The Brexit vote

[Blackman]

In fact, my intention was to not vote at all because despite an Economics degree I don't consider myself well enough educated but the chance has been afforded to us and Joe Public has become an expert on the matter so I am voting for what I think is best whilst respecting other opinions.

 

It's the fact that few thought the same that made the vote go awry. If they truly are going to go through with this (they don't have too; it's just a poll) it'll be because of *Enzo voice* "a couple 'a haters" that just want the government to fall. Good job. Some of you might have your reasons for voting "leave" and we respect that, but most just want to see the big 1% paychecks take a fall, not realising they might break their leg in the process.

 

This is an age where every jackass can say no matter what, and the public just buys it and doesn't even care. You got Trump in 'murica and the brexit-team here in yurop. It's respectable to say what people think, but let's stay factual please and not just spur random crap. In this case, the British people are just a pawn in a political game, paving the way for a new prime minister. Politicians are probably more occupied with that than with the alarming economical crisis that might be coming up. They're the ones with money. They don't care... much.

 

As mentioned before in this thread, a referendum is a dumbed down concept of democracy and for every educated vote there are several arbitrary votes. One often forgets that they don't even have to vote, which means the most passionate side will probably win, especially when it's raining a little and people don't even bother going outside. I myself would be guilty of this "laziness" if it were raining hard. On top of that: even in regular votings I often hear people say they voted for the "hottest chick" or "I saw him on tv in a pop quiz and he looked decent and was funny".

[evileddie10]

For me personally, the most alarming thing is Farage has already started to back track on things he said in regards to the "350m" for the NHS. The news coming from Scotland and Northern Ireland too makes me uncomfortable. Another thing not to be ignored is how this has affected our credit ratings with S&P. I am hoping that things turn around for the positive, but sadly I don't see it happening.

[mistaken]

Oh... wow. the economy took a huge hit.

 

no the stock market dropped. over the short term that is not the economy.

 

what remains to be seen is how the exit plan is worked out. If Europe cuts it's own throat to spite the brits. if other trade partners like maybe south america come out of the wood works to fill the gaps.

[The_CoC]

To all you Brits and eventually when Trump is elected Americans, you are welcome to stay at my place in Australia.

[mrwhippy]

The FTSE has more or less recovered already. The hedge funds just had a few lost bets to correct. This morning FTSE100 was down 8% but the banks were down 30%, now they've ironed that out it's more or less status quo on that front, higher level now than the majority of the last 3 months in fact.

[Questlove]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="evileddie10" data-cite="evileddie10" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For me personally, the most alarming thing is Farage has already started to back track on things he said in regards to the "350m" for the NHS.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How anybody could possibly be surprised by this is beyond me.</p><p> </p><p> I can't wait to leave this silly little island. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[packerman120]

Not everyday when you get to see another country vote to shank itself in the stomach <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Big Roguey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="packerman120" data-cite="packerman120" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not everyday when you get to see another country vote to shank itself in the stomach <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not so fast America. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MHero" data-cite="MHero" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not so fast America. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> We're gonna make 'Murica great again!</p><p> </p><p> (Maybe Trump will choose Bobby Lashley as his running mate? They were a pretty successful pairing the last time around.)</p>

[mitsukaikira]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="packerman120" data-cite="packerman120" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not everyday when you get to see another country vote to shank itself in the stomach <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're right; it's every 4 years.</p>

[evileddie10]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Questlove" data-cite="Questlove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How anybody could possibly be surprised by this is beyond me.<p> </p><p> I can't wait to leave this silly little island. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Don't get me wrong, I am not surprised, just sad. Leave have already backtracked on the NHS, and immigration. Two of their main issues.</p><p> </p><p> I am hoping to get out of "Little Britain" as soon as possible...</p>

[Peter.1986]

<p>To be honest I hope anyone that wants to be in the EU, leaves and goes to join the EU. </p><p> </p><p>

People think they are more 'educated' to vote than other, which is one of the most ironic things I've ever heard, the vote is all about 'everybody' having an opinion to vote on what is best for them. Just because the 'economy' takes a dip doesn't mean some working class people won't find extra work, or extra jobs. </p><p> </p><p>

The big panic over us leaving, the fear tactics by the remain campaign and everything today is the same as it was yesterday. The pound dropped slightly and went back up slightly. </p><p> </p><p>

Freedom of movement is no good to people that can't afford the bus fair to the job centre who are looking for work, while some car wash down the road is employing Europeans for less than minimum wage. </p><p> </p><p>

The people who want to remain (the large majority) had this idea that they are more educated, and had a better reason to vote, and yet they struggle to realise that everybody's situation is different.</p><p> </p><p>

Now the greatest thing to happen so far is David Cameron and possibly Jeremy Cobyrn stepping down.</p>

[FlameSnoopy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="R0x4ry" data-cite="R0x4ry" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh... wow. the economy took a huge hit.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dude it's been one day <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> And great input btw.</p>

