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Version 1.0 changelog :

Jim Ross now has a contract with WWF

Eric Bischoff is set as the booker of WCW

Jim Herd's contract is deleted from WCW and he is set to outside the buisness

Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson now have a contract with WWF

Beverly Brothers contract's were deleted from WWF

Brian Christopher contract is deleted from WWF

Added Ludvig Borga on a Pay-Per-Appearance with WWF

Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth's relationships set to Divorced

Added Jesse Ventura to WCW on a written contract

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<p>Some notes after a quick look at the data:</p><p>

Men on a Mission needs adjusting</p><p>

Mabel should not be heel and auto push as enhancement</p><p>

Mo needs a WWF contract and a popularity adjustment</p><p>

Oscar is missing</p><p> </p><p>

Tatanka should not be an enhancement talent. He was feuding with and beating Bigalow at the time.</p><p> </p><p>

123 kid was o longer an opener at this time. He had beat Ramon, Martel, and Dibiase already at this point.</p><p> </p><p>

Jim Duggan should not be a main eventer. He was reduce to a feud with Bastion Booger and would leave WWF in mid August.</p><p> </p><p>

Brutus Beefcake's last televised match was Wrestlemania 9, he did wrestle dark matches until the end of July, so he might need to be removed.</p><p> </p><p>

WCW notes:</p><p>

Ric Flair should be a face.</p><p>

Arn Anderson and Paul Roma should be faces.</p><p>

Brian Pillman should have an egomaniac gimmick.</p><p> </p><p>

You might want to create the WCW International Title and change Flair from NWA champ to WCW-I champ since WCW left the NWA in late August. I would also consider removing WCW from the NWA.</p><p> </p><p>

2 Cold Scorpio needs to be added to WCW and should be teaming with Bagwell.</p><p> </p><p>

Bagwell should push higher than an open. He won the tag titles in October.</p><p> </p><p>

Harlem Heat should push to mid card. They were teaming with Sid Vicious and feuding with Bagwell and Scorpio.</p><p> </p><p>

Ice Train is missing.</p><p> </p><p>

Tex Slazenger and Shanghi Pierce are missing.</p><p> </p><p>

The Equalizer/Dave Sullivan is missing.</p><p> </p><p>

Sir William is missing.</p><p> </p><p>

Mark Starr, Charlie Norris, Keith Cole, Kent Cole and Maxx Payne need to be added.</p><p> </p><p>

Just looking it looks like you have a start but might have released it a bit too soon. I hope these notes help. I don't want to sound like I am criticizing you because these mods take a lot of work and I appreciate the your effort.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jgriff3029" data-cite="jgriff3029" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42039" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Some notes after a quick look at the data:<p> Men on a Mission needs adjusting</p><p> Mabel should not be heel and auto push as enhancement</p><p> Mo needs a WWF contract and a popularity adjustment</p><p> Oscar is missing</p><p> </p><p> Tatanka should not be an enhancement talent. He was feuding with and beating Bigalow at the time.</p><p> </p><p> 123 kid was o longer an opener at this time. He had beat Ramon, Martel, and Dibiase already at this point.</p><p> </p><p> Jim Duggan should not be a main eventer. He was reduce to a feud with Bastion Booger and would leave WWF in mid August.</p><p> </p><p> Brutus Beefcake's last televised match was Wrestlemania 9, he did wrestle dark matches until the end of July, so he might need to be removed.</p><p> </p><p> WCW notes:</p><p> Ric Flair should be a face.</p><p> Arn Anderson and Paul Roma should be faces.</p><p> Brian Pillman should have an egomaniac gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> You might want to create the WCW International Title and change Flair from NWA champ to WCW-I champ since WCW left the NWA in late August. I would also consider removing WCW from the NWA.</p><p> </p><p> 2 Cold Scorpio needs to be added to WCW and should be teaming with Bagwell.</p><p> </p><p> Bagwell should push higher than an open. He won the tag titles in October.</p><p> </p><p> Harlem Heat should push to mid card. They were teaming with Sid Vicious and feuding with Bagwell and Scorpio.</p><p> </p><p> Ice Train is missing.</p><p> </p><p> Tex Slazenger and Shanghi Pierce are missing.</p><p> </p><p> The Equalizer/Dave Sullivan is missing.</p><p> </p><p> Sir William is missing.</p><p> </p><p> Mark Starr, Charlie Norris, Keith Cole, Kent Cole and Maxx Payne need to be added.</p><p> </p><p> Just looking it looks like you have a start but might have released it a bit too soon. I hope these notes help. I don't want to sound like I am criticizing you because these mods take a lot of work and I appreciate the your effort.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for listing these...</p><p> I will adjust/Fix those thing for version 1.5 <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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! Main Post updated with version 1.5 !

 

1.5 Version Changelog:

Adjusted Men On A Mission team experience etc.

Mabel is set to babyface and a midcarder push.

Added Mo to a written contract with WWF and adjusted his popularity.

Added Oscar to a Pay-Per-Appearance with WWF and set as manager for Mabel & Mo.

Tatanka's push adjusted to Midcarder.

1-2-3 Kid's push adjusted to Upper Midcarder.

