Amateur777 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Hmph Apparently I suck at booking WCW. Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair main event, gets a 87 rating, even though every single hype video I did (and I did a lot of them) got a solid 100. Nice. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Well, even though WCW is pop > perf, in-ring performance does play in... And Hogan is not know to be the world's greatest wrestler <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Monk Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Amateur777" data-cite="Amateur777" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Apparently I suck at booking WCW. Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair main event, gets a 87 rating, even though every single hype video I did (and I did a lot of them) got a solid 100. Nice. XD</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My first match gained a 92..... the other were all close to 95-99, I'm still yet to to 100 but I'm thinking Starcade will get me that with a triple threat of Hogan, flair and sting</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Amateur777" data-cite="Amateur777" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Apparently I suck at booking WCW. Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair main event, gets a 87 rating, even though every single hype video I did (and I did a lot of them) got a solid 100. Nice. XD</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well hype videos are only based on overness. Matches are based on skills, overness, and a plethora of other things. 87 is still very good and a match of the year contender though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwhippy Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Also depends when and where you booked the match. If you held off until a big PPV, get them pumped with a pre-show speech and used favourable road agent notes (ie. Open Match, Epic), you'd have a shot at a 100 match with those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henderson Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 <p>My rating also was a B+. I used one of the match notes for epic match or something or other and it still didn't get them an A. Oh well, things I know to do differently the next time!</p><p> </p><p> On that subject, I can't wait til the update for this gets released! I keep checking back here hoping it'll be out. I'm tired of simming to see what the AI does.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 A B+ for a main event on a national level company is an amazing grade. Sometimes I think people are of the belief that if their main event isn't an A or an A* then it was a failure. I have gotten B+ main events and A* show ratings before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A B+ for a main event on a national level company is an amazing grade. Sometimes I think people are of the belief that if their main event isn't an A or an A* then it was a failure. I have gotten B+ main events and A* show ratings before.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree that B+ for a main event at a PPV is more than fine. However, I too would hope for an A match between the two biggest wrestling stars of the century. That said, I think I too got a B+ last I had that match...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwhippy Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I'm a bit anti-Hogan (I can't recall one match of his I've loved) so I'd be happy with a B+ from him, regardless of opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrwhippy" data-cite="mrwhippy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm a bit anti-Hogan (I can't recall one match of his I've loved) so I'd be happy with a B+ from him, regardless of opponent.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I really enjoyed The Rock vs. Hogan. And Hogan vs. Warrior, though I haven't seen the latter for a loooong time. Perhaps it doesn't hold up so well anymore.</p><p> </p><p> The problem with Hogan and Flair's matches, to me, is that both men were pretty damn formulaic. It's the same match, the same moves, the same antics. You could pretty much call every move and when it would happen.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 His work in Japan was solid. Fujinami, Tenryu, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 His work in Japan was solid. Fujinami, Tenryu, etc. Yes... but Bash at The Beach was not held in the Tokyo Dome, was it? In America, his matches were formulaic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 A B+ for a main event on a national level company is an amazing grade. Sometimes I think people are of the belief that if their main event isn't an A or an A* then it was a failure. I have gotten B+ main events and A* show ratings before. This. Very much this. I get that a match grade that's merely "good" can be disappointing when its something of a dream match. I'd probably be the sads if I ran Sting versus Undertaker in their primes and pulled a 77, even though that's not really a terrible grade in the grand scheme of things. A B+ grade is basically like a 4 star match. Those don't happen every day. on every show. Your average WWF/WWE/WCW/ECW PPV headliner wasn't that, let alone the TV show headliners. Yet I think we tend to have that expectation. Scoring an awesome main event to anchor an awesome show is great, but the game becomes awfully