benjybates Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 In that case I'll just rattle out a few quickfire things that come to mind - HBK leaves for WCW after failing his drug test in September - The steroid scandal takes a lot more out of Vince than first thought, He'll now have to lose a lot more talent - Ric Flair is suddenly becomes injured as Hogan joins, leaving them to take a chance on booking Stunning Steve Austin against him. Which becomes Austin's true big break - ECW becomes a major cult shock in Mexico due to their inclusion of great lucha and technical matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I actually already have an idea - but I'm open to incorporate good suggestions, if they fit in. It's England, 1994, and The Dynamite Kid's attempt to storm the dressing room and attack The British Bulldog is successful (as opposed to the police stopping him). During his recovery, Davey Boy buys Joint Promotions (now Ring Wrestling Stars) from Max Crabtree and negotiates a TV deal with ITV. In response, Dynamite Kid ploughs some money in to All Star promotions and persuades Brian Dixon to appoint him as Head Booker. All Star get TV with Eurosport for events only. The battle in the UK is on, who will each bring in and who will they work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Would be pretty cool to see an alt 94 where like Dean Malenko won the first Super J Cup over Wild Pegasus. Or Ricky Fuji. He is always acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 It's England, 1994, and The Dynamite Kid's attempt to storm the dressing room and attack The British Bulldog This actually happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 This actually happened? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 This actually happened? It's why they stayed so salty with one another til the day Davey died. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It's why they stayed so salty with one another til the day Davey died. Right? One of the many reasons. Davey stopping Tom use the British Bulldog name wouldn't have helped, no doubt goes all the way back to Davey arriving in Stampede also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulkamaniac85 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 <p>How about this as an idea:</p><p> </p><p> Instead of going to WCW in 1994, Hulk Hogan resigns with WWF in January of 1994 just after finishing his commitments in Japan (January 4 i believe). He's brought in as a surprise entrant in the 1994 Royal Rumble and he wins it, becoming the first 3 time winner, and automatically given a title shot at Wrestlemania X. At the Rumble we also have a change of history, when Yokozuna is buried in the casket by The Undertaker, who becomes the World Champion. Hogan & Taker's wins set up the biggest challenge for the dead man ever at WM X. As WWF the user has to decide whether to get the belt back to Hogan or continue the Undertaker's undefeated streak at this early stage...</p><p> </p><p> In WCW I'm not as familiar with what was going on at this point, but what if Flair & Rude were set to unify the WCW World and WCW International belts at the next Clash or something?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyaji Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I won't reveal much - but I'll say this much: the premise for my alt mod would be based on the above.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I spent like two days of my life trying to revert your '94 mod on 2013 (for personal use of course) to the point just before Hogan joined. I think it would be a fascinating 'what if' scenario. They probably don't reach the highs they did with Hogan but are they better off long-term?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRainMaker Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 One of my favorite mods along with your 95 one can't wait for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbicus Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The easiest alternate mod for 1994: What if Rick Rude was never injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cultstatus Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Darbicus" data-cite="Darbicus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The easiest alternate mod for 1994: What if Rick Rude was never injured.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is what I did in 2013 with Hive's 94 mod. That and Hogan never signing with WCW, I set the date right before his injury in Japan. Turned Rude into a rugged anti-hero babyface against Flair. It was pretty fun.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 A few other ideas for variations on this time period. Not sure all of them would be exactly the right time, but if it's an alternative universe, things don't have to be exactly the same - Art Barr doesn't die, and Los Gringos Locos become a smash international team - The Super Liger costume fits Chris Jericho perfectly, and the New Japan gig becomes his main one - Sid Vicious doesn't have his fight with Arn Anderson, and gets the World title instead of Flair at Starrcade 93... - ...or the fight happens, and Ricky Steamboat gets the push instead! - WCW sign Hogan, but not his clique; No Nasty Boys, no Beefcake, no Duggan, no Avalanche... No roster bloat, talent like Austin doesn't get sidelined or derailed, Hogan's still a star, but not the one that the entire company revolves around - Cactus Jack gets a true main event push against Vader off the back of losing his ear, even winning the WCW title - Marty Jannetty gets clean, and becomes a motivated and reliable worker who can be trusted to perform for more than 1 night - Barry Windham doesn't injure his knee, and remains one of the best wrestlers in the world (Bias? Me?) - Maxx Payne doesn't get saddled with the Man Mountain Rock gimmick when signing with the WWF (how that'd fly in the WWF at its cartooniest point would be interesting!) - Scott Levy doesn't leave for ECW and become Raven, instead becoming a big hit as Johnny Polo - The Quebecers become smash hits as repeat tag champions in WWF - The NWA title screwjob doesn't happen, and ECW/Shane Douglas are the flagship company/figurehead for the alliance - Or the WWF is so badly damaged by the steroid trial that it rolls the dice on rejoining the NWA, potentially triggering an invasion storyline: Revenge of the Territories! - Under no circumstances does Mabel ever get a singles push All of those are fairly small changes, but cumulatively could have a big impact on the 'verse. How about a couple of others that might make a huge difference from the