[Self]

<p>My facebook is full of complaining, because most of my friends list is in that 18-24 year old category who seemed to vote based of 'moral' issues. Unity and cooperation seemed like the 'right' thing to do, with no look at what leaving actually meant. They seemed confused about what the EU is. Several thought we were leaving the continent. </p><p> </p><p>

I didn't vote. I'm entirely too uninformed to make a proper decision, and there's never been a vote that has changed my life in any tangible way. If I had, I'd have probably voted remain, because I worry that it's going to cost more to import stuff from European countries. Bought some board games from France the other day. But it's a minor worry about a petty issue.</p><p> </p><p>

I massively respect anyone who took the time to get properly informed, and voted based on how the decision would impact their life.</p>

[Peter.1986]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My facebook is full of complaining, because most of my friends list is in that 18-24 year old category who seemed to vote based of 'moral' issues. Unity and cooperation seemed like the 'right' thing to do, with no look at what leaving actually meant. They seemed confused about what the EU is. Several thought we were leaving the continent. <p> </p><p> I didn't vote. I'm entirely too uninformed to make a proper decision, and there's never been a vote that has changed my life in any tangible way. If I had, I'd have probably voted remain, because I worry that it's going to cost more to import stuff from European countries. Bought some board games from France the other day. But it's a minor worry about a petty issue.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The remain campaign tried to make people think they didn't know enought to vote, hoping it would scare exit voters away from voting. Nobody knows what's going to happen, financial advisors who live across the away do not see what happens in a little village in the north, so they are no better positioned to vote.</p><p> </p><p> The EU had free trade, meaning there was no duty on tax, imports/exports will increase, but the increase in cost means the duty will go to the government, so the government will end up with more tax.</p><p> </p><p> It's only a worry if you work in companies who work directly in import/export, it may make a few things cost more, but in general more money will go to the government who can then use it for many different reasons, which will benefit everyone.</p><p> </p><p> No longer can somebody in the EU take advantage of the free trade we give to the rest of Europe, because it's so easy for people who don't live in the UK to have uk based companies that make them a fortune, and it has next to no benefit to the country</p>

[kn23m]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Peter.1986" data-cite="Peter.1986" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No longer can somebody in the EU take advantage of the free trade we give to the rest of Europe, because it's so easy for people who don't live in the UK to have uk based companies that make them a fortune, and it has next to no benefit to the country</div></blockquote><p> And when your country was taking advantage of other countries for centuries, then it was right? It was right to plunder and suck out resources from all those territories for centuries and now call them third world countries while, in the same time, proudly call yourself the fifth biggest economy in the world?!?</p><p> So now let's instead make Britain great again - let's go killing and plundering half of the world again just like few centuries ago, but this time you won't call it Crusades or colonization but this time you will bring your cool and shiny democratic and liberalism flag to the world just like Americans are doing it for a while now, because all those dumb people around the world really don't know what is best for them without the wisdom of Great Britain and USA!</p><p> </p><p> Maybe Britain could finally take responsibility for all their actions in the past!?! If you weren't so ignorant, then you would realize that all of eastern Europe wouldn't need NOW your dirty money if you wouldn't choose to make a deal with one devil in WW2 to get rid of another to get a freedom ONLY to yourself and leave all of eastern Europe to live by YOUR liberators five year plans that each time were overachieved by quite a margin, but there was nothing to buy in the shops!</p><p> And maybe there wouldn't be such immigration problems if you wouldn't plunder and suck out resources from all those territories for centuries that have made them third world countries now and wouldn't tried to bring your democratic ideals where they don't belong and made so much wars in middle east in the process!?!</p>

[iruleall15]

To all you Brits and eventually when Trump is elected Americans, you are welcome to stay at my place in Australia.

 

Funny to see that foreigners outside the US seem to think Trump is the bad candidate. Which couldnt be further from the truth. Killary Clinton is the biggest threat to ruin this country. Not Trump

[Jaysin]

Funny to see that foreigners outside the US seem to think Trump is the bad candidate. Which couldnt be further from the truth. Killary Clinton is the biggest threat to ruin this country. Not Trump

 

Ah yes, because a fearmongering racist who plays to the lowest common denominator is exactly who we need.

 

 

Clinton and Trump are both terrible candidates.

[moon_lit_tears]

 

Clinton and Trump are both terrible candidates.

This is what I don't get.

 

I admit I hadn't heard of this whole Brexit thing till this thread. I don't care about news too much, so I went and watched Jon Oliver, because hy not?

 

I don't have an opinion either way about whether it's a good idea or not to leave the EU, but it seems the majority thinks it's the best, and to them I say I hope things work out for them.

 

I keep hearing "oh this effects the whole world" Maybe so, but each country has to do what's best for them first.

 

Look at us we have Clinton or Trump....Both suck major balls...Both are horrible people, both will ruin things if they get the chance...