Jim Duggan's push adjusted to Midcarder and his contract is set to expire in 1 month.

Brutus Beefcake's contract removed from WWF.

Ric Flair set as babyface.

Arn Anderson and Paul Roma set as babyfaces.

Brian Pillman's gimmick set to Egomaniac.

WCW International Title created and given to Ric Flair

WCW will withdraw from NWA in Week 1, September (That was in reality)

2 Cold Scorpio added to WCW on a written contract and has a team with Marcus Bagwell.

Bagwell's push adjusted to Upper Midcarder.

Harlem Heat's push adjusted to Midcarder.

Added Ice Train on a written contract with WCW.

Added Tex Slazenger and Shanghi Pierce to a Written contract with WCW.

Added The Equalizer to a written contract with WCW.

Added Sir William to a written contract with WCW and set as manager for Lord Steven Regal.

Added Mark Starr, Charlie Norris, Keith Cole, Kent Cole and Maxx Payne to a Pay-Per-Appereance contract with WCW.

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So I was honestly a bit concerned when this thing went from announced, to being moved foward eight months to being eighty percent done in roughly two days times. I downloaded the mod and honestly I see mostly Justin's mod. It seems like basic things like Bischoff running WCW, Ross in the WWF, guys not having wrestled for the WWF in months still being employed, heel face alignments for the big two being way off by many many months. I would honestly implore you to take a moment away from releasing datas and have a good look at the data.

 

Things like cagematch.net, pro wrestling wiki, wikipedia are all great tools to use as far as finding historic settings. I think this mod needs a lot more love before being released to the public. This game is so massive and to have released even a beta for it within this short amount of time is almost inconceivable. It feels more like you changed whatever things you wanted to change and then instead of researching things like announcers and who was running what promotion and what alignment guys were and if they were employed or not. It seems like you are mostly leaving 99 percent of the research of your mod up to the community.

 

Anyway I hope you continue to mod and please don't take this as an attack but having done several mods and working on several more I can tell you that there is a certain amount of satisfaction in having a complete mod, a well researched mod. This doesn't appear to be any of that.

 

Best of luck in the future and I hope you continue to get better. I know there is a great community of guys here Justin, Hive, Genadi, Burninghamster, Derek B, Matt Shannon, Fleisch, and so many more. I would honestly PM them and if they have time pick their brains on what prep they do to release a mod. Fun time period and the mod has potential but I struggle even seeing this as a beta :)

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I would think 91 to 93 would require more than a few changes with the entire business changing but none the less with a reply like this I have all the faith in the world you will continue to release the highest quality mods. You seem bothered by my constructive criticism so I'll take your advice and stop downloading your mods and I'll cease input on it from here on out. Good luck
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Justin's mod was used for the base, what do you expect a new 1993 mod?

BTW I used cagematch.net wikipedia and etc. to find the roster and i put every single wrestler in there

BUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS MOD THEN DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT!

 

THE POINT IS: Rising Storms is a 1991 mod, I did a couple of things to update it to 1993 year, i always watched WWF and WCW, i don't know the other's rosters too much without researching and i put every worker they listed! :)

And look other's mod makers they make mistakes and they fix them in the next version! :)

P.S That's your opinion and i respect it!

 

Peace :D

 

While I applaud you for the work you've done in such a short time, you really shouldn't be so rude in response to criticism. I checked out the mod, and agree entirely with the points Stennick made.

 

Playing the game, everything does feel a bit rushed. Almost as if you were forcing yourself to get enough done to release in hope of receiving a few compliments as opposed to putting ensuring things are historically correct. Sure, we're talking over twenty years ago, and you've admitted that you haven't got great knowledge outside of the two main USA promotions, so things aren't going to be perfect.

 

If I would give you one bit of advice, it'd be simply to ask people on topics you're a little unsure about prior to releasing it. This would give you a stronger grasp on things you're not so sure on, thus avoiding people posting issues with the mod and you taking said comments to heart.

 

I have fairly strong knowledge of ECW and WWF around this time, so if you need any additional help with those I'd be happy to help. Also with promotions etc that you feel you have very weak knowledge on. I don't mind researching things myself to help you out, as this mod does have potential.

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While I applaud you for the work you've done in such a short time, you really shouldn't be so rude in response to criticism. I checked out the mod, and agree entirely with the points Stennick made.

 

Playing the game, everything does feel a bit rushed. Almost as if you were forcing yourself to get enough done to release in hope of receiving a few compliments as opposed to putting ensuring things are historically correct. Sure, we're talking over twenty years ago, and you've admitted that you haven't got great knowledge outside of the two main USA promotions, so things aren't going to be perfect.

 

If I would give you one bit of advice, it'd be simply to ask people on topics you're a little unsure about prior to releasing it. This would give you a stronger grasp on things you're not so sure on, thus avoiding people posting issues with the mod and you taking said comments to heart.

 

I have fairly strong knowledge of ECW and WWF around this time, so if you need any additional help with those I'd be happy to help. Also with promotions etc that you feel you have very weak knowledge on. I don't mind researching things myself to help you out, as this mod does have potential.

 

Thanks for the comment , i didn't meant to react that way but....