start: - The Bischoff/Turner relationship is changed. Money's still available, but it's spent less freely and with more of a vision of the long-term future. WCW rides its WWF acquisitions for short-term gain, and develops the future main eventers at the same time. - I remember, back when WCW collapsed, an article spitballing the foundation of a new company using the available talent. They recognised the need for a figurehead for fans to rally around, even if they were only a short-term fix to attract interest that'd then spread onto the undercard. Ultimately, it had to be one of two workers who were available, who were nationally recognised, who'd been WWF and WCW champions and who'd been active in wrestling for 15+ years as of 2001: Hogan and Savage. For all the same reasons, the big signing for WCW should be the Macho Man and not Hogan; A better wrestler, nearly as charismatic and just as recognisable (maybe a B+ rather than an A, but still...), Savage would make just as much of an impact as Hogan in jumping to WCW in mid-94, and wouldn't come with all the same backstage issues that Hogan did (well, not all of them, anyway). That's probably enough ideas to be going on with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 How has the myth persisted that Hogan got the Nasty Boys jobs in WCW? You hear it said CONSTANTLY and it isn't true. The Nasty Boys signed with WCW in 1993 and were pushed from day one. They were a major tag team draw for WCW until the nWo came and Jerry Sags got hurt. It's become popular to poop all over the Nasty Boys by fans today and I don't get it. They were over in both WCW and WWF and put on good matches for both companies for a strong 6 year run. Their brawls in WCW were outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz_22 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 How has the myth persisted that Hogan got the Nasty Boys jobs in WCW? You hear it said CONSTANTLY and it isn't true. The Nasty Boys signed with WCW in 1993 and were pushed from day one. They were a major tag team draw for WCW until the nWo came and Jerry Sags got hurt. It's become popular to poop all over the Nasty Boys by fans today and I don't get it. They were over in both WCW and WWF and put on good matches for both companies for a strong 6 year run. Their brawls in WCW were outstanding. Funny you should say that. I was watching Fall Brawl '96 yesterday, in which the Nasty Boys unsuccessfully challenge Harlem Heat for the titles. It was a solid, fifteen or so minute match and got me thinking just how good the Nasty Boys actually were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I was always the whole "job out and fire immediately" type for the Nastys because for the longest time I just didn't like them. But then about a year ago I saw them in BTW, and even way out of their prime, they had the funnest brawl segment of the whole show. It really turned me around on them; sure, they aren't the great technical wizards of wrestling, but if they're on, they are on, and in their element they're incredibly fun to watch. I think most people who continue the Hogan rumors because they do fit in with Brutus as far as Hogan's buddies who always seem to show up when he does, but like you said they were in WCW and winning the Tag belts since 93 (this stint). I would believe that Hogan's signing probably helped to sustain their push into 95 and 96 - at a time when Eric Bischoff has said that he was getting a lot of pressure to stop with all the crazy brawl matches - and then Brian's push through the later years, but to say that they were only there as Hogan lackeys is a huge disservice to them. Now, when they showed up in TNA in 2010, I totally blame Hogan for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkelm44 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 There's always this variation... Bischoff said in his book that he was always afraid Hogan was going to back out at the last second on the New World Order idea, even as far as the day of the event. The backup plan was Sting turning and costing team WCW the match and forming the NWO with Hall and Nash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 Some great ideas thrown around. I can say that a couple of those mentioned are actually cornerstones in my vision. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 <p>I'm looking forward to this one! </p><p> </p><p> WCW and ECW, here I come!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munit Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Man Hogan doesnt job to anyone... does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjybates Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Munit" data-cite="Munit" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Man Hogan doesnt job to anyone... does he?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not even to media news outlets</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 <p>Info on the alt mod:</p><p> </p><p> - It begins in September 1994</p><p> - Hogan did not join WCW</p><p> - Rick Rude's injury was not severe</p><p> </p><p> ..there will, of course, be many other changes as well. Some minor, some big.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Info on the alt mod:<p> </p><p> - It begins in September 1994</p><p> - Hogan did not join WCW</p><p> - Rick Rude's injury was not severe</p><p> </p><p> ..there will, of course, be many other changes as well. Some minor, some big.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Bulldogs go to war?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjybates Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Info on the alt mod:<p> - It begins in September 1994</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As long as its before Art Barr croaks I'm happy.</p><p> </p><p> I take it Hennig is still injured?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TsuMirren" data-cite="TsuMirren" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Bulldogs go to war?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm afraid The British Bulldog will have contractual obligations elsewhere. Sorry!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="benjybates" data-cite="benjybates" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41951" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I take it Hennig is still injured?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He is, yes. But I hear from my little birds that his injury isn't looking quite as bad as initially feared...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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