worker and alter ego and thought the only one missing was Gary Allen.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter.1986 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Really only to prevent a situation where someone released the data under a different name or something like. I can't imagine actually telling someone no to using the data and I think anyone who has asked me in the past will tell you that I'm not a jerk about it. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> nGo is still freeware by the way, it's just the data that I'm trying to protect. I would say no in situations where the data would be competing with someone else as well to avoid any issues. Of course people should feel free to do whatever they want with it for their own use. </p><p> </p><p> Edit: Also, I worked with the Mod Squad and a small portion of the data was influenced by TGA so out of respect to them.</p><p> </p><p> Hmmm...that can't be right. Make sure you have nGo up to date, but I don't think I changed anything that would have impacted those three guys. I checked every single worker and alter ego and thought the only one missing was Gary Allen.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Deleted it all and reinstalled it's all good</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Speaking of nGo, that reminds me. There is a picture of Road Warrior Animal named simply "Animal" that used to have a "Hawk" counterpart, and Hawk isn't there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Speaking of nGo, that reminds me. There is a picture of Road Warrior Animal named simply "Animal" that used to have a "Hawk" counterpart, and Hawk isn't there anymore.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Interesting catch. I need to find that picture it's a good one.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <p>Fun fact about playing as Ric Flair booking WCW under Jim Herd.</p><p> </p><p> One of my major owner goals were:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41820" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Jim Herd is feeling vindictive. Ric Flair is not allowed to gain any more popularity in the US.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I fell into the floor laughing.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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