 

It's funny because both in public polls are the most hated candidates this election, yet are the two big choices...I am glad SANDERS hasn't dropped out yet, I know politics are frowned upon on here, ut I have to say to the poeple complaining about the exit of the EU, just look at the choices being made here in the US stop complaining, most countries HATE trump and Clinton yet we don't care it seems.

[OctoberRaven]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Funny to see that foreigners outside the US seem to think Trump is the bad candidate. Which couldnt be further from the truth. Killary Clinton is the biggest threat to ruin this country. Not Trump</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not really. Hilary is stagnation, Trump is a step to North Korean totalitarianism.</p><p> </p><p> Back on topic, UK is going to go straight to shit unless they reverse this. The economy isn't going to get better; it's going to be a depression with global impact. If they don't do a re-vote, they're ****ed, North Ireland will leave, Scotland will leave, Wales will go bankrupt and Britain shortly after.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Alexander Hamilton" data-cite="Alexander Hamilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> An enlightened zeal for the energy and efficiency of government will be stigmatized as the offspring of a temper fond of despotic power and hostile to the principles of liberty... a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote>

[packerman120]

I'll just look back on this thread in a few years, and we'll see what the leavers on here think then.

[Peter.1986]

And when your country was taking advantage of other countries for centuries, then it was right? It was right to plunder and suck out resources from all those territories for centuries and now call them third world countries while, in the same time, proudly call yourself the fifth biggest economy in the world?!?

So now let's instead make Britain great again - let's go killing and plundering half of the world again just like few centuries ago, but this time you won't call it Crusades or colonization but this time you will bring your cool and shiny democratic and liberalism flag to the world just like Americans are doing it for a while now, because all those dumb people around the world really don't know what is best for them without the wisdom of Great Britain and USA!

 

Maybe Britain could finally take responsibility for all their actions in the past!?! If you weren't so ignorant, then you would realize that all of eastern Europe wouldn't need NOW your dirty money if you wouldn't choose to make a deal with one devil in WW2 to get rid of another to get a freedom ONLY to yourself and leave all of eastern Europe to live by YOUR liberators five year plans that each time were overachieved by quite a margin, but there was nothing to buy in the shops!

And maybe there wouldn't be such immigration problems if you wouldn't plunder and suck out resources from all those territories for centuries that have made them third world countries now and wouldn't tried to bring your democratic ideals where they don't belong and made so much wars in middle east in the process!?!

 

we can go back in history, Vikings, Romans, the Ottoman Empire.

 

I don't know what you're after here, maybe you're trying to give me some sort of guilt trip for something I've not had anything to do with.

 

But let's just get one thing straight, if it wasn't for the uk and a few other countries, the world would be run by **** Germany's. So whatever country you're from, next time you want to give English people the guilt trip, Just remember that

[Mootinie]

<p>Yeah, the idea of us taking responsibility for stuff that now-dead people did decades ago is just stupid. They are dead, we are alive. Let's move on.</p><p> </p><p>

Anyway, today it's come out that the Leave campaign don't have a post-Brexit plan. Number 10 doesn't have a post-Brexit plan. Iain Duncan Smith and Nigel Farage have both said that they can't fulfill their campaign promise of giving £350m to the NHS. Nicola Sturgeon is fighting for Scotland to remain in the EU and I don't think they even need to accept the verdict if they don't want it. Labour is falling apart with eight members of the Shadow Cabinet having departed today already. The markets are still falling and we are being condemned the world over for losing them money. The EU want us to start negotiations to leave right now but we have a Prime Minister that won't do it. He's on his bike despite saying on national television that he would stay on if Leave won. Boris Johnson is the favourite to take over but it's expected that Theresa May will challenge him and she's more popular in Westminster. However, she was a Remain campaigner and that muddies the waters on Brexit considerably. </p><p> </p><p>

Please America, for the sake of your countries stability, please don't vote Trump in.</p><p> </p><p>

Correction: nine members of the Shadow Cabinet have departed.</p>

[kn23m]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Peter.1986" data-cite="Peter.1986" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41963" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But let's just get one thing straight, if it wasn't for the uk and a few other countries, the world would be run by **** Germany's. So whatever country you're from, next time you want to give English people the guilt trip, Just remember that</div></blockquote><p> Really?</p><p> My country was occupied during WW2 by Soviet Union, so I really could care less if my world for almost 50 years would have been ruled by Germany or Soviet Union to be honest so what really UK have done for my country, that you asking me to remember it now? Or you are one of those ignorant people in the west who think that Hitler was a much bigger evil, then Stalin was just because he saved your asses from Hitler?</p>

[D-Lyrium]

Guys, guys. Let's stick to what's happening now. Not what happened tens or even hundreds of years ago, yeah?

 

The British have done some pretty terrible things, just like everyone else. You don't get to ignore that because you're British. Likewise, you don't get to blame Random British Guy living in 2016 for them, either.

 

Until now the thread has been surprisingly civil, let's not spoil it.