easy if that's an every show type of thing. In truth, any main event score that helps you get a show grade that doesn't lose you any popularity is "good enough". A grade that actually grows your popularity, even a smidgeon, is a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henderson Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Hogan versus virtually anyone, I'm ok with a B+ grade. The first ever matchup between Hogan and Flair? I expect at least an A. You guys have to keep in mind that whenever you think of a real life dream matchup, your hype is quite a bit more than "B+." Even if the work in the match isn't considered perfect, most people (other than the huge critics) always look at them through rose colored glasses simply for the aura of it. There are some rare exceptions, such as the match totally stinking up the joint, but for the most part, when it comes to hyped "dream matches" they easily get over. It's easy to say Hogan vs Warrior wasn't that great of a match because we have the simple ability to go back and watch it numerous times and critique it. Put yourself in the place and time when it happened and it was unbelievable. I still think it's a pretty entertaining match. I'm not the biggest Hogan mark, but if you want to see his actual wrestling ability, go check out his work in Japan. He's actually quite solid in the ring and can work as a good technician. He never did it much in the US because that wasn't what his character was based on, nor was it needed. His (I believe) first ever match against Sting on Nitro in 1995 when Hogan "turned to the darkside" was pretty good and he pulled out some technical moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forky Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Hogan versus virtually anyone, I'm ok with a B+ grade. The first ever matchup between Hogan and Flair? I expect at least an A. You guys have to keep in mind that whenever you think of a real life dream matchup, your hype is quite a bit more than "B+." Even if the work in the match isn't considered perfect, most people (other than the huge critics) always look at them through rose colored glasses simply for the aura of it. There are some rare exceptions, such as the match totally stinking up the joint, but for the most part, when it comes to hyped "dream matches" they easily get over. It's easy to say Hogan vs Warrior wasn't that great of a match because we have the simple ability to go back and watch it numerous times and critique it. Put yourself in the place and time when it happened and it was unbelievable. I still think it's a pretty entertaining match. I'm not the biggest Hogan mark, but if you want to see his actual wrestling ability, go check out his work in Japan. He's actually quite solid in the ring and can work as a good technician. He never did it much in the US because that wasn't what his character was based on, nor was it needed. His (I believe) first ever match against Sting on Nitro in 1995 when Hogan "turned to the darkside" was pretty good and he pulled out some technical moves. No, it really wasn't. Much like the Hogan/Andre match, it was all built on hype and that's why people view it as amazing. It had nothing to do with the actual in-ring work, which in both cases was pretty atrocious. This game is built on numbers so the in-ring work has to be taken into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Forky" data-cite="Forky" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No, it really wasn't. Much like the Hogan/Andre match, it was all built on hype and that's why people view it as amazing. It had nothing to do with the actual in-ring work, which in both cases was pretty atrocious. This game is built on numbers so the in-ring work has to be taken into consideration.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The game is built on numbers, but popularity and hype and all of that plays in. Most mods, Hogan vs Warrior will far outgrade what the ring work says it should get.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 <p>I love my ECW save, though I'm losing money <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> Both WWF and WCW has moved their events to a later timeslot, do to low show-grades.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I can't get anyone to use the Epic or Spectacle note well in any mod with Flair in his prime, so if you're getting a B+ while using that, you might try re-running it without that note. Just run it like a 13 match (so Open, Call in the Ring, Slow Build) and see if that fixes it for your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 <p>A little update:</p><p> </p><p> My apologies, but the next release will be further delayed. I am doing a much bigger overhaul of the data than initially planned, based upon feedback both in this thread as well as from other venues.</p><p> </p><p> Rest assured though, that the data quality will be raised considerably as a result.</p><p> </p><p> Sorry!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBKT Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Forky" data-cite="Forky" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No, it really wasn't. Much like the Hogan/Andre match, it was all built on hype and that's why people view it as amazing. It had nothing to do with the actual in-ring work, which in both cases was pretty atrocious. This game is built on numbers so the in-ring work has to be taken into consideration.