Spam1985 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I can understand wrestlers' physical performance getting worse as they get older, but should commentators really lose announcing and colour skills so quickly? I had an amazing colour commentator (57 years old or thereabouts) who had 91 "colour" but I had to replace him with a younger guy because his colour skill began to deteriorate so much. This younger guy, 38 years old, had a colour skill of 85, and, I thought would serve me well for many years. I gave him a big money, multi-year contract and soon thereafter, after an initial slight skill gain, he began declining rapidly... His colour skill progress, from Feb 2022 to Feb 2023, looks like this: 86-87-87-87-87-87-86-85-84-83-82-81-80 He is currently losing 1 skill point per month! Surely skills involving commentary should always increase over time? And only decrease when they become significantly old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 That's the relevancy age and it affects all workers. There comes a time in anyone's life when they are no longer effectively able to get things across to people as well as they once could and they end up out of touch. Working consistently help to offset it for a while, but even the greatest can end up unable to be as good as they once were. Just look at older guys in modern times... guys like Flair and Hogan are the best examples as being immensely entertaining in their prime, but as time has gone on they just aren't as good any more. Jerry Lawler would be in a similar position too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spam1985 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 <p>Lawler is an example of someone who has gotten worse at commentary over the years, but I believe that's mostly down to lack of enthusiasm and disinterest rather than his age, also playing face when it didn't really suit him (he is better now he is a heel).</p><p> Commentators are generally older guys and I still feel as though any talking related skills should not deteriorate anywhere near as quickly as they have been in my game. Talking is a learned skill, not a physical attribute.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 The decline is one grade (literally 6 points is one grade) over the course of a year when they are at the point when most people are already retired. That's not a harsh drop. And when you consider how hard it is to get across a message to a crowd that typically skews 18-30 (or younger) then someone who is of an older generation is always going to find it harder to get their message across effectively. The King being better as a heel than a face is also simply his heel/face stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41959" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's the relevancy age and it affects all workers. There comes a time in anyone's life when they are no longer effectively able to get things across to people as well as they once could and they end up out of touch. Working consistently help to offset it for a while, but even the greatest can end up unable to be as good as they once were. Just look at older guys in modern times... guys like Flair and Hogan are the best examples as being immensely entertaining in their prime, but as time has gone on they just aren't as good any more. Jerry Lawler would be in a similar position too.</div></blockquote>As a side question, have you ever seen anyone drop in relevancy first before they drop in physical decline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spam1985 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41959" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The decline is one grade (literally 6 points is one grade) over the course of a year when they are at the point when most people are already retired. That's not a harsh drop. And when you consider how hard it is to get across a message to a crowd that typically skews 18-30 (or younger) then someone who is of an older generation is always going to find it harder to get their message across effectively. The King being better as a heel than a face is also simply his heel/face stats. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You make some good points but I have to disagree. Many of the best talkers in the business are advanced in years (Paul Heyman, Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, Bobby Heenan and many more). Simply being old does not make you worse at talking. You might not be able to hold a conversation with a teen about the latest video games, but you can still do a fantastic job presenting a wrestling show. </p><p> Talking should only really begin to deteriorate when you get significantly old and/or drunk (**cough** Ric Flair **cough**).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 The age at which they start to lose entertainment skills is randomly generated every game unless it's set in the editor before hand. They aren't going to constantly begin deteriorating every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spam1985 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41959" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The age at which they start to lose entertainment skills is randomly generated every game unless it's set in the editor before hand.<p> </p><p> They aren't going to constantly begin deteriorating every game.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I figured as much, but I just feel it's something that could be tweaked, for the sake of realism and convenience. I shouldn't have to keep hiring new colour commentators all the time.