 

If you got time, can you help me with ECW and their roster who isn't on it or who should i improve/remove etc.?

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BestInThaWorld21" data-cite="BestInThaWorld21" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42039" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for the comment , i didn't meant to react that way but.... <p> </p><p> If you got time, can you help me with ECW and their roster who isn't on it or who should i improve/remove etc.?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Can we re-use and post the data? I'd like to download this for personal use and tweak it -- I've been waiting for '93 for a long time. </p><p> </p><p> If I get a working copy I like, I may release it to the board.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42039" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can we re-use and post the data? I'd like to download this for personal use and tweak it -- I've been waiting for '93 for a long time. <p> </p><p> If I get a working copy I like, I may release it to the board.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You can tweak it for your personal use.... <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">BUT DO NOT RELEASE THAT DATA!</span></strong></p><p> (BREAKING FORUM RULES)</p>
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<p>Right, here's what gets me in a nutshell.</p><p> </p><p>

1. You thank The Mod Squad, yet it appears you've not taken the time to look at even The Golden Age as a whole and think "hmmm, that's quite a bit different even just for the UK". </p><p> </p><p>

2. Subsequently, you've done very little UK research...forget Europe for now. I'll not rhyme off the ways to research it or sources, but to not even Google Joint Promotions is mind boggling. </p><p> </p><p>

3. You had Mark Rocco as active and in All Star, yet he retired in 1991. Now, again I won't rhyme off sources etc. But, to have not even Googled the few people in the ASW Roster is, again, mind boggling.</p><p> </p><p>

4. You ran the beta about an hour before releasing. </p><p> </p><p>

I should add that I know the vast majority of Mod players couldn't give a flying rats about the UK and Europe.</p><p> </p><p>

The other problem is that you then share and the next guy releases and so on and so on.</p>

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<p>Well, this escalated quickly. </p><p> </p><p>

Nobody is saying there isn't any appreciation for "updating this mod".... but it is for nothing if you haven't actually updated it properly with due diligence and research and taken pride in your work, and been rude to people giving constructive feedback.</p><p> </p><p>

Getting all hysterical when some very helpful advice, feedback and points of contacts have been given to you, isn't going to endear yourself to people you go to asking for help, and feedback. Yes, it is for nothing if this is how you react to feedback and act like you're being somehow victimised.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wayne28" data-cite="Wayne28" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42039" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Appreciate the effort, but I will wait for Matt's Jan 1993 mod. Dying waiting for it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks, whatever choice you go! <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TsuMirren" data-cite="TsuMirren" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42039" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Right, here's what gets me in a nutshell.<p> </p><p> 1. You thank The Mod Squad, yet it appears you've not taken the time to look at even The Golden Age as a whole and think "hmmm, that's quite a bit different even just for the UK". </p><p> </p><p> 2. Subsequently, you've done very little UK research...forget Europe for now. I'll not rhyme off the ways to research it or sources, but to not even Google Joint Promotions is mind boggling. </p><p> </p><p> 3. You had Mark Rocco as active and in All Star, yet he retired in 1991. Now, again I won't rhyme off sources etc. But, to have not even Googled the few people in the ASW Roster is, again, mind boggling.</p><p> </p><p> 4. You ran the beta about an hour before releasing. </p><p> </p><p> I should add that I know the vast majority of Mod players couldn't give a flying rats about the UK and Europe.</p><p> </p><p> The other problem is that you then share and the next guy releases and so on and so on.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hey, can you help with with the ASW roster (Also with NWA:UK Hammerlock, as on cagematch they show a blank page at their all time roster 1993), i added all the wrestlers now i need the backstage staff as on cagematch.net they don't list them so if you know road agents, referees etc. <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>PM</strong></span></em> me! <strong>(YOU WILL GET A CREDIT)</strong></p>
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<p><strong><em><span style="font-size:14px;">Main Post updated with version 2.0</span></em></strong></p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42039" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><em><strong>Changelog:</strong></em><p><em><strong> UK, Mexico, Europe etc. roster overhaul and updated to 1993.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong> (</strong></em><em><strong><strong>UK: </strong></strong></em><em><strong>ASW, NWA: UK Hammerlock, </strong></em><em><strong><strong>Mexico</strong></strong></em><em><strong>: UWA, CMLL, AA, </strong></em><em><strong><strong>Europe:</strong></strong></em><em><strong> CWA)</strong></em></p><p><em><strong> And other cosmetic stuff.</strong></em></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not a big update, but it will do! <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wayne28" data-cite="Wayne28" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="42039" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Appreciate the effort, but I will wait for Matt's Jan 1993 mod. Dying waiting for it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I know that the guy didn't take this seriously, but was this truly necessary? To tell a mod maker that you'd prefer to wait for another mod, superior or not, rather than play his, could make him uncomfortable and unsure about his abilities, thus messing up with the potential that he can reach. Just my 50 cents. I'll give my input on the mod when I get home, after all, the guy took his time to release this, so it's the least I can do. We should all be thankful for more mod makers popping up, regardless if they're inferior to Matt or justtxyank or anyone else in the eyes of any person in here.</p>
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