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> Define "in ring work," please, as I'll take 1980s Hogan whipping the crowd into a frenzy over guys that can do a bunch of moves without any emotion connection to the crowd. Hogan knew how to work a crowd, and the Warrior match wasn't atrocious. I've seen matches that Dave Meltzer gave "five stars" that were atrocious, but that match wasn't atrocious. </p><p> </p><p> On topic, this was one of my favourite mods in TEW13. Looking forward to giving it a go on TEW16 over the next few days.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henderson Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 <p>Forky, I've got to ask...Were you around when the Hogan/Warrior match happened? I'm asking in all seriousness because if you saw it at the time, you bought in hook, line, and sinker.</p><p> </p><p> Like I said, it's easy now to go back and look it over piece by piece and be all critical, but even then it wasn't a bad match. While I appreciate a good technician as much as any, every match doesn't require that, and Hogan's one of the best psychologists to ever be in the ring.</p><p> </p><p> Topic: It's all good, Hive. I'd rather have the data right from the get go rather than have to go back and start a new game again because something was missed.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forky Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TBKT" data-cite="TBKT" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Define "in ring work," please, as I'll take 1980s Hogan whipping the crowd into a frenzy over guys that can do a bunch of moves without any emotion connection to the crowd. Hogan knew how to work a crowd, and the Warrior match wasn't atrocious. I've seen matches that Dave Meltzer gave "five stars" that were atrocious, but that match wasn't atrocious. <p> </p><p> On topic, this was one of my favourite mods in TEW13. Looking forward to giving it a go on TEW16 over the next few days.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In ring work as it pertains to the game. There are other stats that take into account the ability to "Work a crowd" and the hype for the match. That has nothing to do with the actual moves which is what in ring stats for TEW do. The ability to tell a story with emotion is factored into pyschology.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Henderson" data-cite="Henderson" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Forky, I've got to ask...Were you around when the Hogan/Warrior match happened? I'm asking in all seriousness because if you saw it at the time, you bought in hook, line, and sinker.<p> </p><p> Like I said, it's easy now to go back and look it over piece by piece and be all critical, but even then it wasn't a bad match. While I appreciate a good technician as much as any, every match doesn't require that, and Hogan's one of the best psychologists to ever be in the ring.</p><p> </p><p> Topic: It's all good, Hive. I'd rather have the data right from the get go rather than have to go back and start a new game again because something was missed.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was actually. I was a huge Warrior fan at the time. I'm not saying that I didn't buy into the match but once again, you're confusing the game mechanics of "in ring" skills and things like Psychology and Star Quality and entertainment stats. The game doesn't pick one or the other. It's based on an average.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forky Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The game is built on numbers, but popularity and hype and all of that plays in. Most mods, Hogan vs Warrior will far outgrade what the ring work says it should get.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Right, but that's what I was saying. Saying that you expect an A grade for the first Flair vs Hogan match to me means that you're not taking into the fact that the in ring work was mediocre. The hype was pretty good but everything else fell into the formulaic Hogan match. </p><p> </p><p> I think a B+ is pretty damn good when you take everything into account.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Amateur777" data-cite="Amateur777" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Apparently I suck at booking WCW. Hulk Hogan vs Ric Flair main event, gets a 87 rating, even though every single hype video I did (and I did a lot of them) got a solid 100. Nice. XD</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I managed a 90 (A rating) at the first PPV, Bash at the Beach, between them. I'm pretty happy with that, although like you, all their interviews and angles had scored an even 100.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 <p>Still planning a game with the next update, and I think I've figured out the Horsemen.</p><p> </p><p> Ric Flair and Arn Anderson, obviously, but joining them - shocking the world and his father - is Dustin Rhodes. As for the fourth horsemen, I've debated this back and forth, and I've decided to go with a long-term project, not to push him to the main event, but to train him to at least be a decent hand in the midcard, because it's something that easily could have happened in real life based on nepotism and just how bad some iterations were: Erik Watts.</p><p> </p><p> At least there's someone for the faces to beat.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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