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 The lowest age a worker can hit their relevancy cap us 45, the highest is 65, meaning the average is about 55. Some people can stay great for a looooong time, like all the examples you listed. While other people will not. Booker T was a pretty good talker, but has noticeably gotten worse over the years. Most veterans do. And commentators in particular are only good when they can stay in touch with their audiences, which the older generation have already shown themselves to be somewhat behind. It happens whether you agree with it or not, but unless you are hitting the worst luck ever you can easily sign a colour commentator in their under 40 and reasonably expect them to be with you for at least 15 years without issue. You've taken a sample size of one person and are assuming it's going to hurt you waaaaaay more than it ever will. I'd also add that Paul Heyman himself is only 50 too, meaning he's not even at the average for the Relevancy age, and given that he constantly stays up to date on things, he's someone who in real life would stay awesome for a long time. Meanwhile the many industry veterans who don't know a tweet from an instagram would he starting to struggle... and they would likely be nowhere near a TV in real life, since they lack the useful skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP317 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 If the lowest they can hit it is 45 then is there a reason the commentator in the OP that Spam1985 said was 38 is losing stats? Just wondering if there are any other things that effect it that could cause that drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Jerry Lawler just has low babyface performance. He's still a better commentator and overall talker than any single one person on the roster. As a heel and when he's motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spam1985 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41959" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Jerry Lawler just has low babyface performance. He's still a better commentator and overall talker than any single one person on the roster. As a heel and when he's motivated.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We used Jerry Lawler as a real life example of someone who has gotten worse over the years, we are not talking about him in-game.</p><p> </p><p> As it happens, Raven was my high rated colour commentator who started massively dropping off at the age of about 57. I hired the much younger Corey Graves to replace him... offered him a big multi-year contract and at only 38, I thought he would be good for many years, but started dropping off hugely.</p><p> </p><p> I understand that the game is programmed for worker's skills to deteriorate over time, I just feel that things like charisma, mic skills and announcing should deteriorate at a much slower rate, if at all.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liontamer Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 wrong thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 <p>I can understand it happening to color commentators (But like the OP I do not really agree with it) because they tend to have to come across as being more "hip" for lack of a better term. </p><p> </p><p> However, I do not agree with announcers losing stats once they hit a certain age. Mainly because you are just there to get the point of the match across, you do not really have to be a colorful personality and something like calling the match never really goes away. I mean could someone honestly look at Vin Scully in baseball and tell me he has lost a step?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryland Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 However, I do not agree with announcers losing stats once they hit a certain age. Mainly because you are just there to get the point of the match across, you do not really have to be a colorful personality and something like calling the match never really goes away. I mean could someone honestly look at Vin Scully in baseball and tell me he has lost a step? I would argue that there are real world examples that show that it does. Jim Ross got markedly worse and is now a shadow of what he once was. Gordon Solie's last few years calling the action were significantly worse than his prime. Lance Russell too. There's not a huge sample of wrestling announcers who have continued into their late 50s and beyond to work from, but the ones I can think of all showed a significant drop. Of course, this is all opinion and people may think that modern day Jim Ross is as sharp and incisive as he was in his prime, but I certainly think there's a strong case for this feature to be working exactly the way it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spam1985 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Nice to see our World Champion Adam Ryland in this thread. I do agree that Jim Ross isn't as good as as he once was... I just feel like a 38 year old losing -1 per month in colour is rather odd. Since it is Corey Graves I'll just have to say his concussions have given him brain damage lol. Maybe that is just a case of me getting extremely unlucky with the RNG aspect. Still, you're the the Big Bossman, and if you don't feel it it needs tweaking, who am I to argue. We all still love the game and appreciate your work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Spam1985" data-cite="Spam1985" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41959" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nice to see our World Champion Adam Ryland in this thread. I do agree that Jim Ross isn't as good as as he once was... I just feel like a 38 year old losing -1 per month in colour is rather odd. Since it is Corey Graves I'll just have to say his concussions have given him brain damage lol. Maybe that is just a case of me getting extremely unlucky with the RNG aspect.<p> </p><p> Still, you're the the Big Bossman, and if you don't feel it it needs tweaking, who am I to argue. We all still love the game and appreciate your work.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's weird that Corey Graves is losing skills at that age as the lowest age it should be possible is 45... unless he hit his skill cap and was brute forcing past it by being used constantly, in which case he could be dropping to his actual cap. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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